Pause is the same as rewind it just builds up a time delay the same as rewind.

ignore this post, no delete option here.

Not sure what you are saying here, the problem appears to be that under the circumstances of loss of the end that 0.ts starts recording again from the beginnining and the file pointers now only allow replay from the beginning to the end of the current replay of the buffer. If you directly access 0.ts you are not constrained by the hdr as to which contents you can view.

The test merely confirmed that just the termination of the current programme does not reset the buffer it just continues presumably until 0.ts is full.

What am saying is that there is no need for the loss of the end of the buffer as no live programme is being watched (only a timeslipped one) So there is no need to reinitalise 0.ts under these circumstances. It should act no differently from viewing any recording.

Yes you can, what you can't do is permanently copy retrogade content from the buffer file (0.ts) to a media list recording unless you connect your hdr to a home network and copy the file containing the data to an external hard drive.

Agreed that's the bug the whole thread is about. Under some circumstances you can and do lose the end that's not in doubt, just attempting to identify the avoidable circumstances that create the problem.

Z3man thought that this always happens, it does not.

its all becoming clearer now, i deleted my question about pausing at 11.59am because i thought it was a daft question, but now i realise it wasn't, these machines aren't half complicated aren't they.

now that i know the hdr does what i want i am now sat here wondering whether to make a 5 mile trip to richer sounds to buy the hdr for £215 or make a 40 mile trip to john lewis to view and maybe buy the echostar hds-600rs for £350, i dont know if i cant justify the extra £135 and 35 miles though as i am not that bothered about having the sling features, its just what i've read so far i think it is going to be a very good pvr but its still a bit new to know for definite. john lewis are open till 7pm today so i have a bit of time to think about it.

Exactly, it is a design/implementation issue, not a tuner issue.

as some of you may have already noticed i made a mistake and went for the echostar hds-600rs which is going back due to hardware and software problems. i will definitely be going for the tried and tested foxsat hdr this time, should have it by thursday so i will be able to have a good play with it on friday as the royals have wangled me an extra day off work.

when watching itv hd can anyone tell me if the hdr lets you know whether you are watching an upscaled to hd programme of a true hd programme.

Not exactly it simply reports that the signal is 1080i. Because the signal is scaled at source there's no way to tell from the actual transmission. Pressing info though usually has the information culled from the epg rather than the actual transmission. For instance from my schedule pressing info on Emmerdale says Upscaled HD, On Corrie it says HD.

that sounds good enough too me, so in take it from that that once in the library of recorded programmes you can tell from there as well. its not a deal breaker for me or anything its just that im used to sky and that highlights the true hd programmes in orange in the epg.

Yes the prog info is stored in one of the two sidecar files that the hdr uses. Just press info twice on the recording in the media list. (The first press gives you the shortened info)

thats great, thanks for all your help over the last few days, i will end up with the right box in the end.

when i chose the echostar i just wanted something new and a bit different. from experience and reading here i now know when it comes to pvr's never by anything new to the market, the echostar is samsungesque. i have never ever known a technology like this where manufacturers can release rubbish that doesn't work properly to the market and get away with it, it would put most manufacturers of any other products out of business.

pvrs are a bit of a specialist niche product that very few makers have the expertise to make perhaps the best are Topfield and Humax. Panasonic for instance launched a Freeview twin tuner pvr, it was frankly a short lived dog. Samsungs latest offering at the moment is looking particulary buggy.

The hdr is at least a mature product, it could certainly do with a bit more grunt in the cpu department but if you can put up with the sometimes less than instant response it is generally very reliable and has capabilities so far not matched by any other (The Samsung looked promising at first having the same capability as the Humax with it's tuners handling two channels at the same time from the same transponder)

at least with the humax i know about the little niggles before i buy it as i have been researching these boxes for 2 or 3 months now and there is absolutely boat loads of info on the internet about the hdr.

when you say less than instant response, which functions are the slowest, is using the epg and changing channel slow. i read somewhere that if you go into the epg in a certain way it doesn't take time to load.

The speed of response is more to do if it is busy doing something else at the time and will process the remote control keypress when it gets round to it.

Thats exactly so - pressing guide after booting the box is one example of being slower than other times - for me the strengths greatly outweigh the weaknesses.

Pressing guide loads a whole new epg (takes about 30 sec) during the loading of the new epg response is quite slow. Pressing schedule and then red instantly loads the buffered epg from disc. It's not one particular function it depends on what the cpu is doing at the moment. For instance it could be servicing recording two HD channels, deleting an existing recording and replaying an existing HD recording all at the same time. Under the circumstances it will take a little longer to service a remote control interupt.

For me this is a great box - any niggles I have are trivial - it is still the best buy on the market to date.

i think i should be ok, im not going to over tax the box i only record about 4 or 5 programmes a week at most.

when you say the epg takes about 30 seconds to load after pressing guide, is that every time or just the first time after switching the box on from standby.

I have never worked that out. Sometimes it goes off to make sure it is fully populated and other times it will not. But it will still respond to key presses albeit maybe with delays. But you can get to the stored EPG which will have most of the info and certainly will be full for the next few days by going to the Schedule then pressing Red and this will not have any key press delays navigating through it.

If you enter the guide just after power up then there is a small delay painting the screen. Normally each time you enter the guide a background task reloads the guide info (unless you are recording at the time). - The guide remains fully functional and the only difference from normal is that the channel sound and picture are not displayed as background as it is using the tuner for the EPG data.Some other boxes don't try and display the channel background at all.

It's every time except for the following as the guide button completely renews the epg from scratch using tuner 1. If tuner 1 is being used though it's not possible to renew the guide so the buffered guide is displayed (equivalent to schedule/red).

In practice apart from after a full reset there's no need to press guide at all as the buffered epg is constantly trickle charged by data present on the actual broadcasts and renewed overnight during housekeeping operations.

I generally press schedule to see what's going to be recorded. if somethings missing press red to add it from the epg.

I've had mine for about 3 weeks now and even though I wanted to go for a more recent device, I am glad I went with the HDR. It does have the well-reported quirks but I haven't found these to be a major irritation at all.

If you've got a programmable remote then just put a macro of Schedule+Red on the Guide button and then there's no issue with the guide populating at all. My family like the guide to default to BBC1 SD and so my Guide button does Schedule+Red+1+0+1. This obviously introduces its own small delay but I still find it a much better solution than pressing the 'native' Guide button.

Hi. Is this foxsat hdr question related to this?

If I am halfway through a program, and wish I had recorded it, I rewind to the beginning and press record - it jumps back to live and records from there. All previous humax pvrs have managed to record from the beginning.