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Old 04-01-2010, 22:13
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Is it just me that doesn't quite get it?
I mean, she hasn't really ever shown anything but hate for him at all, even before the whole Danielle plot, and now that he's dead she's playing the doting daughter?
I appreciate this may be deliberate on the part of the writers, but at the moment i'm really just not buying it.

Any thoughts?
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:14
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Is that what it is... grief!?
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:21
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Well. As I have said before. Many people hate their parents. But still after all they have done, it is very difficult to hate them forever, now he is gone, she is admitting that yes, deep down she still did love him. He was her father, he brought her up. Some people wish their parents were dead, and then when it becomes a reality, they feel very sad.

I read this book once, by Fred West's daughter. Now he was a bad man. She still cryed her eyes out when he killed himself. After he had killed her mother, her sister and all those other girls, and abused her since she was a child.

I don't think ronnie is the killer. Even if she is, I think the greif is meant to be real.
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:33
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i was thinking this during tonights episode, i thought ronnie was to obvious to be the killer but ee seem to be pushing her grief way to much atm, she is bordering on becoming obsessed about finding the killer, it could be she is covering her own tracks looking like she is the grieving daughter who is devastated by her fathers death, when infact she killed him in the first place. I don't buy her grief for some reason?? she told jack she wanted him dead, she then told archie she wishes he was dead and then also told archie she will kiss his gravestone when he dies and now she has done a huge u-turn and is devastated about his death, more so than roxy who was a daddy's girl. I think their will be more twists in this storyline yet but i've gone from ruling ronnie out to now thinking she is a possible suspect.
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:34
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I recall her saying she will kiss his gravestone when he is dead after he asked her for a kiss so I don't get why she is suddenly acting like a daddys girl?
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:36
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It seems to me that she is transferring her baby obsession onto discovering her father's killer. That can only be a good thing
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:40
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I don't think so, I couldn't stand her baby obsession.
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:42
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I'm not getting her sudden change of heart and grief either. Is it that realistic to spend so much of your life hating someone who was so evil and behind so much misery in your life, then within a very short space of time say how much you did love that person. I know she had the shock of him say he was sorry for his wrong doings, dying in her arms and then having to sit looking at his corpse, but it isn't true to her past character, especially considering he was responsible only days earlier for her losing the baby she desperately wanted.

I don't believe she is the murderer though, way too obvious.
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Old 04-01-2010, 22:47
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i was thinking this during tonights episode, i thought ronnie was to obvious to be the killer but ee seem to be pushing her grief way to much atm, she is bordering on becoming obsessed about finding the killer, it could be she is covering her own tracks looking like she is the grieving daughter who is devastated by her fathers death, when infact she killed him in the first place. I don't buy her grief for some reason?? she told jack she wanted him dead, she then told archie she wishes he was dead and then also told archie she will kiss his gravestone when he dies and now she has done a huge u-turn and is devastated about his death, more so than roxy who was a daddy's girl. I think their will be more twists in this storyline yet but i've gone from ruling ronnie out to now thinking she is a possible suspect.
Well I have to agree. Sometimes I just dont get it, Ronnie gets no airtime for a week, the last time we saw her was a week ago, then its as if we have missed a few episodes, last we saw her she was full of grief crying histerically etc, now she has gone hard and cold again - which we know is Ronnies personality but I think we didnt get the chance to see her grieve. Maybe this is there was of portraying grief by see her being cold and calculated but one episode she is crying in dismay the next she is a hard calculating bitch! Dont get me wrong I am a Ronnie fan big time but dont understand where the EE writers are taking her. It would make more sense if she were crying uncontrolably like before. It does make me wonder is she covering something? After tonights episode I am not so sure she is not the killer! I hope she isnt as dont want to see her have to leave the series as love her so much but maybe its just the twist the EE writers want us to see??
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Old 04-01-2010, 23:12
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i actually think that her grief is real, i think wanting someone dead and them actually being dead are two different things. Anyway if she doesn't obsess about inding her dads killer then what else is she going to do? she has to use the time she usually spent fighting with archie somewhere else.
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Old 04-01-2010, 23:23
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People are right when theyve said that wanting someone dead and them being dead are very different and although families fall out its still deeply upsetting when they die.

But in Ronnie and Archie's case we were lead to believe that they genuinely hated each other which i why i dont get her grief. He was vile towards Ronnie her entire life and is responsible for her losing not 1 but both of her children. I would of preferred it if she had been glad he was dead and did kiss his gravestone as it would of been more fitting and believable due to what hes done to her.
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Old 04-01-2010, 23:35
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People are right when theyve said that wanting someone dead and them being dead are very different and although families fall out its still deeply upsetting when they die.

But in Ronnie and Archie's case we were lead to believe that they genuinely hated each other which i why i dont get her grief. He was vile towards Ronnie her entire life and is responsible for her losing not 1 but both of her children. I would of preferred it if she had been glad he was dead and did kiss his gravestone as it would of been more fitting and believable due to what hes done to her.
Well it's not really his fault Danielle died. She was ran over by Janine. It's his fault in a non direct way.

Even if she did kill him, I prefer it that she does feel sorry that he's dead. Becuase it is realistic. She'll soon realise it's for the best. Anyone who is not a sociopath will probably feel greif if their parent died, no matter how cruel they were.

Peggy's husband Archie's brother made her life hell and her kid's lives hell. But it's clear that she still loved him. They all did.
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Old 04-01-2010, 23:40
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People are right when theyve said that wanting someone dead and them being dead are very different and although families fall out its still deeply upsetting when they die.

But in Ronnie and Archie's case we were lead to believe that they genuinely hated each other which i why i dont get her grief. He was vile towards Ronnie her entire life and is responsible for her losing not 1 but both of her children. I would of preferred it if she had been glad he was dead and did kiss his gravestone as it would of been more fitting and believable due to what hes done to her.
He was not vile to her her entire life at all. He never abused her, or beat her up. He caused her a lot of pain, yes. But he didn't hate her.

Just like Roxy said, Dad loved Ronnie, and Ronnie loved dad, that's it.
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Old 05-01-2010, 00:17
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Archie was a horrible, manipulative man, without a doubt, but I wouldn't blame him solely for Danielle's death. Ronnie treated her pretty badly and was quite harsh with her I felt, after all, it doesn't cost anything to be nice. I personally can't stand Ronnie, and I think the apple didn't fall from the tree in some aspects. She could be pretty ruthless and manipulative as well, wonder where she could have gotten that from??

The grief thing is poorly done imo, OTT to say the least! Sometimes I think she is the one with bipolar disorder, not Stacey!

All in all, she is one miserable cow and I wish they would just get rid of her and her sour, sulky face!
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Old 05-01-2010, 05:40
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He was not vile to her her entire life at all. He never abused her, or beat her up. He caused her a lot of pain, yes. But he didn't hate her.

Just like Roxy said, Dad loved Ronnie, and Ronnie loved dad, that's it.
That was the Archie before christmas :s Now he is supposedly a rapist and quite a few hints last week suggested he may have hit her.

I don't think Ronnie suddenly has this #love# for daddy. There is a fine line between love and hate. Her father died after she wished him dead, and he died in her arms. It's not surprising she is grieving; but it is probably more for the chance to have a rael father lost, who loved her. Plus, isn't she a suspect in the murder? Finding the killer gets off the hook. If I had a chance at going to jail for a murder (most likely she didn't do), I'd be out there obsessing and finding the killer too. I still think Jack is getting increasingly suspicious.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:10
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No I don't find it surprising that she is grieving. As many people in here have said wishing someone dead and that someone actually beeing dead are two different things. Ronnie and Archie's relationship was very complex. Yes she hated him and he acted like he did but she was also his golden girl ( we saw that during the wedding episode).
Ronnie also deep down wanted to be loved and protected by her father. She acts all tough on the outside but she is damaged and vulnerable deep down.
They had the moment before Archie's death when he told her about his father which gives her some insights as to one of the reasons why Archie was the way he was.
He also apologised to her before he died, died in her arms.

She is a suspect too so no wonder she would want to find out who killed her father. And she also needs to find some closure.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:16
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I understand the transfer of moods - she's grieving because he's dead, and she's grieving for the death of father/daughter relationship that they could have had but didn't.

I still want to slap her with a wet fish, though.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:24
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No I don't find it that strange, afterall much as some of us fight it, our parents have a mystical hold over us, the power to affect our thoughts and emotions the way only they can. It's a bond that often changes over time but doesn't ever diminish, even if they're half a world away... or in another world entirely. It's a power we never fully understand.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:25
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No I don't find it surprising that she is grieving. As many people in here have said wishing someone dead and that someone actually beeing dead are two different things. Ronnie and Archie's relationship was very complex. Yes she hated him and he acted like he did but she was also his golden girl ( we saw that during the wedding episode).
Ronnie also deep down wanted to be loved and protected by her father. She acts all tough on the outside but she is damaged and vulnerable deep down.
They had the moment before Archie's death when he told her about his father which gives her some insights as to one of the reasons why Archie was the way he was.
He also apologised to her before he died, died in her arms.

She is a suspect too so no wonder she would want to find out who killed her father. And she also needs to find some closure.
the reason she is damaged and vulnerable is mainly because of archie, i don't think she was necessarliy his golden girl either

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for me archie wanted to make amends for what he did regarding danielle, he is all about control he has that over roxy and the time of the wedding over phil and peggy, ronnie was and is the only person he couldn't get under control the minute he managed to worm his way back into her life he was determined to keep her their, even considered killing his own grandchild to do that, he is mainly the reason ronnie never got a chance of a life with danielle and then pushed her into the bar and caused her to lose another child. Ronnie hated him i don't believe deep down that she loved him, i think she is keeping herself out of the focus by 'grieving' for him, the police believe she is devastated by his death and so do her family meaning she isn't a suspect in their eyes, the only person who looks suspicious of the way she is behaving is Jack.
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Old 05-01-2010, 14:23
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One of the most unintentionally funny scenes over the Xmas episodes was Ronnie crying out "Daddy..." and looking all forlorn and grief stricken as Archie's body was put into the ambulance- I spat out my coke - she hated him, ok, maybe deep down she probably loved him but it was so out of character and just seemed "wrong" and ruined what was potentially a very powerful scene - would've been better had she said nowt.
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Old 05-01-2010, 14:46
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the reason she is damaged and vulnerable is mainly because of archie, i don't think she was necessarliy his golden girl either

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for me archie wanted to make amends for what he did regarding danielle, he is all about control he has that over roxy and the time of the wedding over phil and peggy, ronnie was and is the only person he couldn't get under control the minute he managed to worm his way back into her life he was determined to keep her their, even considered killing his own grandchild to do that, he is mainly the reason ronnie never got a chance of a life with danielle and then pushed her into the bar and caused her to lose another child. Ronnie hated him i don't believe deep down that she loved him, i think she is keeping herself out of the focus by 'grieving' for him, the police believe she is devastated by his death and so do her family meaning she isn't a suspect in their eyes, the only person who looks suspicious of the way she is behaving is Jack.
Where has it been confirmed Roxy receives his estate? As far as I was asware someone surprising received it and that excludes Roxy as she would be the no1 expected to receive it :S
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Old 05-01-2010, 19:10
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Where has it been confirmed Roxy receives his estate? As far as I was asware someone surprising received it and that excludes Roxy as she would be the no1 expected to receive it :S
I didnt hear this either the spoiler I heard was
That in the will £100,000 or something like that was left to Roxys baby Amy and to Ronnies first surviving child. Which I think is the dig to Ronnie that everyone is saying. It doesnt release who is left with the bulk of the estate yet - unless someone knows something I dont? Please spill if you do

I wonder how Ronnie will react tonight - mad or crying - who knows seems to be dependant on whoever is the writer!
I still love Ronnie though, Roxy seems to be the only person that Ronnie feels she can confide in - she even found it hard to confide in Jack about the nightmares. So why doesnt Roxy just break her down and they grieve together?
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Old 05-01-2010, 23:05
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Where has it been confirmed Roxy receives his estate? As far as I was asware someone surprising received it and that excludes Roxy as she would be the no1 expected to receive it :S
it's posted on the thread about archie's will, i think ronnie would be the number 1 suspect, i didn't think roxy would get his entire estate i thought he would leave it to ronnie as she was supposed to be his favoured daughter and roxy was just their to amuse him when he couldn't get ronnie onside, clearly shows he thought more about roxy than people thought.
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Old 05-01-2010, 23:14
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it's posted on the thread about archie's will, i think ronnie would be the number 1 suspect, i didn't think roxy would get his entire estate i thought he would leave it to ronnie as she was supposed to be his favoured daughter and roxy was just their to amuse him when he couldn't get ronnie onside, clearly shows he thought more about roxy than people thought.
http://www.locatetv.com/tv/eastenders/6587892

Gosh it looks like Roxy does actually get the estate!!
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Old 05-01-2010, 23:19
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it's posted on the thread about archie's will, i think ronnie would be the number 1 suspect, i didn't think roxy would get his entire estate i thought he would leave it to ronnie as she was supposed to be his favoured daughter and roxy was just their to amuse him when he couldn't get ronnie onside, clearly shows he thought more about roxy than people thought.
The average viewer thinks he "hates" Ronnie. It's only us who overanalyse who think otherwise. To most viewers, Roxy was the favoured daddy girl, who still supported him till the end. So it would be expected she got it. Why would Peggy, Ronnie or anybody be "shocked" that Roxy (his daughter) got his whole estate? Where's the drama in that? She has no business sense whatsoever and as such, her running the Vic will be dull. Which annoys me, as it does seem that maybe Ronnie is leaving after all. Glenda or Ronnie are more obvious landladies, and the likes of Janine or Glenda more shock values. Plus, it still leaves me confused as to where that leaves Ronnie. She is an affirmed business lady and they wrote it that she lost all her money. The obvious was to give her something in the will, even if it was the car lot firm. Ronnie is too intelligent to be just a bar lady and Roxy not intelligent enough to run a business. ie. why not leave it to them both if he left it to Roxy. I guess the idea is that it will remind Ronnie of evil daddy and put her back into hating mode. I guess maybe Jack could give Ronnie half the club back. Maybe they envisage them back as partners :s Just doesn't make sense. Or Ronnie is the killer.

I think part of her coldness to Jack may be that now she has gotten over the shock, she is maybe suspicious of him being the killer.
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