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The problem with channel m is that it is not in the normal LCN area for tv channels. I think it needs to move to a lower LCN number to increase veiwers and potential advertisers.
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This is true, and surprisingly the issue of keeping local TV down the list was strongly supported in the recent consultation over Freeview / digital terrestrial channel numbering.
However should this new "high profile" Sky channel coming to the Manchester multiplex be let's say a general entertainment channel, I would have thought it would have been better to give it a channel number at the end of the general entertainment section. The channel is due May, so technical changes would probably need to be done next week if it was to actually go live on the 1st, as the 1st is on a Sunday, and technical changes don't normally take place then. |
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This is true, and surprisingly the issue of keeping local TV down the list was strongly supported in the recent consultation over Freeview / digital terrestrial channel numbering.
However should this new "high profile" Sky channel coming to the Manchester multiplex be let's say a general entertainment channel, I would have thought it would have been better to give it a channel number at the end of the general entertainment section. Quote:
The channel is due May, so technical changes would probably need to be done next week if it was to actually go live on the 1st, as the 1st is on a Sunday, and technical changes don't normally take place then.
Not only a Sunday, but a Bank Holiday weekend. The placeholder would have to be up Thursday latest.PS I'm also amazed at the lack of speculation in this thread! |
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Mildly offtopic, but aside from this and the Irish mux in Northern Ireland, are there any other local muxes/are any others planned/in negotiations?
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Jeremy Hunt's "Channel 6" plan has put everything on hold for now. |
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Well, it's hardly 'on hold'. There is a plan and it is progressing to a timetable:
http://www.dcms.gov.uk/what_we_do/br...ting/7722.aspx So the first local stations are planned to be licenced in Summer 2012. |
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...but I don't think many can still receive the Manchester local multiplex...
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This is true, and surprisingly the issue of keeping local TV down the list was strongly supported in the recent consultation over Freeview / digital terrestrial channel numbering.
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So who could the "high profile" Sky broadcaster be?
Well many channels on Sky at the moment are at least partly owned by Sky themselves, but then there are the noticable independents out there... CNN - described their last time on Freeview as a test... once the carriage contract expired. CBS Channels - but would they count as being a high profile broadcaster? Sony - FTV via Sky, but again - would you already consider such a new channel to be "high profile"? Eurosport - Has been on FTA digital terrestrial in Germany, but since they days of having one pan-european feed on Astra 19.2E most of their distribution outlets across the continent have been pay TV. German DTT streams withdrawn in some regions. Information TV - with such a niche format, they might want to dip their toe into the world of Freeview to see if Freeviewers would watch their unusual mix of programming. Already shown an interest in coming to Freeview, and the organisation already provides Russia Today on the digital terrestrial platform. But hardly high-profile, I hear you say. A UKTV channel - unlikely, they already have capacity on Freeview and would not need to try a service on a regional basis. QVC - wanting to try out their new channel QVC Beauty, like Ideal World gave us Ideal Extra for a few months in 2010. That reminds me: Ideal Extra went off air earlier than was announced and we got TV News2 24/7 for a whole month. Ideal Extra has never been seen again on Freeview. NBC Universal - operate numerous services on satellite, and the organisation was reportedly in the running for early additional slots on Mux C and D in 2004-2006 that ultimately got snapped up by ITV (Men & Motors>ITV Play>ITV2+1>ITV4) and Channel 4 (E4, E4+1, More 4+1>Film4). And to please you-know-who: CNBC. I somehow doubt they'll offer a regional service in Manchester. London perhaps. Not Manchester. Unlike channel 45.... we'll know in a fortnight. |
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Well, it's hardly 'on hold'. There is a plan and it is progressing to a timetable:
http://www.dcms.gov.uk/what_we_do/br...ting/7722.aspx So the first local stations are planned to be licenced in Summer 2012. |
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If the consultation results in GI spectrum being the favoured method of distribution then 'Local Multiplexes' will be used for the new 'Channel 6' network of local stations.
The additional capacity in these multiplexes could then be used for other services in the same way as Channel M is doing. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/consul...lan_190111.pdf |
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If the consultation results in GI spectrum being the favoured method of distribution then 'Local Multiplexes' will be used for the new 'Channel 6' network of local stations.
No more local muxes can be licensed until Ofcom know the spectrum requirements for C6. They probably won't be fully known until the winner of the C6 licence is decided. |
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Cube Interactive might spring into life from Wenvoe, because the local frequency changes to UHF30 with the retune on 27/4/11. Well it probably won't, but here's hoping.
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Earlier published plans had channel 57 released at Wrekin DSO2 tonight, after which Channel M was allowed to widen its beam. Looks like this is delayed until September at the earliest as The Wrekin is hanging onto channel 57 for a while longer now.
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I would be right annoyed if this channel turns out to be a worthwhile channel and only people in Manchester can get it.
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I would be right annoyed if this channel turns out to be a worthwhile channel and only people in Manchester can get it.
I am pleased with this news as it gives alternative channels a financial viable option to get on Freeview. This "high profile Sky channel" can launch on Winter Hill transmitter so their initial transmission costs will be low. And as the 7th mux (geographic interleaved spectrum) progressively gets added to the other main transmitters, this channel can expand its reach to other UK cities. It is a copy of the GMG Radio business plan. They started as single stations and by progressively expanding, Smooth and Real Radio are now available in most of the high-populated regions. DTT is already 2 tier - Freeview Lite v Freeview - so this does not change the status quo. The UHF spectrum is limited and this decision ensures that it is used in a constructive way for the benefit of the tv viewer.[list=1][*]All transmitters (3 muxes) : Freeview Lite Includes public service tv, radio and HD[*]Main transmitter (6 muxes) : Freeview Includes Freeview Lite and channels like ITV4, Film4, 5★[*]Main transmitter (7 muxes) : with low power geographic interleaved spectrum Includes Freeview, local tv and room for "high profile Sky channel(s)"[/list] |
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Ch 202 MANCHESTERLOVE has been "depublished" according to the DMOL channel list.
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Something has changed on the mux as well - 202 is still there and broadcasting video (was there ever any audio?), however if you do a rescan it vanishes - only Channel M on 200 remains.
Annoyingly now the trees are in leaf I can't get a good enough signal to my pc to look at the mux further. |
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Something has changed on the mux as well - 202 is still there and broadcasting video (was there ever any audio?), however if you do a rescan it vanishes - only Channel M on 200 remains.
We're likely to find out tomorrow anyway - I can't see them making changes over the BH weekend. |
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The video is still text-based dating adverts. I'm not in a position to say whether or not there are minor changes, but it isn't a new channel - yet.
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And we have an answer!
Sometime this afternoon the signal strength/quality has changed slightly and I can get a lock on the mux again with my pc card. By 6pm, the following was detected: [7002]:762000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_1_2:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:2323:2324:28674 It has no channel name yet (hence the [7002]), and scanning with a TV doesn't find it, but I can see it on the pc and the feed is.... (pause for dramatic effect) .... movies4men |
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![]() Let us know the LCN when it appears. And is MANCHESTERLOVE completely gone? |
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Yes, the MANCHESTERLOVE pids have been removed - they had gone when my automated script ran at 6pm, so it never saw both [7002] and MANCHESTERLOVE at the same time.
Pidscan now shows: dvbsnoop V1.4.50 -- http://dvbsnoop.sourceforge.net/For those who like their bandwidth stats, you can compare Channel M video on 32 packets read: 21/(15736) d_time: 0.001 s = 31584.000 kbit/s (Avrg: 1533.528 kbit/s) [bad: 0]to the new 2323 PID: packets read: 43/(8196) d_time: 0.001 s = 64672.000 kbit/s (Avrg: 3080.156 kbit/s) [bad: 0](edit: 23/32 typo) |
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LOL Movies4Men is not a high profile sky channel
Its one of those cheep FTA rubbish ones. Dont think I am too bothered about this one been manchester only. |
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Do you think they chose Movies4Men because of the preponderance of "M"s? Calling it a "Sky" channel is misleading as it also appears on Freesat. In fact the owners of the channel put their newest channel Men & Movies exclusively on Freesat for a while. So it should really NOT be described as a Sky channel.
Greebo make sure you post in the Changelog. |
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