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Old 11-01-2010, 22:38
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I thought it was really well acted. I also liked the fact that Jane got to explain how she feels about the situation. Zainab's usually really strong and confident, and in this case she was almoat pleading with Jane to understand that she only did what she thought was right. It was interesting to see that even though Jane disapproved of the affair, she's still willing to stand up for her brother and Syed in some ways.
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Old 11-01-2010, 22:55
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I really liked it as well. I can't believe no one heard it though!

Jane is very loyal to Christian, which I think is great.
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Old 11-01-2010, 23:10
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Two differing opinions from Zainab and Jane. I thought it was brilliantly acted and the script was fantastic.

They are never going to agree about it and it's painful watching their relationship fall apart. OK they've never been best friends but they could tolerate and even like each other to a certain extent and could easily run a business together in harmony. I can't see that happening now and I am doubtful whether Masala Queen will survive the bad feeling which now exists between Christian/Zainab and now Jane.

Masood, Ian and Amira are going to notice the bad feeling so what are C, J and Z going to say to them to explain the strained atmosphere?
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Old 11-01-2010, 23:30
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I think Zainab will show Jane the Janine/Ian sex tape and things will be even more strained. Either way, Zainab is going down, down, down in my estimation.
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Old 11-01-2010, 23:31
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Just finished watching tonight's episode on the iplayer. Felt really sorry for Jane and Christian.Zainab doesn't half know how to rub both their noses in it doesn't she? Showing Christian the postcard and suggesting that there might be the patter of tiny feet and then telling jane latter on that she wouldn't know because she has never been a Mother herself. No wonder Jane showed her the door.
I get the feeling that Zainab is lashing out at both Jane and Christian because she feels insecure about her son's relationship with his new wife. Wondering if its all working out.
I think deep down she knows that her son would have been both better and happier with Christian. But because of their religion it wouldn't be accepted in their community that he is gay.
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Old 12-01-2010, 00:20
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Just finished watching tonight's episode on the iplayer. Felt really sorry for Jane and Christian.Zainab doesn't half know how to rub both their noses in it doesn't she? Showing Christian the postcard and suggesting that there might be the patter of tiny feet and then telling jane latter on that she wouldn't know because she has never been a Mother herself. No wonder Jane showed her the door.
I get the feeling that Zainab is lashing out at both Jane and Christian because she feels insecure about her son's relationship with his new wife. Wondering if its all working out.
I think deep down she knows that her son would have been both better and happier with Christian. But because of their religion it wouldn't be accepted in their community that he is gay.
The part I highlighted was the a terrible thing to say to someone who can't have children Didn't she say something like 'only someone who has actually given birth...' you absolute b!tch Zainab and she's lucky she only got chucked out and not a slap or two to go with it. Maybe Jane would have done if she hadn't been pregnant.

Strangely though, although I don't agree by any stretch of the imagination, I can understand Zainab attacking Christian's character etc as she sees him as a threat and a deviant who corrupted her son () but to say that to Jane was wicked and all because Jane was quite righly sticking up for her brother.

Zainab is just going around saying what she likes and because Masood doesn't know he can't control this nasty, gobby side of her character like he normally does. Who knows though, maybe if he did (does) find out he'd feel the same as Zainab?

I really can't see how they can work together after this.
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Old 12-01-2010, 00:36
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its all very interesting so far. Hopefully the writer will do it justice and actually delve more into how the muslim community would cause grief to the whole family or how they would deal about it if it were to be brought out into the open. At the moment it seems more so to be that Zainab is homophobic..... but it would be good to maybe show or explain her fears. I think I read somewhere that being gay was considered a crime punishable by death in some islamic countries?? I think it was also considered to be illegal in the US. The writers could do so much with this story ....there is so much history and current problems ..... they could help people understand how much more difficult it can be to be gay in certain communities..... and also it can open up the minds of some homophobes too. Hopefully the enders writers will do a good job. Looking forward to seeing how it will pan out. The actors involved are doing an ACE job!
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:20
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Loved the Jane/Zainab exchange. I normally don't like Jane but I liked her tonight as she stood by her brother. It was a horible thing for Zainab to say about Jane not being ablle to have children and I'm not surprised Jane threw her out. I bet Masood, Tamwar and Syed and Amira when they return will notice the strained atmosphere. Denise, Heather and Shirkley all saw Jane and Zainab bitching at each other though they don't understand what's going on. I'll be interested to see how this continues.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:29
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Strangely though, although I don't agree by any stretch of the imagination, I can understand Zainab attacking Christian's character etc as she sees him as a threat and a deviant who corrupted her son () but to say that to Jane was wicked and all because Jane was quite righly sticking up for her brother.


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Oh so it is alright to be homophobic to Christian but not OK to touch on Janes childllessness? Double standards anyone?

Zainab is sort of getting her comeuppence. I think Christian has the patience of a saint keeping his cool through massive provaction. She more or less bullied him out of Masala Queen, making life so uncomfortable he had no choice but to quit. There are laws against things like that you know. If it can be proved he was driven from his job she can be prosecuted. And rightly so..

Zainab is a bully - pure and simple. She pushes people untilt they do what she wants - she pushes and pushes until they either give in or explode at her. She thinks what she can do to her family she can do with work colleagues and people around her.

To be fair, its a delcious character and there is so much room for conflict - but it beats me how Nina Wadia can keep up the aggression performance after performance.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:45
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To be fair, its a delcious character and there is so much room for conflict - but it beats me how Nina Wadia can keep up the aggression performance after performance.
She's a good actress?
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Old 12-01-2010, 14:02
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Oh so it is alright to be homophobic to Christian but not OK to touch on Janes childllessness? Double standards anyone?

Zainab is sort of getting her comeuppence. I think Christian has the patience of a saint keeping his cool through massive provaction. She more or less bullied him out of Masala Queen, making life so uncomfortable he had no choice but to quit. There are laws against things like that you know. If it can be proved he was driven from his job she can be prosecuted. And rightly so..

Zainab is a bully - pure and simple. She pushes people untilt they do what she wants - she pushes and pushes until they either give in or explode at her. She thinks what she can do to her family she can do with work colleagues and people around her.

To be fair, its a delcious character and there is so much room for conflict - but it beats me how Nina Wadia can keep up the aggression performance after performance.
Double standards? Exactly where in my post did I say I AGREED with her and thought it was perfectly OK to attack Christian but not Jane? I categorically stated that I did NOT agree with her actions at all - I said I could understand her having a go at Christian with him being the protagonist in HER eyes, the one who opened her eyes to her son's sexuality, the one who her son has been sleeping with but most of all to Zainab (who can't seem to get it through her head that Syed is gay and hasn't been corrupted) Christian is the villain of the peace and therefore fair game as far as she's concerned.

MY point is this: all Jane did during their argument was admit she'd known about Christian and Syed since Christmas (just before Zainab found out, not like she's been covering up their affair for months!) and quite rightly stuck up for her brother against Zainab's vicious verbal assault. For her major sin of doing exactly what Zainab would have done herself if the roles had been reversed, Zainab hit low, very low indeed. I'm not sure exactly how much Zainab knows about Jane wanting a child but surely she knows that she was shot with catastrophic consequences just a few years ago? Unfortunately this would be the stuff of gossip and would most likely have got back to Zainab's ears somehow. Jane's reaction by chucking her out showed exactly how much the barb struck - now what exactly did Jane do to deserve that? She's as innocent as Zainab herself in all this FGS! Neither of them had anything to do with C & S getting together and neither knew until very recently. If it had been me, Zainab would have been exiting with two black eyes too, not that I make a habit of hitting pregnant women!

THAT'S what I meant by Christian being fair game if you put yourself in Zainab's shoes (and I reiterate - I DON'T AGREE WITH HER ACTIONS) but Jane had nothing to do with it apart from sticking up for her brother and what Zainab said was both insulting (to adoptive parents too) and clearly aimed to cause maximum hurt.

I usually like Zainab but am finding it very hard at the moment I must say, although I do applaud EE for staying true to her character and not making her go all PC. And I still think she's brilliantly portrayed by Nadia and I wonder with feelings being so high over this issue, and the character coming out with some truly vile things, whether she's getting any abuse from the public as some have trouble separating fact from fiction!
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Old 12-01-2010, 15:45
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Im 100% on Jane's side and think Zainab is being vile at the minute. And as for her remark about Jane not having children and not understanding. That was awful thing to say and Jane would make a far better mother than Zainab. She's horrible to her own kids and comes across as really selfish.
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Old 12-01-2010, 15:47
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Im 100% on Jane's side and think Zainab is being vile at the minute. And as for her remark about Jane not having children and not understanding. That was awful thing to say and Jane would make a far better mother than Zainab. She's horrible to her own kids and comes across as really selfish.
It's wonderful script writing though and totally apt for Z's cultural background and age group. Fantastic work on the writers behalf.
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Old 12-01-2010, 15:56
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Im 100% on Jane's side and think Zainab is being vile at the minute. And as for her remark about Jane not having children and not understanding. That was awful thing to say and Jane would make a far better mother than Zainab. She's horrible to her own kids and comes across as really selfish.
Zainab is not horrible to her children, what are you on about?

The only thing she did, which she shouldn't have, was force Syed to continue the Wedding, one bad doesn't overwrite all the other stuff.

By the way, let's not forget Zainab has no idea Jane can't have Children, only Masood knows that, I believe.
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Old 12-01-2010, 16:00
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Im 100% on Jane's side and think Zainab is being vile at the minute. And as for her remark about Jane not having children and not understanding. That was awful thing to say and Jane would make a far better mother than Zainab. She's horrible to her own kids and comes across as really selfish.
I agree. I do not see the appeal of this Zainab character. She is awful
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Old 12-01-2010, 17:19
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Zainab is not horrible to her children, what are you on about?

The only thing she did, which she shouldn't have, was force Syed to continue the Wedding, one bad doesn't overwrite all the other stuff.

By the way, let's not forget Zainab has no idea Jane can't have Children, only Masood knows that, I believe.
Are we sure Zainab doesn't know? Masood is her husband after all and they might have spoken about it together? Or she could have found out through general tittle tattle and gossip that Jane had been shot. There's many ways that Zainab could have found out this information.

I'm afraid I'm not going to cut Zainab any slack at all on this matter. To me she looked like she knew exactly what she was doing and went for the jugular to inflict as much hurt as possible. She's lashing out and being as cruel as possible to anyone who she see's as a threat and condoning what's happened
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Old 12-01-2010, 18:14
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Are we sure Zainab doesn't know? Masood is her husband after all and they might have spoken about it together? Or she could have found out through general tittle tattle and gossip that Jane had been shot. There's many ways that Zainab could have found out this information.

I'm afraid I'm not going to cut Zainab any slack at all on this matter. To me she looked like she knew exactly what she was doing and went for the jugular to inflict as much hurt as possible. She's lashing out and being as cruel as possible to anyone who she see's as a threat and condoning what's happened
Only Tanya ever knew about Jane no being able to have children, then Christian, then Masood, neither three would broadcast it.
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Old 12-01-2010, 18:31
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Only Tanya ever knew about Jane no being able to have children, then Christian, then Masood, neither three would broadcast it.
I still have my doubts Ian's kids would know for a start, they might have confided in someone else (especially lately when Ian and Jane split up) and all it takes is one loose tongue. Even Tanya's kids could have been ear wigging in conversations and tittle tattled! There's a multitude of ways the info could have got out - in reality! But as this is a soap, if that had happened we'd probably have seen it on screen, integral to the plot and all that!

Don't get me wrong, Zainab is one of my favourite characters but she is being so nasty at the moment that I'd believe she'd say anything to have a dig. Maybe she genuinely doesn't know about Jane - it was still a horrible thing to say to a woman is who bringing up 3 children. Tantamount to saying you can only be a proper Mother and understand properly if you've actually given birth. What rot! What about all the bad birth Mothers out there but the excellent one's who have adopted kids?

Zainab is dreadfully hurt, confused and scared but is handling it all wrong IMO. The pressure of hiding this 'dirty secret' (her opinion) from Masood and pretending all is well when at home must be taking it's toll (that and being heavily pregnant of course) and that's why she's so snappy and angry all the time. She might be worried about telling Masood though as he's actually disowned Syed before hasn't he?

It will be interesting to see what happens when Syed and Amira return from honeymoon - how long will it take for everything to kick off!!
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Old 12-01-2010, 19:02
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Zainab is not horrible to her children, what are you on about?

The only thing she did, which she shouldn't have, was force Syed to continue the Wedding, one bad doesn't overwrite all the other stuff.

By the way, let's not forget Zainab has no idea Jane can't have Children, only Masood knows that, I believe.
I would still prefer to have Jane as my mother over Zainab any day. Zainab to me comes across as very selfish: she emotionally blackmailed Syed into marrying Amira because SHE didnt want to look bad amongst her community. She was very unpleasant to Tamwar when he failed to get into university. (its one thing wanting the best for your kids but she was particularly unpleasant to him). And until the wedding she obviously favoured Syed over Tamwar. Not much of a mother in my opinion. And she's also nasty and bitchy about all her neighbours and even her husband.

Whereas i find Jane to be a much nicer and caring character and a lot easier to sympathize with.
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Old 12-01-2010, 19:50
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I would still prefer to have Jane as my mother over Zainab any day. Zainab to me comes across as very selfish: she emotionally blackmailed Syed into marrying Amira because SHE didnt want to look bad amongst her community. She was very unpleasant to Tamwar when he failed to get into university. (its one thing wanting the best for your kids but she was particularly unpleasant to him). And until the wedding she obviously favoured Syed over Tamwar. Not much of a mother in my opinion. And she's also nasty and bitchy about all her neighbours and even her husband.

Whereas i find Jane to be a much nicer and caring character and a lot easier to sympathize with.
I like Jane better too.... but I dont think Zainab has been a bad mother..... yes part of her actions were to protect herself and her family from what the rest fo the community thought, but also to protect her son. Her son who wants to be a good muslim..... which would mean he is not allowed ot be gay (ridiculous I know - since it is not a choice)...... but it will be interesting to see how far enders goes with this, as it would good to see in exactly what way, and how much inpact it can actually have not only on the family but also sayed... now that will be great to see. Enders prides itself on tackling provocative storylines... lets hope they do a good job with this and show us what can really happen.

Now with regards to how zainab is treating Christian - that is totally out of order and really she does not need to continuously rub his face into it. I understand she sees him as a threat, but her method to deal with this threat is very nasty. It is indeed a side to her character I do not like. BUt Im glad its there as it makes better tv!!
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Old 12-01-2010, 20:06
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I would still prefer to have Jane as my mother over Zainab any day. Zainab to me comes across as very selfish: she emotionally blackmailed Syed into marrying Amira because SHE didnt want to look bad amongst her community. She was very unpleasant to Tamwar when he failed to get into university. (its one thing wanting the best for your kids but she was particularly unpleasant to him). And until the wedding she obviously favoured Syed over Tamwar. Not much of a mother in my opinion. And she's also nasty and bitchy about all her neighbours and even her husband.

Whereas i find Jane to be a much nicer and caring character and a lot easier to sympathize with.
It was hardly just her image she was protecting, you forget, this is a woman, who in her community was Burned alive, for loving who she loved. No mother would want that for her child.

Yeah, the woman who so quickly walked out on children, including one who has only knew her calling her mother, at the drop of a hat, much nicer, and more caring.
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Old 12-01-2010, 20:13
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It was hardly just her image she was protecting, you forget, this is a woman, who in her community was Burned alive, for loving who she loved. No mother would want that for her child.

Yeah, the woman who so quickly walked out on children, including one who has only knew her calling her mother, at the drop of a hat, much nicer, and more caring.
And she was prepared to walk out on them again tonight!
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Old 12-01-2010, 20:23
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It was a great scene. Both Laurie Brett and Especially Nina Wadia are superb actresses. The reveal is going to outstanding just like the wedding episodes.
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:47
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It was a great scene. Both Laurie Brett and Especially Nina Wadia are superb actresses. The reveal is going to outstanding just like the wedding episodes.
I totally agree. As was tonights when Zainab just walked into Jane's house, plonked the laptop on the table and played that incriminating file! The look on her face was triumphant She'd got one over on Jane, for those few minutes she was delighted. Although I do think she'll end up regretting her actions.

Nadia is playing the threatened, hostile, angry , upset but ultimately scared and confused Zainab to perfection I hate Zainab at the moment so she must be doing something right!
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