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potential name: CAPITAL TV
As title, I just tried the dvbtools scan command, and it has dug out the name - "CAPITAL TV" for the new channel that isn't yet being broadcast.
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As title, I just tried the dvbtools scan command, and it has dug out the name - "CAPITAL TV" for the new channel that isn't yet being broadcast.
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The channel names appear to be stored in the SDT which is PID 17 - and isn't a PID that my scripts regularly check as the automated stuff is just supposed to alert me to significant changes.
Here's what the entire packet related to the Manchester Mux looks like (captured from the HD mux): Code:
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SECT-Packet: 00000008 PID: 17 (0x0011), Length: 115 (0x0073)
Time received: Mon 2012-10-15 17:18:45.637
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PID: 17 (0x0011) [= assigned for: DVB Service Description Table (SDT), Bouquet Association Table (BAT)]
Guess table from table id...
SDT-decoding....
Table_ID: 70 (0x46) [= Service Description Table (SDT) - other transport stream]
section_syntax_indicator: 1 (0x01)
reserved_1: 1 (0x01)
reserved_2: 3 (0x03)
Section_length: 112 (0x0070)
Transport_Stream_ID: 29697 (0x7401)
reserved_3: 3 (0x03)
Version_number: 8 (0x08)
current_next_indicator: 1 (0x01) [= valid now]
Section_number: 0 (0x00)
Last_Section_number: 0 (0x00)
Original_network_ID: 9018 (0x233a) [= UK Digital Terrestrial Television | Independent Television Commission]
reserved_4: 255 (0xff)
Service_id: 29761 (0x7441) [= --> refers to PMT program_number]
reserved_1: 63 (0x3f)
EIT_schedule_flag: 1 (0x01)
EIT_present_following_flag: 1 (0x01)
Running_status: 4 (0x04) [= running]
Free_CA_mode: 0 (0x00) [= unscrambled]
Descriptors_loop_length: 15 (0x000f)
DVB-DescriptorTag: 72 (0x48) [= service_descriptor]
descriptor_length: 13 (0x0d)
service_type: 1 (0x01) [= digital television service]
service_provider_name_length: 0 (0x00)
service_provider_name: ""
service_name_length: 10 (0x0a)
Service_name: "movies4men" -- Charset: Latin alphabet
Service_id: 29825 (0x7481) [= --> refers to PMT program_number]
reserved_1: 63 (0x3f)
EIT_schedule_flag: 1 (0x01)
EIT_present_following_flag: 1 (0x01)
Running_status: 4 (0x04) [= running]
Free_CA_mode: 0 (0x00) [= unscrambled]
Descriptors_loop_length: 14 (0x000e)
DVB-DescriptorTag: 72 (0x48) [= service_descriptor]
descriptor_length: 12 (0x0c)
service_type: 1 (0x01) [= digital television service]
service_provider_name_length: 0 (0x00)
service_provider_name: ""
service_name_length: 9 (0x09)
Service_name: "mov4men+1" -- Charset: Latin alphabet
Service_id: 29889 (0x74c1) [= --> refers to PMT program_number]
reserved_1: 63 (0x3f)
EIT_schedule_flag: 1 (0x01)
EIT_present_following_flag: 1 (0x01)
Running_status: 4 (0x04) [= running]
Free_CA_mode: 0 (0x00) [= unscrambled]
Descriptors_loop_length: 13 (0x000d)
DVB-DescriptorTag: 72 (0x48) [= service_descriptor]
descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b)
service_type: 1 (0x01) [= digital television service]
service_provider_name_length: 0 (0x00)
service_provider_name: ""
service_name_length: 8 (0x08)
Service_name: "SONY SAB" -- Charset: Latin alphabet
Service_id: 29953 (0x7501) [= --> refers to PMT program_number]
reserved_1: 63 (0x3f)
EIT_schedule_flag: 1 (0x01)
EIT_present_following_flag: 1 (0x01)
Running_status: 4 (0x04) [= running]
Free_CA_mode: 0 (0x00) [= unscrambled]
Descriptors_loop_length: 18 (0x0012)
DVB-DescriptorTag: 72 (0x48) [= service_descriptor]
descriptor_length: 16 (0x10)
service_type: 1 (0x01) [= digital television service]
service_provider_name_length: 0 (0x00)
service_provider_name: ""
service_name_length: 13 (0x0d)
Service_name: "ARGOS TV 24/7" -- Charset: Latin alphabet
Service_id: 30017 (0x7541) [= --> refers to PMT program_number]
reserved_1: 63 (0x3f)
EIT_schedule_flag: 0 (0x00)
EIT_present_following_flag: 0 (0x00)
Running_status: 4 (0x04) [= running]
Free_CA_mode: 0 (0x00) [= unscrambled]
Descriptors_loop_length: 15 (0x000f)
DVB-DescriptorTag: 72 (0x48) [= service_descriptor]
descriptor_length: 13 (0x0d)
service_type: 1 (0x01) [= digital television service]
service_provider_name_length: 0 (0x00)
service_provider_name: ""
service_name_length: 10 (0x0a)
Service_name: "CAPITAL TV" -- Charset: Latin alphabet
CRC: 2818664786 (0xa8016952)
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I suppose the timing of this new channel Freeview Manchester launch CAPITAL TV coincides with its launch a few days ago on satellite, proving that the Manchester Network is sourced from 28.2ºE off air.
Will the 6th stream be HEART TV?
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Will the 6th stream be HEART TV?
![]() I've now had chance to have a hack at the SDT, so I should get an alert if any of the channel names change or new ones appear. One strange thing is that the SDT from Winter Hill includes entries for S4/C, BBC ONE Wales, BBC TWO Wales, ITV1 Wales, Radio Wales and Radio Cymru. I don't really have any explanations for this, though it is clearly not an issue. Do any other regions have spurious data in their SDTs? Maybe it is something to do with Storeton's 3 extra muxes pointing at Wales? (Not that I'm receiving from Storeton) |
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That certainly seems plausible if Global Radio haven't got a paying customer lined up in the wings. I'm assuming that Global are now the mux owner since they took over GMG Radio.
I've now had chance to have a hack at the SDT, so I should get an alert if any of the channel names change or new ones appear. One strange thing is that the SDT from Winter Hill includes entries for S4/C, BBC ONE Wales, BBC TWO Wales, ITV1 Wales, Radio Wales and Radio Cymru. I don't really have any explanations for this, though it is clearly not an issue. Do any other regions have spurious data in their SDTs? Maybe it is something to do with Storeton's 3 extra muxes pointing at Wales? (Not that I'm receiving from Storeton) I think that certain N Wales coastal viewers are supposed to receive PSB muxes from Storeton Wales (relay of Moel y Parc) with COM from Winter Hill. Hence the possibility of duplicating PSB regional channels from Winter Hill. BTW do you get CAPITAL TV as a placeholder on LCN790 (or whatever) if you scan the local Gtr Manchester mux? |
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BTW do you get CAPITAL TV as a placeholder on LCN790 (or whatever) if you scan the local Gtr Manchester mux?
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Yes, I did try scanning one box earlier and 790 appeared named as CAPITAL TV.
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Global did not buy the Channel M mux and transmitter hardware; a subsidiary of Canis Media did. There was a reference to it somewhere; maybe on this thread!
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Originally Posted by @ukdtt
Former Channel M mux officially transferred to Entertainment TV Ltd aka @CanisMedia http://spectruminfo.ofcom.org.uk/spe...adeRef=2138491 #freeview#localtv
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http://mobile.twitter.com/ukdtt/stat...24896245768193
http://spectruminfo.ofcom.org.uk/spe...adeRef=2138491 Don't think it made it to this thread, but hey, it's here now! |
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CAPITAL TV - LCN 56 - now running
CAPITAL TV is now running - LCN 56. The video and audio PIDs appeared approx 11:25 , so about 25 minutes after the LCN changes.
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CAPITAL TV is now running - LCN 56. The video and audio PIDs appeared approx 11:25 , so about 25 minutes after the LCN changes.
Wasn't Movies4Men on 56? |
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May I ask what is the current Manchester line-up?
Sony SAB TV. Argos TV 24/7 Capital TV. |
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May I ask what is the current Manchester line-up?
52 mov4men+1 53 SONY SAB 54 ARGOS TV 24/7 (55 is a national Argos channel with limited hours) 56 CAPITAL TV The delay to moving the HD channels up to 101-104 meant that the relaunch of the G_MAN mux had to use temporary numbers 56-59. |
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Thank you Quote:
51 movies4men
52 mov4men+1 53 SONY SAB 54 ARGOS TV 24/7 (55 is a national Argos channel with limited hours) 56 CAPITAL TV The delay to moving the HD channels up to 101-104 meant that the relaunch of the G_MAN mux had to use temporary numbers 56-59. |
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Movies4Men and +1
Sony SAB TV. Argos TV 24/7 Capital TV. |
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Your link takes me to a blank page (as it did when it was posted on Twitter), however http://spectruminfo.ofcom.org.uk/spe...adeRef=2219132 shows the details
This is the licence itself, maybe this link will continue to work: http://spectruminfo.ofcom.org.uk/spe...Find%20licence |
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There's something weird with Ofcom's site as both of those are blank for me now.
This is the licence itself, maybe this link will continue to work: http://spectruminfo.ofcom.org.uk/spe...Find%20licence |
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Does this mean Manchester is the capital of the UK now?
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Does this mean Manchester is the capital of the UK now?
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All of these channels will be on every major transmitter eventually. It's just that they trialled this "local TV mux" thing in Manchester first, presumably because there wasn't space in London due to the temporary HD mux being there.
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All of these channels will be on every major transmitter eventually. It's just that they trialled this "local TV mux" thing in Manchester first, presumably because there wasn't space in London due to the temporary HD mux being there.
The existing two could be used for anything. Whilst Manchester's did start out with local TV on it, it no longer does, and the fact that the Cardiff one is still not on-air (the licensee having also put in a joke of a PSB local channel application, which Ofcom quite rightly rejected), shows that what we're going to get is likely to be a massive improvement over what we would have got. Manchester get a few extra channels due to the quirk of history, and they will get the PSB local multiplex too! But the Manchester multiplex or a variant thereof will not appear everywhere (although it could conceivably turn up in Cardiff) because any such auction has been delayed indefinitely and will likely only be held on a national level now if it does go ahead. |
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Surely the PSB Local TV muxes will have capacity that can house these currently-Manchester-only channels?
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Global did not buy the Channel M mux and transmitter hardware; a subsidiary of Canis Media did. There was a reference to it somewhere; maybe on this thread!
I think that certain N Wales coastal viewers are supposed to receive PSB muxes from Storeton Wales (relay of Moel y Parc) with COM from Winter Hill. |
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Doesn't Storeton have COM as well? Although obviously it is Winter Hill relay.
(The Storeton COM muxes are very directional towards NNE (Liverpool)) and gorup A and V polarized. Winter Hill and Storeton Wales PSB muxes are both group C/D H. Lars
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