You're right, Brig. I'm getting ahead of myself. Or, rather, getting ahead of Tiggs, which is far more important. Apologies all round. xxx
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Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Billy hiding in the Dalek. What's not to love about that scene.”
“Billy hiding in the Dalek. What's not to love about that scene.”
There's a major plot development in that scene as well:
"I fooled them all, I am the Master!"
Originally Posted by The Brig:
“Have you read the novelisation - there's a brilliant really short chapter in it called 'Captain Dent makes a decision' which sums up the character very well?”
“Have you read the novelisation - there's a brilliant really short chapter in it called 'Captain Dent makes a decision' which sums up the character very well?”
I haven't read it for about 30 years but I will look it up, tomorrow though as it is nearly time to watch Curse of Peladon part 1.
Originally Posted by The Brig:
“There's a major plot development in that scene as well:
"I fooled them all, I am the Master!"”
“There's a major plot development in that scene as well:
"I fooled them all, I am the Master!"
”
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“You're right, Brig. I'm getting ahead of myself. Or, rather, getting ahead of Tiggs, which is far more important. Apologies all round. xxx”
“You're right, Brig. I'm getting ahead of myself. Or, rather, getting ahead of Tiggs, which is far more important. Apologies all round. xxx”
Tiggs, please don't read the next bit!
Spoiler
Agree with spoiler, and keeping it under wraps. It's great fun, seeing someone discover DW for the first time, and being surprised by the stuff that we all take for granted.
I'm in the middle of making a video for Season 2 and dabbled with the doctor in the dalek for a bit but left it out. It didn't fit with the theme I chose. I do love that bit though.
Originally Posted by Tigger-Roo:
“I'm in the middle of making a video for Season 2 and dabbled with the doctor in the dalek for a bit but left it out. It didn't fit with the theme I chose. I do love that bit though.”
“I'm in the middle of making a video for Season 2 and dabbled with the doctor in the dalek for a bit but left it out. It didn't fit with the theme I chose. I do love that bit though.”
Save it for another one sometime!
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“Agree with spoiler, and keeping it under wraps. It's great fun, seeing someone discover DW for the first time, and being surprised by the stuff that we all take for granted.”
“Agree with spoiler, and keeping it under wraps. It's great fun, seeing someone discover DW for the first time, and being surprised by the stuff that we all take for granted.”
It seems a little odd treating something shown nearly 40 years ago with spoiler tags
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“It seems a little odd treating something shown nearly 40 years ago with spoiler tags”
“It seems a little odd treating something shown nearly 40 years ago with spoiler tags
”
Indeed but it's all for Tigg's behalf. It was really difficult on the New fan thread for those who were there to not reveal everything that happened between 2005 and 2008.
This is easier but still trying to hide major surprises or cast changes so she can see it as a viewer did, as you say, 40 years ago. At least we can mention the Hartnell and Troughton stories.
Those Dravhins never fooled me!
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Billy hiding in the Dalek. What's not to love about that scene.”
“Billy hiding in the Dalek. What's not to love about that scene.”
one of the highlights of the 1st Doc era right there...
Originally Posted by The Brig:
“Those Dravhins never fooled me!”
“Those Dravhins never fooled me!”
Never trust anyone whose stated aim is to "conquer space"!
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“Never trust anyone whose stated aim is to "conquer space"!”
“Never trust anyone whose stated aim is to "conquer space"!”
Like Caligula ordering troops to wade into the sea and fight the waves back with their swords (getting one over on Neptune). (I was also uneasy about the killing surplus males thing. I would have voted against that.) (sorry to drag out the sixties flashback for a bit, I have only recently listened to this one. Back to the seventies...)
I also listened to Galaxy Four recently, and it's great fun. So many of those lost stories end up totally overlooked because the majority of people don't know anything about them other than what has been repeated by fan "received wisdom" over the years. Tiggs using the recons of the missing stories was a very refreshing approach to dealing with that. The Massacre, for instance, is a 10/10 story, but nobody is ever going to see it ... 
Originally Posted by The Brig:
“Indeed but it's all for Tigg's behalf. It was really difficult on the New fan thread for those who were there to not reveal everything that happened between 2005 and 2008.
This is easier but still trying to hide major surprises or cast changes so she can see it as a viewer did, as you say, 40 years ago. At least we can mention the Hartnell and Troughton stories.
Those Dravhins never fooled me!”
“Indeed but it's all for Tigg's behalf. It was really difficult on the New fan thread for those who were there to not reveal everything that happened between 2005 and 2008.
This is easier but still trying to hide major surprises or cast changes so she can see it as a viewer did, as you say, 40 years ago. At least we can mention the Hartnell and Troughton stories.
Those Dravhins never fooled me!”
Me neither. I came to the story fresh when I read the book for the first time. It was obvious the way it was going to go. Beautiful aliens against ugly monsters. But the ugly ones on the inside are the ones that are beautiful on the outside.
A very standard story but I really love it and the narrated audio rocks.
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“I also listened to Galaxy Four recently, and it's great fun. So many of those lost stories end up totally overlooked because the majority of people don't know anything about them other than what has been repeated by fan "received wisdom" over the years. Tiggs using the recons of the missing stories was a very refreshing approach to dealing with that. The Massacre, for instance, is a 10/10 story, but nobody is ever going to see it ...”
“I also listened to Galaxy Four recently, and it's great fun. So many of those lost stories end up totally overlooked because the majority of people don't know anything about them other than what has been repeated by fan "received wisdom" over the years. Tiggs using the recons of the missing stories was a very refreshing approach to dealing with that. The Massacre, for instance, is a 10/10 story, but nobody is ever going to see it ...
”
The new recon which the Beeb paid for to include on The Time Meddler release but Dan Hall banned is supposed to be magnificent. A large improvement on the last one. Sadly only the RT and their mates will get to see it however we can live in hope the Beeb may release it once the DVD range is finished.
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“I also listened to Galaxy Four recently, and it's great fun. So many of those lost stories end up totally overlooked because the majority of people don't know anything about them other than what has been repeated by fan "received wisdom" over the years. Tiggs using the recons of the missing stories was a very refreshing approach to dealing with that. The Massacre, for instance, is a 10/10 story, but nobody is ever going to see it ...”
“I also listened to Galaxy Four recently, and it's great fun. So many of those lost stories end up totally overlooked because the majority of people don't know anything about them other than what has been repeated by fan "received wisdom" over the years. Tiggs using the recons of the missing stories was a very refreshing approach to dealing with that. The Massacre, for instance, is a 10/10 story, but nobody is ever going to see it ...
”
I would love to see The Massacre for real, that would be great. Galaxy Four...don't bother for me. It's my second least favourite didn't like it at all really.
Originally Posted by Tigger-Roo:
“I would love to see The Massacre for real, that would be great. Galaxy Four...don't bother for me. It's my second least favourite didn't like it at all really.”
“I would love to see The Massacre for real, that would be great. Galaxy Four...don't bother for me. It's my second least favourite didn't like it at all really.”
Second to which?
Wait... The Web Planet?
Okay episode 3.
I didn't catch Tim Pigott-Smith Brig, but I recognised that chap from 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.
Still struggling with the Axos love. Even the idea of the earth being sucked dry didn't really disturb me. There is no menace there. The worst part in all this was Jo quickly ageing, and then just as quickly being reversed. Although this stories monster does nothing for me, it did capture the attention of youngest tiglet, when spaghetti monster went on the rampage outside. To the point that her ice lolly melted down her arm and finally fell of the stick.
The saving grace for this story, dare I say it, is the Master. He lifted the episode as soon as he came on screen. Oh and the other most exciting moment for me, was seeing the Tardis for the first time in colour. That gave me a buzz. So I'm going to sticky tape up my windows as instructed by the Master and prepare for his escape.
I didn't catch Tim Pigott-Smith Brig, but I recognised that chap from 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.
Still struggling with the Axos love. Even the idea of the earth being sucked dry didn't really disturb me. There is no menace there. The worst part in all this was Jo quickly ageing, and then just as quickly being reversed. Although this stories monster does nothing for me, it did capture the attention of youngest tiglet, when spaghetti monster went on the rampage outside. To the point that her ice lolly melted down her arm and finally fell of the stick.
The saving grace for this story, dare I say it, is the Master. He lifted the episode as soon as he came on screen. Oh and the other most exciting moment for me, was seeing the Tardis for the first time in colour. That gave me a buzz.
So I'm going to sticky tape up my windows as instructed by the Master and prepare for his escape.
Originally Posted by Tigger-Roo:
“Okay episode 3.
I didn't catch Tim Pigott-Smith Brig, but I recognised that chap from 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.
Still struggling with the Axos love. Even the idea of the earth being sucked dry didn't really disturb me. There is no menace there. The worst part in all this was Jo quickly ageing, and then just as quickly being reversed. Although this stories monster does nothing for me, it did capture the attention of youngest tiglet, when spaghetti monster went on the rampage outside. To the point that her ice lolly melted down her arm and finally fell of the stick.
The saving grace for this story, dare I say it, is the Master. He lifted the episode as soon as he came on screen. Oh and the other most exciting moment for me, was seeing the Tardis for the first time in colour. That gave me a buzz. So I'm going to sticky tape up my windows as instructed by the Master and prepare for his escape. ”
“Okay episode 3.
I didn't catch Tim Pigott-Smith Brig, but I recognised that chap from 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.
Still struggling with the Axos love. Even the idea of the earth being sucked dry didn't really disturb me. There is no menace there. The worst part in all this was Jo quickly ageing, and then just as quickly being reversed. Although this stories monster does nothing for me, it did capture the attention of youngest tiglet, when spaghetti monster went on the rampage outside. To the point that her ice lolly melted down her arm and finally fell of the stick.
The saving grace for this story, dare I say it, is the Master. He lifted the episode as soon as he came on screen. Oh and the other most exciting moment for me, was seeing the Tardis for the first time in colour. That gave me a buzz.
So I'm going to sticky tape up my windows as instructed by the Master and prepare for his escape. ”
Axos is great fun. Nothing more. It lacks something in comparison to all of the previous Pertwee stories and is a rather generic alien invading earth story. It certainly lacks the menace of other stories.
The contrast from the start when the Doc is the one who wants to give them a chance and the others are sceptical then, when blinded by human greed, there is an almost total role reversal.
Chinn is there for comic effect and it does not work some of the time although there is some amusement in his conversations with the Minister.
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Axos is great fun. Nothing more. It lacks something in comparison to all of the previous Pertwee stories and is a rather generic alien invading earth story. It certainly lacks the menace of other stories.
The contrast from the start when the Doc is the one who wants to give them a chance and the others are sceptical then, when blinded by human greed, there is an almost total role reversal.
Chinn is there for comic effect and it does not work some of the time although there is some amusement in his conversations with the Minister.”
“Axos is great fun. Nothing more. It lacks something in comparison to all of the previous Pertwee stories and is a rather generic alien invading earth story. It certainly lacks the menace of other stories.
The contrast from the start when the Doc is the one who wants to give them a chance and the others are sceptical then, when blinded by human greed, there is an almost total role reversal.
Chinn is there for comic effect and it does not work some of the time although there is some amusement in his conversations with the Minister.”
I think that's the problem it's so generic it lacks anything new.
Chinn by name but chinless by nature. The sort of person that just makes me go grrrrrr.
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Me neither. I came to the story fresh when I read the book for the first time. It was obvious the way it was going to go. Beautiful aliens against ugly monsters. But the ugly ones on the inside are the ones that are beautiful on the outside.
A very standard story but I really love it and the narrated audio rocks.”
“Me neither. I came to the story fresh when I read the book for the first time. It was obvious the way it was going to go. Beautiful aliens against ugly monsters. But the ugly ones on the inside are the ones that are beautiful on the outside.
A very standard story but I really love it and the narrated audio rocks.”
A perfectly inoffensive little story but the Doctor is suspicious of them from the start so their looks didn't get them far. (must take ages doing those eyebrow dots in the morning by the way.)
Originally Posted by Tigger-Roo:
“Okay episode 3.
I didn't catch Tim Pigott-Smith Brig, but I recognised that chap from 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.
Still struggling with the Axos love. Even the idea of the earth being sucked dry didn't really disturb me. There is no menace there. The worst part in all this was Jo quickly ageing, and then just as quickly being reversed. Although this stories monster does nothing for me, it did capture the attention of youngest tiglet, when spaghetti monster went on the rampage outside. To the point that her ice lolly melted down her arm and finally fell of the stick.
The saving grace for this story, dare I say it, is the Master. He lifted the episode as soon as he came on screen. Oh and the other most exciting moment for me, was seeing the Tardis for the first time in colour. That gave me a buzz. So I'm going to sticky tape up my windows as instructed by the Master and prepare for his escape. ”
“Okay episode 3.
I didn't catch Tim Pigott-Smith Brig, but I recognised that chap from 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.
Still struggling with the Axos love. Even the idea of the earth being sucked dry didn't really disturb me. There is no menace there. The worst part in all this was Jo quickly ageing, and then just as quickly being reversed. Although this stories monster does nothing for me, it did capture the attention of youngest tiglet, when spaghetti monster went on the rampage outside. To the point that her ice lolly melted down her arm and finally fell of the stick.
The saving grace for this story, dare I say it, is the Master. He lifted the episode as soon as he came on screen. Oh and the other most exciting moment for me, was seeing the Tardis for the first time in colour. That gave me a buzz.
So I'm going to sticky tape up my windows as instructed by the Master and prepare for his escape. ”
Yes my attempt at maintaining surprises means I didn't mention the TARDIS interior reveal.
Sorry, going to go a bit detailed here, feel free to skip this bit!
This story reveals a brand new TARDIS console which is slightly smaller than the old one and with a slightly different shade of green. (It was only green in the black and white days as it looked more 'white' and wouldn't flare on the 405 line cameras). New central column as well also in green that sadly doesn't rotate as well as rise up and down. It has been argued that the console is Hartnell's refurbished but photo comparison shows that although all the levers and dials are in the same approximate positions, they don't quite match. Interestingly it's unveiled covered in junk and wiring, showing the Doctor's desperate attempts to fix it. The budget couldn't run to new walls or fresh paint so the roundelled walls show a tint of yellowing paint and a small amount of what seems like mould in a corner. The scanner has been diminished down into a roundel and without realising it, beginning a trend that now features in Matt Smith's TARDIS (much bigger roundel there though.)
Still an attempt at referring back to the black and white days as the eagle plinth seen since the first episode is back again and if memory recalls, one of the chairs too. Also note that instead of showing the area outside the TARDIS when the interior doors open, it shows a roundelled walled lobby.
The Master's not impressed though when trying to get it going, "Underpowered, overweight...a museum piece. May as well try to fly a second hand gas stove!!"
The Master basically does the Doctor's work in episode 3, trying to stop Axos (albeit under duress) and gets the TARDIS almost repaired.
I love the shot of the TARDIS on the back of the lorry although the Master's impression of a General is appalling - how come Benton didn't spot it??
The plot is beginning to sink under its weight here, Axos is about to absorb all the power of Earth but can't time travel without the Nuton Complex power that it will absorb anyway.
Stars of the future - we had Tim Pigott-Smith, Mr It Ain't 'Alf Hot Mum and now Charlie Slater from Eastenders who had a blink or miss it moment as a UNIT soldier zapped by an Axon.
Delgado really is carrying this story and shows why he has so many fans, just as Troughton kept the Krotons on the boil. The music meanwhile would give early 70s primitive synthesisers a bad name if they hadn't got one already.
Still, a think episode four is a good end to the story in some parts so I'll comment on that later.
Originally Posted by The Brig:
“Yes my attempt at maintaining surprises means I didn't mention the TARDIS interior reveal.
Sorry, going to go a bit detailed here, feel free to skip this bit!
This story reveals a brand new TARDIS console which is slightly smaller than the old one and with a slightly different shade of green. (It was only green in the black and white days as it looked more 'white' and wouldn't flare on the 405 line cameras). New central column as well also in green that sadly doesn't rotate as well as rise up and down. It has been argued that the console is Hartnell's refurbished but photo comparison shows that although all the levers and dials are in the same approximate positions, they don't quite match. Interestingly it's unveiled covered in junk and wiring, showing the Doctor's desperate attempts to fix it. The budget couldn't run to new walls or fresh paint so the roundelled walls show a tint of yellowing paint and a small amount of what seems like mould in a corner. The scanner has been diminished down into a roundel and without realising it, beginning a trend that now features in Matt Smith's TARDIS (much bigger roundel there though
”
“Yes my attempt at maintaining surprises means I didn't mention the TARDIS interior reveal.
Sorry, going to go a bit detailed here, feel free to skip this bit!
This story reveals a brand new TARDIS console which is slightly smaller than the old one and with a slightly different shade of green. (It was only green in the black and white days as it looked more 'white' and wouldn't flare on the 405 line cameras). New central column as well also in green that sadly doesn't rotate as well as rise up and down. It has been argued that the console is Hartnell's refurbished but photo comparison shows that although all the levers and dials are in the same approximate positions, they don't quite match. Interestingly it's unveiled covered in junk and wiring, showing the Doctor's desperate attempts to fix it. The budget couldn't run to new walls or fresh paint so the roundelled walls show a tint of yellowing paint and a small amount of what seems like mould in a corner. The scanner has been diminished down into a roundel and without realising it, beginning a trend that now features in Matt Smith's TARDIS (much bigger roundel there though
”
So that is meant to be the new scanner? I couldn't get my head round why a picture was appearing in the roundel. It get it now.
Quote:
“
Still an attempt at referring back to the black and white days as the eagle plinth seen since the first episode is back again and if memory recalls, one of the chairs too. Also note that instead of showing the area outside the TARDIS when the interior doors open, it shows a roundelled walled lobby.
The Master's not impressed though when trying to get it going, "Underpowered, overweight...a museum piece. May as well try to fly a second hand gas stove!!"
”
“
Still an attempt at referring back to the black and white days as the eagle plinth seen since the first episode is back again and if memory recalls, one of the chairs too. Also note that instead of showing the area outside the TARDIS when the interior doors open, it shows a roundelled walled lobby.
The Master's not impressed though when trying to get it going, "Underpowered, overweight...a museum piece. May as well try to fly a second hand gas stove!!"
”
He has some great lines.
Quote:
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The Master basically does the Doctor's work in episode 3, trying to stop Axos (albeit under duress) and gets the TARDIS almost repaired.
I love the shot of the TARDIS on the back of the lorry although the Master's impression of a General is appalling - how come Benton didn't spot it??
The plot is beginning to sink under its weight here, Axos is about to absorb all the power of Earth but can't time travel without the Nuton Complex power that it will absorb anyway.
Stars of the future - we had Tim Pigott-Smith, Mr It Ain't 'Alf Hot Mum and now Charlie Slater from Eastenders who had a blink or miss it moment as a UNIT soldier zapped by an Axon.
”
“
The Master basically does the Doctor's work in episode 3, trying to stop Axos (albeit under duress) and gets the TARDIS almost repaired.
I love the shot of the TARDIS on the back of the lorry although the Master's impression of a General is appalling - how come Benton didn't spot it??
The plot is beginning to sink under its weight here, Axos is about to absorb all the power of Earth but can't time travel without the Nuton Complex power that it will absorb anyway.
Stars of the future - we had Tim Pigott-Smith, Mr It Ain't 'Alf Hot Mum and now Charlie Slater from Eastenders who had a blink or miss it moment as a UNIT soldier zapped by an Axon.
”
Oh yes spotted Charlie Slater as well.
Quote:
“
Delgado really is carrying this story and shows why he has so many fans, just as Troughton kept the Krotons on the boil. The music meanwhile would give early 70s primitive synthesisers a bad name if they hadn't got one already.
Still, a think episode four is a good end to the story in some parts so I'll comment on that later.”
“
Delgado really is carrying this story and shows why he has so many fans, just as Troughton kept the Krotons on the boil. The music meanwhile would give early 70s primitive synthesisers a bad name if they hadn't got one already.
Still, a think episode four is a good end to the story in some parts so I'll comment on that later.”
Delgado is just fantastic. I do declare that he is currently my favourite Master, and I never thought I'd say that.
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