So the doctor sent Rasilon and the time lords back, but I think there still here, but only stuck in the past, as by the looks of things,something need to be explained, how does the lady in white get here, if timelocked

This is how I can inmagine things taking place

I think it has definitely been left so they can come back in the future if need be with not too many problems.

I expect things to make sense and be readable in plain English but that doesn't always happen. Pity, it would make life a lot easier.

Any chance you could repost that but make it understandable?

But surely they are finished with... they would have been sent back to the final day of the Time War, just before an earlier version of The Doctor burned them & the Dalek fleet.

I think the signal has bounced back, and they never made it to earth

but they surely wouldnt have introduced that woman if they were gone for good

How come?

Seems straight forward to me...The Doctor cut the link. This caused the Time Lords and Gallifrey to bounce back where/when they came from... back to the final day of the Time War, back to within the Time Lock.

... just in time for an earlier Doctor to cause both them and the Dalek fleet to burn. Which is what we know happened, from mentions in earlier episodes, and is what was prophesied by the Visionary in tonight's episode.

So has Gallifery gone back to the time war or has it managed to break the lock and has gone elsewhere?

The Doctor shot the machine, breaking the link.

With no link, the Time Lords & Gallifrey would have bounced back to the last day of the Time War, & back within the Time Lock.

The Masters a devious and clever little sod, if he's has gone back with them then don't be surprised if both he and them turn up again then sometime.

If the weeping angels have anything to do with the timelords, they have to go back

The two timelords who voted against rasilon, holding there hands over there face

Now back does rasilon deal with them, and create the weeping angels

This is not rocket science, people.

If Moffat, or a future producer, wants to bring them back, they're back.

Until that time, they're "forever" trapped in the time lock, just like Rose was "forever" trapped in the other universe and Donna would die if she ever got a hint of her memories back.

They don't "have" to come back. No character or concept does. Just yesterday people were insisting they had to come back and stay back in order to leave a clean slate for Moffat.

It's TV. There are no "have to's."

Precisely! Add to all of your points of course that there probably will be 14th, 15th, 16th etc. incarnations of the Doctor after all, assuming the show is still pulling in the viewers.

Whats going on with post not showing up

With the Master somehow having become the Lord President

Was it ever specifically said Donna would die if she got any of those lost memories back? I seem to recall lots of mentions of her head exploding, which is exactly what happened last night, and in doing so she killed all around her. But I can't remember what was said in the final episode of the last series.

The The End of Time prt1 the Doctor emotionally tells Wilf she will die if she remembers. But then in prt2 suddenly the Doctor had put a fail safe in her head which to me suggests he lied about her dying because he didn't want her to remember him, so she could lead a normal 'safe' life.

Exactly.

Nothing is conclusive in Doctor Who, it never has been. Back in the old days we used to get The Master cheating death without explanation. These days we get quick one line explanations that refute previously established 'facts'.

It is clear the Time Lords did not die at the end of the story, they were simply locked back into the Time War. But they are Time Lords. These guys sent the four heart beat message back to The Master as a child, they have a prophet at their disposal, so the Time Lords from the past can easily manipulate the future to their advantage again.

All they did was basically what The Doctor has being saying he wouldn't do all along, go back and save them. Now we know why, because Rassillon had corrupted them.

She was a plot device and if you analyse it too much, a plot hole as well!!

I do agree that if SM wants to bring them back he could easily do so.

But I don't see how they are simply "trapped forever in the Time Lock".

They were at the very last day of the Time War (as prophesied by the Visionary), the day that the Doctor (earlier version) was going to come along and burn them, burn Gallifrey, and burn the Daleks.

When the link was broken, they would have bounced back to that point, that final day, just before the Doctor was due to destroy them.

OK, future writers can easily make up some means for another in-the-nick-of-time escape, but I don't think they're trapped forever... it's not Groundhog Day or anything, they're not endlessly reliving the final day or the whole war. They are due to die at the hands of the Doctor, and the Time Lock means they cannot escape that (unless a writer decides otherwise again).