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What Constitutes Uk Urban Music Now?
zanzir
02-01-2010
A couple weeks ago, there was a report on BBC News (I think it was) on artists like N-Dubz, Tinchy and Chipmunk. Innocently enough the Beeb described them as grime, and had a load of "urban industry" types, mainly in London, up in arms at the description.

Not long previously, 1Xtra had a huge showcase of the "hottest" "urban" talent in Sheffield at 1Xtra Live, and added to the above were artists like Sugababes, JLS etc.

This might just be me, but how many of these artists have a specifically "urban" sound? Theyre all on Majors and were instantly teamed up with hit making pop producers, and have done very well for themselves with a certain age bracket, but any number of artists could have performed over the majority of these productions from all sorts of genres.

If we take "urban" to mean specialist within r&b, hip hop, soul etc, traditionally those sounds would be far removed from these pop acts. Also given that a load of management companies and labels are lining up a conveyor belt of kids producing pretty much forgettable pop music for 2010, what is the defining line between the UK urban industry with artists who have a maturity and potential longevity in their careers, and this 10 a penny stuff being churned out?

Or are there examples out there you know of who stand a chance of turning the tide for this year?


twtr urbanelitepr
jkain
03-01-2010
"Urban" these days seems to be anything that appeals to the chav masses and laughable teenage wannabe gansta's.
Smess83
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by zanzir:
“If we take "urban" to mean specialist within r&b, hip hop, soul etc, traditionally those sounds would be far removed from these pop acts. Also given that a load of management companies and labels are lining up a conveyor belt of kids producing pretty much forgettable pop music for 2010, what is the defining line between the UK urban industry with artists who have a maturity and potential longevity in their careers, and this 10 a penny stuff being churned out?
”

Musicians are like artists, they want people to experience their work - the more people the better. That means, to a greater or lesser extent, ensuring that the material is worthy of air play and commercially viable.

As a result, the likes of the people and groups you mentioned have been mainstreamed. Those that haven't, or have not to any extent, lack any chance of potential longevity.

The other issue is the complexity of genres that most people simply cant keep up with. I predict this will only last for another couple of years, as r&b, hip hop, soul becomes a victim of its own success.... a bit like 'grebs' or goth influence back in the mid to 90's, although that was a particularly short phase.
Karl Rove
03-01-2010
Gerbo Neds Atomic Dustbin God Fodler awsome.

But yeah Grime or Brit hop as it's called now like Dizzie Rascale N Dubz and rest are kind of the thing in the UK now.

It has killed of Indie if you ask me.
.Mimi.
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by jkain:
“"Urban" these days seems to be anything that appeals to the chav masses and laughable teenage wannabe gansta's.”

reminds me of my brother.
misslibertine
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by Karl Rove:
“Gerbo Neds Atomic Dustbin God Fodler awsome.

But yeah Grime or Brit hop as it's called now like Dizzie Rascale N Dubz and rest are kind of the thing in the UK now.

It has killed of Indie if you ask me.”

what's happened to indie is no fault of dizzee rascal and the like.

the problem is applying the term "indie" to any band standing around with guitars, eg. kaiser chiefs, scouting for girls, etc.
Karl Rove
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“what's happened to indie is no fault of dizzee rascal and the like.

the problem is applying the term "indie" to any band standing around with guitars, eg. kaiser chiefs, scouting for girls, etc.”

I agree Kaiser Chiefs are not realy indie same with Scouting for girls and Hot Chip and the Klacksons god awful Nu rave.
DaisyBumbleroot
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“
the problem is applying the term "indie" to any band standing around with guitars, eg. kaiser chiefs, scouting for girls, etc.”

rather than the true meaning of indie - which meant a band was signed to an independant label regardless of the type of music. i believe the pet shop boys and the shamen were indie bands.

so like anything, terms and labels evolve and diversify to end up representing something quite different to its original meaning. this doesnt mean that its wrong, its just changed. so yeah - urban music does mean ndubz. personally, i think the term "shite" should replace "urban" but thats my personal opinion.
Chubbler
03-01-2010
The Urban chart seems to class any black or mixed race artist as urban - Whitney Houston, JLS and Alexandra Burke included
Karl Rove
03-01-2010
But As They Say In With New Out With The Old.

Believe me I have seen every music scene come and go but the 90's was the best but it's not going back too as again.
misslibertine
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by Karl Rove:
“But As They Say In With New Out With The Old.

Believe me I have seen every music scene come and go but the 90's was the best but it's not going back too as again.”

the 90s as a whole or a specific music scene?
vanzandtfan
03-01-2010
I think the last few years has seen a big split in Urban music between commercial and underground. Although grime was both innovative and potentially commercial, the potential wasn't realised. Instead many artists (tinchy, dizzee) turning to making openly commercially orientated music. Meanwhile, dubstep and related bass-heavy dance-floor orientated music took over the underground, which was never going to achieve commercial success.

It's a fairly common cycle.
vanzandtfan
03-01-2010
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Karl Rove
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“the 90s as a whole or a specific music scene?”

As a whole but um Shoegazing Neo-Pysche and Brit Pop House Techno chilledout Trip Hop so on.
misslibertine
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by Karl Rove:
“As a whole but um Shoegazing Neo-Pysche and Brit Pop House Techno chilledout Trip Hop so on.”

right, interesting
Karl Rove
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“right, interesting ”

Some good things here and there.
misslibertine
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by Karl Rove:
“Some good things here and there.”

90s genres passed me by at the time, i was only born in 1989.

my older sister sort of schooled me through 90s music so i don't know an awful lot about the genres she held with particular disdain - basically the ones that you mentioned (the less mainstream side of britpop excepted) so it was interesting for me to know other people enjoyed them
OvertheUnder
03-01-2010
Its mainly Dupstep nowadays
misslibertine
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by OvertheUnder:
“Its mainly Dupstep nowadays”

...dubstep?
Karl Rove
04-01-2010
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“90s genres passed me by at the time, i was only born in 1989.

my older sister sort of schooled me through 90s music so i don't know an awful lot about the genres she held with particular disdain - basically the ones that you mentioned (the less mainstream side of britpop excepted) so it was interesting for me to know other people enjoyed them ”

I thought I might share some old skool Trip Hop with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3Vz...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2f4_...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIy9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urysk6JTw5Q&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMA2n...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMA2n...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPUR...eature=related
Tom8592
04-01-2010
You had 'Indie Landfill' back in 06/07 , now youve got 'Urban Landfill' , it'll be gone by 2012 and only a few artists will survive
Mikeandhersonq
04-01-2010
What is Indie? It's shouldn't exist. All indie artists belong to another genre or should start up their own.
Tom8592
04-01-2010
Originally Posted by Mikeandhersonq:
“What is Indie? It's shouldn't exist. All indie artists belong to another genre or should start up their own.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/indiesingles/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/indiealbums/
Mikeandhersonq
04-01-2010
Originally Posted by Tom8592:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/indiesingles/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/indiealbums/”

So Dance/Rock?
misslibertine
05-01-2010
Originally Posted by Mikeandhersonq:
“So Dance/Rock?”

no...
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