• TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
  • Follow
    • Follow
    • facebook
    • twitter
    • google+
    • instagram
    • youtube
Hearst Corporation
  • TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
Forums
  • Register
  • Login
  • Forums
  • TV
  • Soaps
Zainab is cool...
<<
<
3 of 3
>>
>
Iphigenia
13-01-2010
Originally Posted by samj_namesake:
“I'd give you a debate but I'm a non religious person who has myself tried to point out why you can't take every single passage in the bible/Qu'rah verbatum. No one ever listens though ”

Ah well. At least thee and me agree.

Originally Posted by samj_namesake:
“ I've said the same thing, religion states it's the big chiefs job to judge not us mere mortals, yet somehow this conveniently gets forgotten in the "says in the bible being gay is a sin" rampage ”

I agree. It also gets forgotten in all the invective against Christians by some non-Christians who keep denouncing what Christians believe, without actually knowing what Christians believe, only what they believe they believe.
I do not deny that religious bigotry exists, I am saying that bigotry against the religious also exists.

Samj, I know you'll have noticed I said 'some' non-Christians, my post being observational, not directed against anyone or any group.


p.s.' "Vengeance is mine", saith the Lord. "I will repay".' (Romans 12:19)
samj_namesake
13-01-2010
Originally Posted by Iphigenia:
“Ah well. At least thee and me agree.



I agree. It also gets forgotten in all the invective against Christians by some non-Christians who keep denouncing what Christians believe, without actually knowing what Christians believe, only what they believe they believe.
I do not deny that religious bigotry exists, I am saying that bigotry against the religious also exists.

Samj, I know you'll have noticed I said 'some' non-Christians, my post being observational, not directed against anyone or any group.

p.s.' "Vengeance is mine", saith the Lord. "I will repay".' (Romans 12:19)”

Don't need to explain yourself to me my dear

Yes there is bigotry against religion, I believe I even defended religion only a few posts up on this very thread. There is also bigotry to non religious types as I have encountered being chased through the streets of my home town demanding I embrace the lord or go to hell by some bible bashing nut (that was not intended as an insult to all Christians, just to show radicals do exist within religion )

As I believe I also pointed out, religion itself is not good or bad, it's how it's used and unfortunately sometimes it can be used to "justify" acts of extreme evilness.
Iphigenia
13-01-2010
Originally Posted by samj_namesake:
“Don't need to explain yourself to me my dear

Yes there is bigotry against religion, I believe I even defended religion only a few posts up on this very thread. There is also bigotry to non religious types as I have encountered being chased through the streets of my home town demanding I embrace the lord or go to hell by some bible bashing nut (that was not intended as an insult to all Christians, just to show radicals do exist within religion )

As I believe I also pointed out, religion itself is not good or bad, it's how it's used and unfortunately sometimes it can be used to "justify" acts of extreme evilness.”

:kiss: :kiss:
missholland
13-01-2010
Personally I don't see what's so cool about her,she just shouts a lot,says offensive things,and is (in my humble opinion)EXTREMELY irritating.
Pasta
13-01-2010
She's spiteful, short-sighted, and hypocritical (given her own departure from traditional Muslim behaviour). That's probably the point - she will always come a cropper and never learn any lesson i.e. she's a classic soap character. But not remotely cool.
lotty27
13-01-2010
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“Okay this is my opinion...

I'm a huge supporter of Christian and Syed. Love them, want them together and as an individual I have nothing negative to say about homosexuality. The way I see it, you don't chose who you love.

Though I don't hate Zainab, yet. I disagree with the people who say she's completely homophobic, though I can understand why people draw that conclusion. Personally, I'm not using Zainabs religion as an 'excuse' but let's not pretend that it's not a huge factor either. She has been bought up with strong religious values and how homosexuality isn't acceptable in Islam. That's been imbedded within her before she moved to England. It's clear from her attitude towards Christian, before she learned of his affair with her son, that she liked him and held no hostility towards him being gay. She showed some ignorance "they do those horrible homosexual things in public toilets and such" and "Can you dress a little less.... gay" but overall, she had nothing against him personally. She even showed to be bothered when there seemed to be lack of compassion on Syed's part when Christian was beaten up. Her exact words to Ian was "Yes I know Christian is a homosexual and we have to make allowances for that but for Syed to remain completely indifferent on the face of human suffering... that is NOT how I bought him up". Earlier she was talking about how Christian was possibly 'gay bashed' and how ‘awful’ it was. AtBushra’s party in June, after Christian outed himself as gay, she said to him ‘As far as I’m concerned you can live your life however you please…just not in my faith’. She wasn’t angry that he spoke about being gay, she was angry that he spoke about it to people of her culture. In her eyes, it was done in poor taste (though in my eyes it wasn’t).

For me, it shows that Zainab is no gay rights activist but she's not all out homophobe either. If she had a real problem with Christians sexuality, she would have never worked with him. All those derogatory comments she made towards Christian on the day of Syed’s wedding was a result of her thinking Christian was infatuated with her son and her fear as a Muslim mother that it would ruin her families reputation. I’m certainly not excusing what she said. Her comments were totally out of line and like I said, I can understand why some people would interpret that as homophobic. In the context of that scene, maybe it was but over all as a character I can’t say Zainab is homophobic. Her values on homosexuality are driven from religion, not her as an individual.

For the record, I don’t agree with her emotionally blackmailing her son to get married or her views on homosexuality, religious or not. Though it’s all very realistically done and while I can’t agree with her comments, I can somehow emphathise. It’s clear that she is a very desperate woman now and she’s trying to convince herself that her son isn’t gay and what she did was truely for the best. In typical fashion though, it’ll all come back to bite her.

Just my two pence worth.”

And in my humble opinion your two pence worth is absolutely fantastic. What a great post and summed up what I've been thinking but not able to put into words


Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“Nope. It was his religion.He quoted the Koran at me. Alot of it was his socialisation but that little book he worships structured alot of his prejudices.

Its not just muslims gays get crap off - its Christians too.

Why does religion make prejudices alright? There is no evidence of god - its all a delusion. They are basing their life on a medieval set of thinking. The whole thing is a house of cards.

Thats why I cant stand Zainab in this - her religon doesnt really exist.”

broadshoulder I feel for you being treated like a leper by your colleague. There is absolutely no excuse for that kind of behaviour IMO.

And I'm saying this with respect but please don't justify your opinions by slating the religious beliefs of others. It's making yourself almost as bad as them and doesn't do you justice.

I'm not religious myself but I think that people have the right to believe what they want and worship in peace, but also to leave others in peace. I understand that you must be frustrated, that what you see as fiction is dictating to some people that they should treat you like this, but whether you believe in it or not is immaterial to most believers - THEY believe it and that's what counts to them. If they were TRUE believers IMO they'd be praying for your soul (even if you don't want them to!) not treating you like a bad smell.

It saddens and maddens me that in our so called enlightened age that what you described still happens
Deschanel
13-01-2010
It's Zainab's complexities and layers, which allows me to understand where she's coming from, and still love her. Her opinions are wrong, and uncool, but they come from her culture/religion/upbringing, all of which has instilled the belief that homosexuality is wrong. Zainab is a well rounded character, and there is more to her than just her religion; had this been a more one dimensional character, and that same level of acceptance probably wouldn't be there.

BUT, regardless of whether her views are a result of fear, it is the fact that she holds these views, which make her homophobic. There is no grey area on that. But there is a grey area on why she holds these opinions. If Zainab wasn't homophobic, then she would never have said all that she did, regardless of her emotional state. Sure, in the heat of the moment she might have said one anti-gay thing, but she unleashed a tsunami of abuse, which indicated that she holds homophobic views.

Originally Posted by Iphigenia:
“Back at religion:
Many millions of Christians are not homophobes but believe homosexuality is wrong.”

To me, that sounds a bit like an oxymoron. How can someone believe homosexuality is wrong, but not be a homophobe? It's like someone who is against mixed raced marriages, and saying they're not a racist. But they have to be, otherwise they wouldn't believe it's wrong.
kyri
13-01-2010
I don't see how Jane is jealous of Zainab.
maria01
13-01-2010
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“It's Zainab's complexities and layers, which allows me to understand where she's coming from, and still love her. Her opinions are wrong, and uncool, but they come from her culture/religion/upbringing, all of which has instilled the belief that homosexuality is wrong. Zainab is a well rounded character, and there is more to her than just her religion; had this been a more one dimensional character, and that same level of acceptance probably wouldn't be there.

BUT, regardless of whether her views are a result of fear, it is the fact that she holds these views, which make her homophobic. There is no grey area on that. But there is a grey area on why she holds these opinions. If Zainab wasn't homophobic, then she would never have said all that she did, regardless of her emotional state. Sure, in the heat of the moment she might have said one anti-gay thing, but she unleashed a tsunami of abuse, which indicated that she holds homophobic views.


To me, that sounds a bit like an oxymoron. How can someone believe homosexuality is wrong, but not be a homophobe? It's like someone who is against mixed raced marriages, and saying they're not a racist. But they have to be, otherwise they wouldn't believe it's wrong.”

you know I had this conversation earlier today with some colleagues

how can you say that you don't want that life style but then say your not homophobic .. well its the same as saying i don't believe in sex before marriage .. yet don't hate all people who have sex before marriage ... or i don't believe in alcohol or gambling doesn't mean i hate all that drink and do alcohol... or I don't believe in abortion but don't hate everyone who has a abortion....


the differential is hate ... a irrational judgement of superiority ...

with out the hate and the irrational judgement what you have is too different groups of people with one different views on life style....
<<
<
3 of 3
>>
>
VIEW DESKTOP SITE TOP

JOIN US HERE

  • Facebook
  • Twitter

Hearst Corporation

Hearst Corporation

DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK

© 2015 Hearst Magazines UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 72 Broadwick Street, London, W1F 9EP. Registered in England 112955. All rights reserved.

  • Terms & Conditions
  • Privacy Policy
  • Cookie Policy
  • Complaints
  • Site Map