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Scrap Live BB on E4 and replace it with.......
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C.N.S
08-04-2004
I think they should scrap Live BB on C4 and have some sort of show like BBLB all day.

They could have 24/7 news and highlights from the BB house in a special built studio for it.

It would be easy enough, they could get cheap presenters from nation 217 or friendly tv or something like that.

Other shows i think they should have are:
BBLB Live after evictions
BB Breakfast: (breakfast show on C4 dedicated to BB)


Any suggestions for other shows appericated.
RKO'd
08-04-2004
No way, I like E4 footage to be streamed.

People complain enough about the editing and the situation would be made worse if we were only allowed to see selected highlights.

The reason presenters would be so cheap on nation217 or friendly tv is because they are awful at the job. E4 is a much classier channel than either of those.

Keep it as it is.
moogester
08-04-2004
No it should definitely be live streaming on E4, I like to make my own decisions about certain situations and housemates, I really don't need a second rate presenter tellingf me what I should and shouldn't be thinking.

I sincerely hope they do make changes and they have overhauled the interactive service on Sky this year it was crap (same as everything else!!) on BB4. BB3 seemed to get the interactive service just about right.
Jmoo
08-04-2004
I think a repeat of BBLB would be good early in the morning when they're all asleep, and yes definately a better interactive service.
athena2004
08-04-2004
Big Brother Live is what makes Big Brother, I Think. I Love tuning in to Live Coverage before and after evictions
Sean Sinclair
08-04-2004
As far as the Big Brother Breakfast show .. wasn't that really what Rise did? Rise really lived off Big Brother during the fourth series.. I personally enjoyed it, though.

A show presented in the Rise format, with interviews with past housemates would be cool ..
Jmoo
08-04-2004
Yes I'd certainly tune into that. It's clear that people want more 'interactive-type' shows as to just the highlights and eviction programming.
MerlinUK
08-04-2004
Originally Posted by Sean Sinclair:
“As far as the Big Brother Breakfast show .. wasn't that really what Rise did? Rise really lived off Big Brother during the fourth series.. I personally enjoyed it, though.

A show presented in the Rise format, with interviews with past housemates would be cool ..”


I could live with that as long as there are decent presenters...
How about reuniting Johnny Vaughan and Denise Van Outen?
RKO'd
08-04-2004
Originally Posted by Sean Sinclair:
“Rise really lived off Big Brother during the fourth series..”

That pretty much explains why RI:SE got axed. BB4 !
moogester
09-04-2004
Originally Posted by RKO'd:
“That pretty much explains why RI:SE got axed. BB4 !”

Although I am in now way sticking up for BB4, I thought it was as dire as everyone else, but IMO RI:SE's ratings were quite healthy for the time BB4 and then FA2 was on air. They tried after they had both finished to keep that audience by having BB and FA participants still involved in the show, but it didn't work and that's when the figures absolutely plummeted.

C4 should look back on that and consider screening a BBLB type programme for even half an hour in the breakfast slot, just to let us know what had happened overnight - I'm sure the ratings would be better than those at present for the umpteenth repeat of Friends, which even die hard Friends fans must be sick to the back teeth with
donnaBC
09-04-2004
i would like to see Rise brought back for the big bro series last year i got up earlier just to watch the ex big bro contestants on it especially John.
The show should be hosted by Kate before Jade gets a sniff of it lol.
Last year the live feed was very boring to me as the sound was either stopped or noone was talking as they were sunbathing. so BRING BK RISE 8-12 every day.
Vilt UK
09-04-2004
Originally Posted by donnaBC:
“i would like to see Rise brought back for the big bro series last year i got up earlier just to watch the ex big bro contestants on it especially John.
The show should be hosted by Kate before Jade gets a sniff of it lol.
Last year the live feed was very boring to me as the sound was either stopped or noone was talking as they were sunbathing. so BRING BK RISE 8-12 every day.”

a very interesting idea me marrow.
I am sure Kate would be up for it.
certainly it would fill a gap-I always think BBLB really is too superficial-they show like a 10 sec clip instead of a 10 minute clip.
Ideally it would show the events of the previous night but there is the watershead issue on all the sexy bits.
of course that time of day they are usually in bed or sitting around sleepy so there is not much on the live feed.
baileybots
10-04-2004
no other shows, just E4 live and the evening programme i would have said leave BBLB as well but i am not to sure, last year there were to many biased comments on the housemates by presenters and guests, if people like kate on rise kept their favorites to themselves it would not have been so bad but rise was very biased in their coverage and presenting, they could have learned a few things from Davina and to a certain extent Dermot these two kept their opinions to themselves. Remember a few well chosen words by a presenter can make or break a contestant, e.g. G. Norton and his pig comment about jade she was then made the butt of pig jokes for the next few weeks, then Norton suddenly takes to her and he asks people to keep her in and her popularity rises, im not saying she stayed in just because of him but he must have known people were watching him and waiting for his comments. Keep the live feed then at least someone knows whats really happening.
MerlinUK
10-04-2004
Originally Posted by Vilt UK:
“I always think BBLB really is too superficial-they show like a 10 sec clip instead of a 10 minute clip.
Ideally it would show the events of the previous night but there is the watershead issue on all the sexy bits.”

Must have blinked and missed them last year

But seriously if there is a lot happening during the day, and hopefully they will not allow reading material and will set a lot of tasks to keep the HM's active, there should be plenty of material that is watershed friendly and they will be able to fill BBLB with that and Dermot won't be struggling to fill the show like he did during BB4.
bystander
11-04-2004
Originally Posted by baileybots:
“no other shows, just E4 live and the evening programme i would have said leave BBLB as well but i am not to sure, last year there were to many biased comments on the housemates by presenters and guests, if people like kate on rise kept their favorites to themselves it would not have been so bad but rise was very biased in their coverage and presenting, they could have learned a few things from Davina and to a certain extent Dermot these two kept their opinions to themselves. Remember a few well chosen words by a presenter can make or break a contestant, e.g. G. Norton and his pig comment about jade she was then made the butt of pig jokes for the next few weeks, then Norton suddenly takes to her and he asks people to keep her in and her popularity rises, im not saying she stayed in just because of him but he must have known people were watching him and waiting for his comments. Keep the live feed then at least someone knows whats really happening.”

Jon Tickle had the support of the media last year but it didn't do him any good. There were a few people that found his quirkiness amusing but thankfully for the live feed the public were aware that his entertainment value was a lot weaker than that of the other HM's and slung him out, although they did feel sorry for him at the end and voted him back in, against poor opposition, for the novelty twist return.
swingaleg
11-04-2004
The live coverage is really infuriating with all the sound dips and chicken cam but I still prefer it to BBLB, the RISE coverage and even the Friday eviction show......................

Last season, BBLB was totally dull and i found myself not bothering with it.......................

I was never up in time to watch RISE.......................

The Friday night eviction shows ...........well, OK......... I watched them

But all these shows just add together to give the impression that the BB game is about the ones who have been evicted, when it should be about the ones who are still in the game................

Knowing that they will get their week of huge TV coverage must impinge on the HMs - they must know that it doesn't really matter if they leave in week one or week 6 - they get the same amount of coverage. In fact in some ways it is preferable to be out in week two - you then get the chance to be on mainstream telly for seven weeks until the show finishes

I'd like to see the show concentrate on the ones who are still in the game - the ones who are evicted should just go and be forgotten

People on here seem to like their football analogies. Last week we had the FA semi-finals. Wouldn't it be strange if between now and Cup Final all the press and TV coverage was about the teams who got knocked out in the semi-finals ?


I'd even do away with the Friday eviction show and have the eviction as live coverage from the house - I'm more interested in the reaction of the ones still in the game after the eviction. The evictee should just walk out of the door and be gone

Can you imagine on Who Wants To be a Millionaire - after the fickle finger of fastest fudge or whatever - the cameras followed the ones who didn't get through and we had interviews backstage with them whilst the winner was playing for the money


The nightly round-up and live coverage - scrap everything else.
gemz1978
11-04-2004
I agree with other that say the Live Feeds should be kept on E4. For those that choose to watch alot of hours of BB, you see a very different picture than just dipping into the nightly edited show. Plus, there are highlights to watch aswell.

Last year was very thin on the ground for all concerned try to cover the show and entertain us, as there just wasn't at all much going on. For instance, Dermot keeping us up to date on 'Whiff Watch' in the girl's bedroom.. tracking the odour of some gone-off eggs that the boys had placed under the double bed for a laugh. That sounds like scraping the barrel to me!

I hope whatever new twists and happenings there are we get some better entertainment this year.
Mesostim
11-04-2004
I find these extra shows only serve to reinforce the spin the producers want to put on events.....I think the show would benefit from a simpler approach rather than trying to squeeze every scrap of interest out of it....
MerlinUK
11-04-2004
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“I find these extra shows only serve to reinforce the spin the producers want to put on events.....I think the show would benefit from a simpler approach rather than trying to squeeze every scrap of interest out of it....”

This of course depends on whether the HM's are interesting does it not?
FinalBroadcast
11-04-2004
Originally Posted by MerlinUK:
“This of course depends on whether the HM's are interesting does it not?”

It does... I'd still have all of the BBLB things on though, just don't fill them out with useless twaddle like the shopping list game they did last year :yawn:
Jmoo
11-04-2004
And the celebrity guests rounding up live coverage. Personally I don't tune into this show for commentary of live coverage.
bapak
11-04-2004
Originally Posted by C.N.S:
“I think they should scrap Live BB on C4 and have some sort of show like BBLB all day.

They could have 24/7 news and highlights from the BB house in a special built studio for it.

It would be easy enough, they could get cheap presenters from nation 217 or friendly tv or something like that.

Other shows i think they should have are:
BBLB Live after evictions
BB Breakfast: (breakfast show on C4 dedicated to BB)


Any suggestions for other shows appericated.”

please god ,move this s**** to Reality TV and let the rest of us have our channel 4 back.
Jmoo
11-04-2004
Big Brother is what makes Channel Four
beemoh
11-04-2004
Originally Posted by C.N.S:
“I think they should scrap Live BB on C4 and have some sort of show like BBLB all day.

They could have 24/7 news and highlights from the BB house in a special built studio for it.

...

Any suggestions for other shows appericated.”

I'd like it, but only if live streaming was still available- there's four screens available on their interactive service, after all.
thenetworkbabe
12-04-2004
Originally Posted by moogester:
“Although I am in now way sticking up for BB4, I thought it was as dire as everyone else, but IMO RI:SE's ratings were quite healthy for the time BB4 and then FA2 was on air. They tried after they had both finished to keep that audience by having BB and FA participants still involved in the show, but it didn't work and that's when the figures absolutely plummeted.

C4 should look back on that and consider screening a BBLB type programme for even half an hour in the breakfast slot, just to let us know what had happened overnight - I'm sure the ratings would be better than those at present for the umpteenth repeat of Friends, which even die hard Friends fans must be sick to the back teeth with ”

RISE ratings didn't plummet after BB/FA - they stabalised below the BB peak but at more than twice the pre -Lawler/pre BB peak figures. The reality free shows had similar audience figures to all but the peak BB weeks. There are voluminous threads on this - with graphs drawn by RG even. The show seems to have been axed on the basis that C4 preferred not to spend the money for any audience that RISE could bring in between 7 and 9 and wasn't prepared to see if the uprurn in the audience continued or went far enough in 2004. C4 finances are such that they seem to be cutting back everywhere at present - not helped by the fact that BB4 made less money than BB3.. The decision to axe RISE seems to have been unrelated to whether its audience was rising or falling but reflected a decision that it would never make enough. The decision appears to have been made before BB4 started given the reporting when Kate got the job that the show might be axed soon and repeated leaking by c4 of the idea that it would end. Obviously C4 didn't stand up and "Say sorry folks we are too poor to give you anything other than repeats, old films and the news before your documentary at 9 and US shows and Norton therafter" so they issued a confusing statement that left out the fact that RISE audiences were doubled over the year. Some reports suggested it was due to C4 management wanting to be seen to do something - repeats, lower viewing figures and an end to live TV qualified as doing something.

As you point out , c4 have been spending zilch on that slot since. There was a newspaper report recently that c4 had asked production companies for ideas for shows for the eartly morning that might include a live element and a reality TV reporting element was possible. RISE on the cheap in 30-60 minutes? Difficult to see how you could have BB without RISE as RISE almost certainly provided most of the financial benefit for being on BB for many of the BB housemates and only a fool would do BB to lose money. On the other hand BB at 7 done by the wrong people would be fatal.

The idea of 24 hour BBLB is awful. The show would be completely filtered before we saw it. More importantly, BBLB failed miserably in BB4 - it became sillier and sillier as they desperately tried to find something to do as BB4 slept its way to a conclusion. Dermot looked bored rigid, stale and uninterested. Putting that on again at 7 would do no one any favours. RISE actually got it mostly right with a monitor watching, a winner commenting and Iain asking some of the awkward questions. It wasn't perfect but it was an awful lot better than BBLB with the same tired format.
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