svbn? thats sky buying you line and fiddling with equiptment, the onlyother thin is 21cn or fibre

Could you repeat that in English please?

Cheers mate.

(Sky Voice and Broadband Network)

its like llu, but sky BUY your line from bt, add sky stuff in it so its like llu but they have also added their phone equiptment
fully unbundled. so its really new equiptment.

21cn is bt new network they re rolling out for better broadband and phone

fibre or fttc mean better broadband speeds up to 100mb tested i think

They actually lease the line(MPF(metallic path facility)) from us, and can then put whatever they like down it.

SMPF (shared mettalic path) is where you are still connected to BT's exchange equipment but your broadband is provided by another LLU(local loop unbundling) operator, such as SKY, O2, TalkTalk.

A fully unbundled line is where the LLU provider also provides the voice side of the line out of their equipment in our exchanges. dial 17070 and listen to Zoe on a sky LLU line(sounds tasty(for an american))

O2 have just mainly concentrated on the BB side of the LLU market but are now moving into the voice side of the market. You will only be able to get the O2 cheap line rental if your exchange has been un-bundled by them. www.samknows.com to check. other wise they will still be using BT's exchange equipment to provide your dialtone and the O2 access product(re-sold BT wholesale) to provide your b/b.

FTTC (fibre to the cabinet) is being deployed by us and will be available to all the CP's (comms providers) to use to deliver their services to their EU's (end users) on the enabled exchanges. see post in b/b forum.

hang on, whats happening with 21cn then? thats gone quiet and fttc never goes to smaller exchanges

look up Beamish exchange NEBEA, supposedly 21cn this year, id love to see that i really would, fttc would make me die. bt dont care

going off what o2 are syin thy will be like sky oinginally, paying o2 your line rental, but they arent doing what sky did with svbn yet because o2 have included acess with there tables, showing that it can be taken on non-llu exchanges

edit- a bt ad just came on upto 20mb, bullshight

Thanks for clarifying how it works "behind the scenes".

They certainly can't 'put down it what they like'. There will definitely be voltage and current limitations. If you mean whatever services they like (subject to cable limitations), then yes.

Shared metallic path - is that a new word for a pair of wires within a cable? I love it! It's like the old 80s buzzwords!

lol. sorry forgot to put the tech specs in.

21CN is to do with the project to move the main trunk network over to an IP based platform, so that they can squeeze more through the pipes and make the network more effiecient.(my spellings horrendous).

all exchanges will be migrated onto 21CN, this will have no impact in improvement to b/b speeds.

FTTC is a project run by us, and the exchanges chosen in each phase and as funding becomes available, are chosen purely on a commercial value and via consultation with our customers(your ISP's).

okay answer this, how many PEOJECTS have bt got on now? i hear infinity is being rolled out, to some green cabnets or fttc and 21cn.

why dont bt do all the 21cn now, then its the most uptodate network, then replace att the cabinets with fiber, then sky, bt, vm can add ftthome.

why is it taking soo long to do the 21cn?

12.50£ a month for anytime to UK and 20 countries are a lot, i'm on euphony and its only 5.95£ month for anytime UK landline plus 38 countries..


its 6.49£ month for new customer plus Bt line rent for anytime UK landline and anytime to 38 countries land line...
http://www.euphony.com/euCall/ProductSelect.aspx

Can't find those prices on the website quoted, in fact I see, when comparing like for like (call package including line rental):

O2: £9.50 Free Evening and Weekend Calls inc Line Rental
Euphony: £10.47 Free Evening and Weekend Calls inc Line Rental http://www.euphony.com/home/home-phone.aspx

Euphony: £14.45 Anytime call package. No free international calls. Includes line rental. https://www.euphony.com/euCall/SignUp.aspx

O2 is cheaper.

...EDIT and Euphony are in administration http://www.euphony.com/uploadedFiles...ditors-FTI.PDF

^^
open link
http://www.euphony.com/euCall/ProductSelect.aspx

tick Calls, International Calls and anytime and rest should be untick...then proceed to continue and u will find the 6.49£ a month deal but its without line rent,

some people always wanted to keep bt as line rental provider so its good for them...u never know when ur line have problem and only BT can fixed that and don't want to pay lots of money to BT bcz i'm not BT customer...

I'm using euphony from more then 3 years and always happy with it....

As far Euphony are in administration then its only the Euphony business and not residential service so not to worry
http://www.euphony.com/uploadedFiles...ss-release.pdf

OK. I still think the O2 phone service looks like being a good cheaper, compliment to the O2 Broadband service, and even though your line rental would be to O2 not BT, O2 do have some good technical support (if you can get through to second line support) and if any fault is a result of external wiring (the line between the exchange and you), they deal with the cost with BT Openreach (internal wiring and you pay).

Having said that I shall see what the early reviews are from early adopters of the O2 home phone service to see if there are any problems and wait until I can see all the tariff details and small print.

^^
when BT is offering upto 40mb speed with FTTC roll out, will o2 broadband customer will get 40mb speed or its only exclusive to BT customers?....my exchange is getting FTTC in April.

i'm already with o2 broadband but BT is line rental and euphony for calls...so moving to one company with all service is very idea and yes o2 customer service is very good....unlike BT Indian based call center..which i don't like it...

A BT press release from October regarding the trials stated that Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) would be
Think Broadband forums state O2 is involved, so a future super-fast broadband product is likely from them.

See also http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ne...rials-957.html
and http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/gen...rial-isps.html

So O2 could in the future give you landline phone and super fast broadband via mobile and landline.

Even on a standard connection, O2 is often faster because they use an ADSL2+ network. (not O2 Access customers)

thanks a516 for the info.... appreciated

have no idea how many projects are running.

the 21CN side of things is more about moving the trunk network over to an IP based network to free up bandwidth. in the initial trials down south wales there were a few issues regarding the migrated exchanges could only talk to each other. this has been rectified but obviously delayed it a little. then each exchange has to be surveyed, construction works need to be done for the new runways(all newts were removed and re-housed before hand so swampy doesn't need to worry) to house the new cabling/ equipment etc. The work is being done by a dedicated team so that it is all done to the same standard and thus why it's taking a while.

with regards to the FTTC/FTTH, the initial work is being done by us using a pot of money already secured from BT and the goverment. If we manage to win the digital money that the goverment want's to spend (other companies are bidding for the work) then as this money comes in more and more cabinets/homes will have fibre available to them. unfortunately BT won't invest the money for us as we are a seperate group and have our own finances, and they don't want to spend the money for all the other CP's to come in and use the new fibre.

and finally, not all the network will be moved onto fibre, purely because of the geographic location and planning restrictions(from local councils) on the siting of the equipment needed, and more importantly the cost involved. If there isn't any interest from our customers(your isp's) then we won't put fibre in that area.

I'm not a heavy landline user, so anything that reduces the mandatory line rental I have to pay just to keep a line open for broadband is a good thing - I'll be adopting this when it comes out.

Didn't BT make noises about the availability of broadband without a voice landline a few years ago? Whatever happened to that? If I could, I'd shift everything over to broadband and VOIP with one of those providers that gives you a local STD code.

I remember reading something somewhere some time ago (!) that there wasn't a large enough demand for broadband without landline phone to make that wholesale product worthwhile offering.

For technically minded readers, and as a follow up to the topic raised in earlier posts in this thread: O2 has announced a deal with BT Wholesale that will involve a consolidation of mobile and fixed line networks into one network on BT's 21CN platform.

http://mediacentre.o2.co.uk/Press-Re...or-O2-266.aspx

o2 better hope their landline service doesn't go the way of their o2 access broadband service aka completely tits up, it is truely pathetic.

O2 access is really just BT Wholesale Broadband - not their own network. If you change supplier in non-LLU exchanges than the chances are you are just getting the same broadband service with a different name.

O2/BE's own ADSL2+ network service however performs well. Together with a landline service, this is very promising.

I note that landline phone will be available for Access customers, but at the prices quoted, I doubt if it'll be worth it.

When o2 will launch home phone service in march then can we get new land line connection from o2 or it has to be with BT only?

At the moment, no, so if you have to have a new landline installed you've got to go with someone else: http://www.homephonechoices.co.uk/ph...n-options.html

It would be a welcome step if O2 did consider offering that service. Perhaps they will once it becomes more established.