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Old 04-04-2004, 17:52
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What is it with soaps and ridiculous storylines at the moment?
First of all there's Danny sleeping with Val in Emmerdale. She's old enough to be his grandmother, and (not meaning to be too rude) she's no oil painting. And Jason trying it on with Gail in Corrie. :yawn: And the storyline coming up about Victoria in Emmerdale (which I won't mention in case some of you don't know it and don't want to know).
Why are they coming up with this stuff?
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Old 04-04-2004, 18:03
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Maybe they are just trying to be "wacky" like the American and Aussie soaps.

But in a typical "British" way of course.........
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Old 05-04-2004, 12:39
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Originally Posted by aanddfan
What is it with soaps and ridiculous storylines at the moment?
First of all there's Danny sleeping with Val in Emmerdale. She's old enough to be his grandmother, and (not meaning to be too rude) she's no oil painting. And Jason trying it on with Gail in Corrie. :yawn: And the storyline coming up about Victoria in Emmerdale (which I won't mention in case some of you don't know it and don't want to know).
Why are they coming up with this stuff?
What is the Victoria storyline?
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Old 05-04-2004, 15:36
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Originally Posted by PosieF
What is the Victoria storyline?
It is this (apparently):
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Old 05-04-2004, 15:44
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i don't think that's ridiculous.
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We need a bit of light relief in Emmerdale atm!

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Old 05-04-2004, 15:56
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Apparently the Victoria storyline in Emmerdale is based on an actual real life case, although I agree, it is a little odd.
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Old 05-04-2004, 16:45
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If you don't want to know what happens, don't read this post! i can't make it all a spoiler!


Originally Posted by Rita's Kabin
Apparently the Victoria storyline in Emmerdale is based on an actual real life case, although I agree, it is a little odd.
There are a lot of instances where children (and adults)have stopped speaking after experiencing emotional trauma (Do a google search - there's loads on it!) especially if it's to do with violence or sex. It kind of makes sense if you think about it. Children aren't very good at telling lies and in situations like that they feel that they will get in trouble or get someone else in trouble if they tell the truth. It's also a way of emotionally withdrawing from the situation.

Robert's handling of the situation with regard to Victoria (ie threatening her with violence) would just compound those feelings by frightening her even more.

I'm really looking forward to it!!

Other ridiculous storylines: i think the one involving the twins coming up in H&A is implausible for all sorts of reasons!

Alfie borrowing money from Andy in EE

Viv looking up 'Chlamydia' on a search engine called 'Poodle' in Emmerdale
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Old 05-04-2004, 16:52
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Originally Posted by drakaina
There are a lot of instances where children (and adults)have stopped speaking after experiencing emotional trauma (Do a google search - there's loads on it!) especially if it's to do with violence or sex. It kind of makes sense if you think about it. Children aren't very good at telling lies and in situations like that they feel that they will get in trouble or get someone else in trouble if they tell the truth. It's also a way of emotionally withdrawing from the situation.

Robert's handling of the situation with regard to Victoria (ie threatening her with violence) would just compound those feelings by frightening her even more.
You've done your research drakaina! Personally I've never known anyone this has happened too, & suspect this will be the case for a large proportion of the population.

Still, if there's a plethora of stuff about it on the internet it's good that it's being brought to the public's attention in this way. It might also trigger off some actions in people who know children who have suddenly stopped talking.
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Old 05-04-2004, 17:03
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In the 1960's the group The Who did their rock opera "Tommy" and this was exactly what it was all about. In the opera young Tommy found his mother in bed with another man and both mother and the man said to Tommy "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing at all" etc. Tommy ended up as "that deaf dumb and blind kid (sure plays a mean pinball)".

So it can happen.
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Old 05-04-2004, 17:05
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i only really know about it coz i know a couple of Child Psychologists (that's people who study childrens' psychology - not children who study psychology ) and because i watch faaar too many channel 4 documentaries!

It's good that Victoria is getting a storyline tho, albeit one where she doesn't speak . i wonder what she's going to grow into and how long she'll stay on Emmerdale. Do you remember Sally Fletcher in H&A when she was tiny?

Sorry, i'm off the subject aren't i? *Puts up Diversion signs*
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Old 05-04-2004, 18:36
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[quote=aanddfan]What is it with soaps and ridiculous storylines at the moment?
First of all there's Danny sleeping with Val in Emmerdale. She's old enough to be his grandmother, and (not meaning to be too rude) she's no oil painting. And Jason trying it on with Gail in Corrie. :
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Is it only where I live that this is not an unusual scenario?
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Old 05-04-2004, 18:37
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lol awwww@ickle Victoria. Robert is such a scumbag :angry
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Old 05-04-2004, 19:46
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I find it very difficult (see the Katie thread) to even begin to understand that Katie could still have feelings for such a petulant & vindictive character such as Robert. If he had the feelings for Katie that he says he has later in the week then why hasn't he simply told her that he loves her and that he will be there for her when she is ready, surely this is more the approach that a supposedly educated young girl would appreciate?? Watching Robert threaten a child would surely put her off the "scumbag" or is that the sting in the tail.

I still stand with my "they both catch it, Katie is pregnant and thrown out by the pair of them as neither is sure who is the father". Although it has to be said that the odds would be on Robert here as Katie has not been that obliging towards her husband has she ?
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Old 06-04-2004, 10:21
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Originally Posted by makesat
Watching Robert threaten a child would surely put her off the "scumbag" or is that the sting in the tail.
Katie doesn't see him, she doesn't know Victoria saw them because Robert doesn't tell her until Victoria stops speaking.

But i agree, Robert is continuing to prove himself as the little charmer that he is. And Donna is getting right on my wick!
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Old 06-04-2004, 20:43
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robert is a brilliantly twisted and manipulative character.some actors in EE could learn from the actor's performances.
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Old 08-04-2004, 15:36
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Re Alfie borrowing money from Andy: that really IS stupid, especially when Alfie thinks he is going to keep getting away with the money being a bit short, week after week. He borrowed THOUSANDS OF POUNDS from someone when he STOLE THE GUY'S FIANCEE AT THE ALTAR and the guy is a GANGSTER. I mean, duh. I know they are trying to make Alfie a loveable chappie but surely he is a bit more savvy than that? OK he was desperate for the money, but wouldn't he know the score now? Maybe he is just trying to think positive (that usually doesn't happen on the square...)

The storyline I have hated most in any soap over the past few years and found the most stupid was Kirsty from H & A falling for her sister's rapist. I actually had a huge row with my g/f about it (oh, OK - so I am really stupid to argue over a soap! ) as she thought it was "naughty" and "edgy" and I thought it was quite simply sick and manipulative. A lot of girls seem to think, "Oh but Kane had a hard life and he is so cute" - :yawn: - and I know Kirsty is supposed to be a bit of a wild child, but painting them as some Romeo and Juliet love story was a bit much and started to make me feel sick.
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Old 08-04-2004, 16:12
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Yes I agree with ye about hte Kirsty storyline in Home and Away. No family in their right mind would accept a daughter dating a guy who tried to rape her sister. It is kind of sick when you think how they've been made look like Romeo and Juliet. And it trivialised what Dani went through at the hands of Kane. If I were Producer of that show, I would have a suitable ending to that storyline which would involve them both living on an island in shame for the rest of their lives, an then a forest fire on that island of shame and only one of them coming back to the Bay lol
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Old 09-04-2004, 00:56
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Maybe there is an interesting story to be told about the redemption of a rapist but H & A is not a deep or well-written enough show to handle it (and neither is Hollyoaks).

I'm not sure about over here but in Oz you can get a DVD which tells the story of Kane and Kirsty's "relationship" - the whole thing is really quite yukky to me and I have no idea if we are supposed to be rooting for them or not; rather than making me think again about people, relationships, and how people change and can move on from the bad things they have done, which was maybe the intention of the writers (though I rather think they hoped female viewers would forgive Kane as he was "buff" or well er whatever the kids say these days (I am nearly 24 and out of touch ) and he had a tortured past blah blah blah), the whole thing makes me think this is a lightweight soap considerably out of its depth and pursuing a storyline that is not "racy" or "wild" (again, presumably the writers' intention) but just sick. What kind of sister is Kirsty? Dani should never speak to the selfish, naive, not to say downright stupid little spoilt brat ever again.

Er, not that I feel strongly about this, or anything! It's just a TV show!
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Old 09-04-2004, 01:18
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Originally Posted by Vodka Squirrel
Maybe there is an interesting story to be told about the redemption of a rapist but H & A is not a deep or well-written enough show to handle it (and neither is Hollyoaks).

I'm not sure about over here but in Oz you can get a DVD which tells the story of Kane and Kirsty's "relationship" - the whole thing is really quite yukky to me and I have no idea if we are supposed to be rooting for them or not; rather than making me think again about people, relationships, and how people change and can move on from the bad things they have done, which was maybe the intention of the writers (though I rather think they hoped female viewers would forgive Kane as he was "buff" or well er whatever the kids say these days (I am nearly 24 and out of touch ) and he had a tortured past blah blah blah), the whole thing makes me think this is a lightweight soap considerably out of its depth and pursuing a storyline that is not "racy" or "wild" (again, presumably the writers' intention) but just sick. What kind of sister is Kirsty? Dani should never speak to the selfish, naive, not to say downright stupid little spoilt brat ever again.

Er, not that I feel strongly about this, or anything! It's just a TV show!
Lol I agree with everything you said there. Surely if they were going for a redemption of Kane's character they could have had him live in the Bay but interact with other characters or give him an alternate storyline. I just fail to see how anyone could believe a girl would date her sisters rapist. It's a bit sick to be honest I find. I don't know either if we're meant to be rooting for them or not but I most certainly am not. I hope they break up this couple soon. Although from what I hear they'll be back in the Bay and together for a while yet.

It trivialises a big issue though which is why I don't agree with it. Even with Home and Away's airy fairy mediation thing that they had, I don't believe it. I think it's a load of crap and they are way out of their depth trying to make Kane appear like a good guy. Even though we know he isn't, but I can't reveal too much as I'm a bit ahead of you guys in the UK
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Old 09-04-2004, 01:34
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Lol I agree with everything you said there. Surely if they were going for a redemption of Kane's character they could have had him live in the Bay but interact with other characters or give him an alternate storyline. I just fail to see how anyone could believe a girl would date her sisters rapist. It's a bit sick to be honest I find. I don't know either if we're meant to be rooting for them or not but I most certainly am not. I hope they break up this couple soon. Although from what I hear they'll be back in the Bay and together for a while yet.

It trivialises a big issue though which is why I don't agree with it. Even with Home and Away's airy fairy mediation thing that they had, I don't believe it. I think it's a load of crap and they are way out of their depth trying to make Kane appear like a good guy. Even though we know he isn't, but I can't reveal too much as I'm a bit ahead of you guys in the UK
I agree with you 100% - Kane could have been redeemed without dating Kirsty, sure enough, and yeah, we are I think supposed to a) believe that someone would date and fall in love with the guy who raped their sister and b) see this as a story of star-crossed lovers and be hoping it all works out for them in the end - rather than viewing it for what it is, i.e. a cheap and unpleasant little stunt.

Maybe I am being closed-minded but it is just nasty! I stopped watching H & A because of this storyline (but I am never home from work in time to watch it these days, anyway!)
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Old 09-04-2004, 03:06
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I think I am as open minded as the next guy but I definitely would not accept my sister dating a guy who had sexually abused my other sister. It's a very tacky storyline, if EastEnders or Corrie tried to do it there would be murder lol
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