and respect for Kate Lawler as well presumably also should apply in your little highly principled internet world.

For most sensible people respect is earned.

And on that basis, Kate Lawler can whistle for it.

whit-whoo!


vava voom-threetimes!

its not high principal Vilt its a basic tenet (one of the principles on which a belief or theory is based) of life.

The problem is that Kate isn't vavavoom, though is she. She's competing for presenting - indeed any - jobs against girls that are much better looking and have more interesting personalities.

She might have had a chance if she had convinced us that she had a lovely personality - but aside from yourself and a few others (family members I often think) she's singularly failed to do that.

Pity, from her point of view, but there it is.

that is split ends my love
but as long as you are respectfull to Katie then fine

Can't promise I wont criticise tho

I agree Katie's appeal has never been about looks-It is all character and personality and enthusiasm and determination and fun and innocence.(plus a remarkably good keepy-uppy)
Most of the girls in the media and entertainment industry in front of the camera are drop dead gorgeous unless they are comedians and Kate is OK but nothing special in the looks department-it is her faults that make her so exciting-it is all character from her point of view-that is why she can succeed.
(There were 5 or 6 BB girls who were more classically pretty than Kate but they never got close to getting the public to vote for them in such large numbers)

you may smoulder in the fires of hell then

I agree that Kate is nothing special in the looks department - absolutely nothing whatsoever.

It's nice that we can agree on something.

Oh I will risk it got my factor 50000 ready

Want to borrow some of my factor 50000 darling??

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Whilst suggesting that a "specific " poster ,
is being ridiculous or petulant ,
may not be too complimentary ,
it is hardly in the same league,
as posters stating that others " in general ",
who disagree with them ,
are:-
MISOGYNIST GAYS ,
BITCHY WOMEN ,
JEALOUS QUEENS .
( Are not homophobic comments forbidden on this site ? Is not bitch worse than petulant ? )
I suspect ,
that it is this , ( " specific " versus "general " ) distinction ,
that has caused your post to receive attention,
and if so ,
then it is time for D.S. to reconsider its rules on such matters.
If this is not the distinction being drawn ,
it is time for D.S. Moderators
to give thought to whether
they are operating " even - handedly."
Either way ,
you are right to be upset .
"Justice must not only be done ,
it must be SEEN to be done."
(And , in this case , it hasn`t ! )

Apology accepted.

Why not? Thanks Merlin.

[quote=Vilt UK]I
I think you and a few others are just too rude about Kate -she has feelings too and is only trying to build a career in difficult circumstances.QUOTE]

Difficult circumstances? BB contestants laze around, argue and get drunk without any responsibilities for nine weeks and then are handed golden opportunities on a silver platter that, lets face it, they wouldn't ordinarily get. That's what BB is all about.

Meanwhile, people can go though college, learn their craft, work as a tea boy and get into an unbelieveable amout sof pressure and debt over years and still not get the opportunites BB contestants get. So please don't play the "difficult circumstances" card.

Truth is (please don't hit me anyone) is that Brian Dowling is the only ex-BB contestant to have a media career where he is respected - for the simple reason that he was lucky and with a bit of media training - was able enought to present on TV without being a total embarrasment. Although Anna, Mel, Alex and Craig have also succeeded, they, like Kate have no staying power as professionals because...Duh! They aren't professionals! They're BB contestants!

I'm starting my first BB5 column in which I will be pleading viewers to vote for the most entertaining - and not turn BB5 into TV Presenter Idol - because most ex-BBer are, well, crap at it.

(P.S Vilt UK, I've nowt againt any BB contestant. But what they have to understand is that by walking into the house - they are saying to all of us "Judge Me" so we do! But it's all fun, it's not real life )

It's not the viewers you should be pleading with, it's the producers you should be begging, for more entertaining contestants.

[quote=Emzi]

But it must have been really hard for Kate to drink so much-after all look at her figure!

Jealous?anyway surely you decided you were a teagirl?
I thought I just did?

You forgot Alison the real winner of BB3!

I actually do fundamentally disagree with you -I think with all the cable station and digital radio presenting jobs being created there is a real need for presenters we know a bit about of their character-and all the BB50 odd contestants are all nice people and deserving(yes even....) who have all been through a little character test and generally come up trumps.
As a comparison -John Leslie.

Most people are agreed the final 4 of BB3 was pretty good audience selection(and by endemol as well for those 4 in the 12-and in hindsight they were quite brave in deciding two people were so strong and deserving of a chance that they selected both even though they had met at the auditions-breaking a soft rule they have)


it may be "fun" for you but it IS real life for them-what a strange thing to say-you of all people should know they are real people with feelings and as you yourself say they have NOT had years of preparation for all the attention they may or may not get.

Which reminds me are you taking bets on when the Melanie Hill"BB ruined my Life article"will be out again this year-and which publication-only 7 weeks to go-I can't wait.

Each BB contestant gets not only a "Talk of Doom" but also sees mental heath experts to see if they can deal with the praise/criticism that BB brings. You have to be pretty emotionally tough cookie to get into the house in the first place. They then get media training, agents and advice if they take up media jobs. If they go in the house to be famous, expect to be famous, become famous, peddle their fame, we shouldn't feel too sorry for them. No-one abducted them and put them in the house and we all know how the media can turn on people. Naive, wee bunnies they ain't. They're all adults with free, informed choices. Only the BB1 lot can claim they didn't know what they were letting themselves in for - because....they didn't. But they did know they were going on TV all the same.

What they do on leaving the house it up to them an no-one else. Many BB contestants have enjoyed their micro-fame and gone back to their happy lives (Jon Tickle probably being the best example).

As the the "I don't know how to cope with the fame!" argument, well, as no BB contestant has ever even made it onto a B-List let alone A, and given that they are usually forgotten a year or two after the show finishes, It's fair to say that no BB contestant has ever got to the point where they have to not leave the house without sunglasses, a bullet-proof vest and two bodyguards!

Of course, you can drag your 15 minutes out a bit by dating controvercial people or turning up to every party in town where there is a photographer present. But then don't blame others if your face criticism. Those type of BB contestants get there all by themselves. 'Tis possible to be on BB, enjoy it, then return to normal life without people even recognising who you are.

I'm sorry to be harsh (what am I talking about - I'm always harsh!) but the "It was so hard to cope with the fame" RTV contestants are just whingers who feel they should be more famous/credible than they are.

The only time I feel sorry for them is when the RTV experince fools them into thinking they were more loved/talented/important/credible than they actually are and they sink into depression and/or drugs. Then I question why I'm a BB fan at all.
Last edited by Emzi : 10-04-2004 at 13:41

A spot on assessment Emzi.

I'll carry on throwing the tomatos with a clear conscience then.

As long as they are 'naughty tomatoes' Bystander!

Yes, great stuff Emzi...................

Perhaps I'll read your column this year.................

I generally agree with you Emzi, but not this time.

Personally I don't care how long most established and aspiring presenters have trained and worked for their time in the spotlight, most of them are still useless. I could name 20+ people presenting on the box and getting mega-salaries (and, yes, I do mean you Cat Deeley, Tim Kash Richard Bacon etc) that I'd be happy never to see again ever. Many of them owe their jobs to the telly version of the casting couch or a relative in the media - they're talentless oafs who can train until they're blue in the face but will never have an ounce of charisma - Mark Durden Smith is another prime example!

There are a number of reality people I'd be very happy to watch. And I'm sick to death of the really tiresome prejudice they get from those already on the first rung. If the latter had any talent themselves, they might be a bit more generous with others. As it is, fat chance.

It goes without saying that Kate and Jonny are excepted from my reference to "reality people", of course.

slap it on and join the Angel roasting then
(not quite sure how you are going to fit in though-it is becoming a logistical nightmare-I need IT planning support immedietly.

Awwww I been called an angel