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Old 19-09-2012, 16:11
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When do you think the channels will come on air?
*polishes crystal ball....

I confidently predict 21:13 last night (within 5 mins).
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Old 19-09-2012, 20:15
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*polishes crystal ball....

I confidently predict 21:13 last night (within 5 mins).
Just retuned the hotel TV here in Cheadle and enjoying the delights of duplicate Argos TV!
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:01
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Manchester has extra capacity that was for use by former local station Channel M. London will have a local TV multiplex soon.
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:03
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Will the new London local TV multiplex be available in the South East as well in the 800s?
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:13
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Will the new London local TV multiplex be available in the South East as well in the 800s?
No, it won't. It'll be for London only. The local TV channel for London on channel 8 plus two extra videostreams, on yet allocated channel numbers. Also note the context of the Twitter conversation.
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:18
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No, it won't. It'll be for London only. The local TV channel for London on channel 8 plus two extra videostreams, on yet allocated channel numbers. Also note the context of the Twitter conversation.
Well London has 24/7 Argos to look forward to then.
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:22
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Well London has 24/7 Argos to look forward to then.
Not neccessarily. Any deal between Canis Media and broadcasters to transmit on the "Manchester Television Network" as they call it does not equate to a carriage deal in the future on the new local multiplexes.
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:32
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Not neccessarily. Any deal between Canis Media and broadcasters to transmit on the "Manchester Television Network" as they call it does not equate to a carriage deal in the future on the new local multiplexes.
Will the new local multiplexes.be UK wide or just Manchester & London?
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:32
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Will the new London local TV multiplex be available in the South East as well in the 800s?
The local london multiplex has a restricted coverage area - even parts of south london won't get it.
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:38
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http://canismedia.co.uk/manchester-t...-october-2012/

More channel still to come for Manchester.
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Old 23-09-2012, 20:47
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They'll be proper linear channels and here's what they said:

The 6 new channels will include movie channels, shopping channels and the first Asian broadcaster to broadcast on Freeview.

It sound like they've got all those new channel slots already filled.
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Old 23-09-2012, 21:53
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Are these IPTV? Surely there isn't space for 10 channels on a local multiplex, unless it's configured like a normal multiplex?
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Old 23-09-2012, 22:56
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The local london multiplex has a restricted coverage area - even parts of south london won't get it.
The latest London local engineering plan is for enhanced coverage with a 20kW ERP. If so coverage would be similar to pre-DSO.
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Old 23-09-2012, 22:59
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what rubbish are they gonna be broadcasting now.
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Old 23-09-2012, 23:00
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Are these IPTV? Surely there isn't space for 10 channels on a local multiplex, unless it's configured like a normal multiplex?
The current Manchester configuration allows for a total of six TV channels. Arqiva got up to nine on one 16QAM mux, but that was with the latest encoders not the second hand stuff being used in Manchester.
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Old 23-09-2012, 23:19
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what rubbish are they gonna be broadcasting now.
I assume that stuff like Movies4Men, Thane Direct and Sony SAB or similar will be on the menu to fill up those channel slots. Come on, you just know you want more teleshopping, dazb.
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Old 24-09-2012, 08:28
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The latest London local engineering plan is for enhanced coverage with a 20kW ERP. If so coverage would be similar to pre-DSO.
Do you have a link Ray? Does it include coverage map or antenna template?
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Old 24-09-2012, 11:47
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It's hidden away on the Ofcom website. On travels at the moment (DS Forums and Ofcom site very fiddly on mobile devices!), but its somewhere on http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...l-tv-services/

EDIT: http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binari...erage-note.pdf
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Old 24-09-2012, 14:48
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Complete and utter rubbish more shopping haha i think not. Fortunatley i pay for Sky seeing im left with little alternative as im a big lover of sport mainly football.
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Old 24-09-2012, 16:59
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The latest London local engineering plan is for enhanced coverage with a 20kW ERP. If so coverage would be similar to pre-DSO.
I was under the impression that the pre-DSO DTT antenna was close to the top of the CP mast (219m)?

The proposed local antennas will be mounted at 127m. The radiation pattern indicates at least a 1 dB restriction i.e. ~ 15 kW max ERP.

The 127 m will reduce the area covered, but with the lover modulation/FEC the signal may well be much more robust - where available.

A 20kW DVB-T2 16-QAM CR=1/2 would have a bitrate of 15 Mbps and be as robust as the 200kW main CP muxes - except for the lower TX antenna.

DVb-T2 has been broadcast from CP for 2 1/2 years now. How many FreeviewHD receivers are already active in the area covered? How many before this local mux can start ?

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Old 24-09-2012, 17:05
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Oh Gawd, I can see it now - more friggin' shopping channels, a music channel with about 6 viewers and the obligatory Asian stasian.
And all of them in Super Misty Vision.
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Old 24-09-2012, 20:53
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15 Mbps with 6 channels? Hahahahaha no thanks.
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Old 25-09-2012, 00:05
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It's hidden away on the Ofcom website. On travels at the moment (DS Forums and Ofcom site very fiddly on mobile devices!), but its somewhere on http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...l-tv-services/

EDIT: http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binari...erage-note.pdf
Thanks a516 - I had seen the draft of that document but not the final version including the 'enhanced' London coverage.

LOL @ 'In the light of comments from potential licence applicants, a revised technical plan has been prepared in order to provide improved coverage compared to the baseline coverage technical plan for this site.'


To be read as 'Jeremy, us big boys are only really interested in the London licence and you have let us down by not allowing us to reach the advertising account holders who live in the home counties. Give us our licence to print money and get those OFCOM people to let us turn the wick up or we will walk away from your pet project'...
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Old 01-10-2012, 21:18
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Signal of the Manchester Multiplex seems much stronger than when Channel M was on air. (here in Stockport anyway)

EPG data seems to be there for most channels now:

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Old 15-10-2012, 12:58
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There seems to be some sort of change partly underway this lunchtime. The LCN tables as broadcast across all muxes from Winter Hill are showing a new LCN on the Manchester mux - using the temporary LCN of 790:
Code:
0000:  75 01 fc 3b 74 81 fc 39  75 41 ff 16 74 c1 fc 3a   u..;t..9uA..t..:
0010:  74 41 fc 38                                        tA.8
also in the Transport Descriptor it shows as:
Code:
service_ID: 30017 (0x7541)[ --> refers to PMT program_number]
service_type: 1 (0x01)  [= digital television service]
However there's no new PIDs on the Manchester mux yet, so the channel isn't yet being broadcast.
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