Whilst I don't have a problem with the girls being fired (their product was poor!) Trump's summing up was abysmal. Of course they're going to turn on each other!Considering he fired Michael last week for 'not having a competititive edge' I don't know how he can expect me to take him seriously.

As for having a Trump perfume, words fail me!

I didn't like the way Trump and Ivanka manipulated Ally and her friend (I forget her name) to turn on each other in the boardroom by claiming they weren't being competitive enough or showing enough conviction when arguing their case but then sacked them for being disloyal!

The girls were screwed either way.

I have no idea how Lenny has made the final. He's totally talentless. He's just blagged his way through.

and the task winners got a meal with ivanka and don jnr to find out more about mr trump
i would like to see more tasks like the ones we have here such as the interview task and making things and selling them,i think sir alan/lord alan would have split the ladies and the men up had there been the same teams at the end.
i like lee but still thing s its unfair that he got a two task exculsion due to jewish hoildays but i guess thats the way the cookie crumbles!
lee is stronger than sean sean is using smarm and english accent to charm his way through and i think hes been lucky to get as far as he did,credit where credits due though they did well on the last task!
i cant believe we are so far behind this is the 2006 series roll on the next one

Yes, it was a lame decision. I am disappointed with this series and Trump's decision making. If there is a pattern or theme running through it, I would say that to an extent, it has been rather lenient on the men and far harsher towards the women. Admittedly, the task was a clear win for the men, but getting rid of both women? Nah, not justified. Those two men in the final? Lee? No, not justified. He got a pass ages ago.

I am agreeing with you again re Trump preferable, more personable and likable than Sugar, and I do - or rather did - like the USA series a lot more than our UK comic-character contenders and curmudgeonly Sugar making dodgy decisions and recruiting dodgy people, like his last two, but I am mighty disappointed with this US series and am beginning to wonder now if my preference still holds as between the two series. Perhaps I will end up disliking both equally.

Trump is more interesting in what he reveals and has to say about himself and what he thinks business is like and what it is about and he has a great respect for IQ intelligence and academic education, unlike ol' curmudgeon who always retains a whiff of the barrow boy. Still has a sharp mind, instinctive intelligence, perception and judgement, though. It's just a pity about the prejudices and the willingness to overlook dodgy and unethical practices, such as the apprentice who lied on the CV and the one who fed them disgusting food but made the most profit - a shark if ever there was one but you could tell that she would appeal to curmudgeon.

Curmudgeon of course also made money from property. That's where a lot of his fortune came from.

I have had that sense for a long time during this series. What does a man have to do to get fired? Several of them were given a long rope - Lee, Tarek, Lenny, Brent - but it seems he couldn't wait to get rid of the women. So many of the episodes turned out to be predictable - you could just feel that a woman was going to go.

And the more he does, the more we see how obnoxious he is. What a bad attitude he has.

Is there anyone left on TV these days who doesn't have fluorescent teeth?

Her name's Roxanne. I completely agree DT contradicts himself constantly. I think he knows who he wants and so fires people for inconsequential reasons, as opposed to the candidate he actually believes performed the worst in the task. The girls had no chance, there was nobody else to fire so he gave them enough rope and sat back and watched them hang themselves (and eachother!).



He hasn't . It's Slippery Lee & Smarmy Sean. Terrible final IMHO

Probably why they switched the celebrity version along with the low ratings

Indeed he dodged the issue of deciding and just got rid of both. It should have been perfectly possible to decide who had the better record or who had most ability or most potential and split them on that.

I have an overwhelming feeling that either he's thrown out the good winning candidate somewhere along the way or they didn't have one in the first place. Not sure who it was if they have gone? The winners of series one to three were all far better and had better records by this stage and the last series had a winner who looked much better and a runner up who was much better. Perhaps thats why the show goes where it does after this series?

The last task was also a bit wrongheaded. The staff was never going to wear anything modern or stylish so not changing much was always going to be the answer and both teams not changing much would have been a toss of the coin finish. Reading it as an exercise in designing something new and striking was fatal but do you want to reward keeping it simple and familiar?

I don't look at it like that. To me, it was about rewarding the team that was able to identify what the market wanted, and then giving it to them. The task was really about asking the right questions to the right people, getting the right information out of them and implementing it.

Gold Rush won the task when talking to the focus groups, because they did it in a much better way than Synergy. Lee and Sean were very open about it and just asked straight out what the staff wanted. Allie and Roxanne, on the other hand, seemed to have their own ideas beforehand and instead asked the focus groups what they thought about those specific ideas. It seemed to me that they had already decided to change the uniform completely before meeting with the employees. That was a big mistake, and led them to not obtain the information they needed. (Not to mention their design sucked immensely)

Really enjoyed the show last night and to see the 3 girls go was great. They just got on your nerves has soon as they opened their mouth's.

Last series i called Donal a winner from early on and this year i called Sean the winner. He seems on a different level to the others and has common sense which so many lack. I was so glad they did not lose the X Box task due to a 3rd party that let them down badly.

Anyway on to the final if Sean does not win i would call it a big shock.

Totally agree - Trump sacked all the best people too early for poor reasons.

It says a lot about the last four that I actually wanted Sean to win. Allie and her sidekick mini Allie were dreadful - I almost cheered when they went.

The final task should be fun - but its no contest for me. Lee should have been sacked weeks ago.

True, but what I meant was that if they both had started from the point that not much should change and you should incorporate staff suggestions they would both have ended up with something very similar - which wins will be a toss up. Even worse it will depend on who you talk too - if you talk to a few chefs who wants a bigger hat and all their mates actually want a small one, your goose is cooked.

I agree Allie and Roxanne ended up offering the wrong thing to the wrong market and not letting the voters say what they really wanted - though its questionable if the staff's language skills helped.

What do you mean, passive towards the other?

I seemed to be the other way round to me. I do think in general the calibre of candidates has not been a good as previous years.

I felt that too. She seemed to suck up to Allie and acted like her lapdog. It's a shame that Allie behaved the way she did as she could've been a good winner. She was the architect of her own downfall IMO. Roxanne was never a serious contender, she's one of those candidates that fly under the radar until all of the more outspoken people have been fired. The same applies to Lee, I feel.

What a truly terrible final two. I don't think either of them deserve a job of that status.

I think Sean has been far the best all the way through. I am sure he was a nailed on winner from very early on. Allie was just plain horrible she was underhanded and two faced. Its great that a brit goes to America and shows them how it is done.

Just watched this weeks shows. Not really got much to add to what others have said.

I think the right people went, in the right order. Dissapointed in Allie. She was a fav of mine in the beginning, but has been dreadful the last few shows.

As much as I dislike them, it was good to see how well Sean and Lee worked as a team.

Did anyone see the look on Lee's face during the reward dinner when Ivanka (sp?) said that (paraphrasing here) her Dad liked people with substance behind them, who could back up their words and weren't just saying what they thought DT wanted to hear? From that moment on, he looked really uncomfotrbale. I think he suddenly realised that he might be in a spot of trouble should he reach the final.

It seemed to me a lot of the good stuff was coming from Lee, not Sean. He seemed to be the one who pushed most of the work to the outside staff, for example, and he understood before Sean that the hotel staff were more important than the hotel bosses.


I felt they deserved to lose. I know in real life we sometimes have soft deadlines which can be pushed back a bit if things slip, and more often we can pick the deadline to allow for the amount of work that needs to be done. However, sometimes hard, forced deadlines happen too, and the boys team missed this one.

I thought they mismanaged the outside staff. It was unrealistic to expect them to be installing stuff at midnight. And at the end they mismanaged time. They'd been told the roof would take 30 minutes to put up, and the walls had to be put up after the roof and would take more time, so it was utterly stupid to wait until 25 minutes before the deadline to give up on the roof.

At least the girl's team got something done. It wasn't great, but that's because 2 of them were sitting back and letting the leader hang. That was quite nasty. I don't think I'd hire either of them after that. Not that Tammy was particularly good, but she didn't stand much chance alone. I doubt Sir Alan would have fired her then.

I still like Roxanne but I agree she can be too passive. She had a lot of good comments to camera on the second task, but we didn't see her saying them to Ally. She had done very well earlier in the show, though, eg as leader on the boat task, or back in task 2. She's probably got the most potential of the final 4, when she gets a bit more confidence in herself.

Ally had a lot of energy when selling, but seemed poor at most other stuff. She did very badly when she let the leaflet task, even though that was a sales task: she didn't appreciate the importance of an early start, she couldn't sell head to head against the other team, she made the huge mistake of switching to another location downstream of the other team, and she didn't think of doing bulk sales. Plus she's quite devious. Eg saying she was mediator between Tammy and Roxanne - not true as far as I can see, and really siding with Tammy (now she was gone) in implying Roxanne had been difficult and needed mediation. Her "blood on the walls" speech was chilling and vindictive.

It's hard to say where this series went wrong. Trump's decision making was as poor as ever, but he somehow usually ended up firing the right person anyway, just for the wrong reason. The apparently good people left early, but it was often because they'd made bad choices about who to bring into the boardroom, which means they weren't really good people. The worst firing was probably Charmaine, because given that Tarek was fired for being impossible to manage, it was irrational to fire Charmaine for failing to manage him. Also Andrea, who took the fall for Ally's mistakes on the leaflet task.

Terrible final 2. Really really dislike Sean, can't stand him.

He is a good example of his favourite word (Peggy Bundy's maiden name).

The thing is though, this task was more of a proof of concept task, rather than delivering a finished product. So for example, when the Walmart person said the boys instalation would need to be bigger, it wasn't a problem. So yes, it would have been better with the roof, but in the form it was presented, the Walmart and Microsoft guys could still get a feel for what a future finished display would be like.

[quote]I still like Roxanne but I agree she can be too passive.[/QUOTE}

The problem I had with Roxanne was exactly the problem Ally highlighted. When she believes in the product or agrees with the direction the project manager is taking, then she is great and works hard, but if she doesn't agree or is asked to do a job she doesn't like, she gives up and does a really lackluster job of things.

Anyone know if the Beeb are planning to show series 6 - with the rich/poor divide and the terrible decision to relocate the show to LA (thus losing all the iconic images).

Its also time to say goodbye to Carolyn - she fell out with Trump after series 5 and got sacked to make way for Ivanka (nothing like nepotism!).

Carolyn got fired from her real job with Trump as well. It had nothing to do with Ivanka, but I guess he eventually was going to replace Carolyn with her anyway.

Btw, remember the secretary, Robin, who sits outside the boardroom? She also got fired