If the Tardis has the Chameleon Curcuit so its un-noticeable, (Apart from when looked for) How come in 'The Fires Of Pompeii' That guy Buys it and the Other Guy sells it. 
If The Tardis is 'Un-Noticable- How Come...
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Good question. The perception filter also stops it being noticed. Perhaps as other romans were telepaths they too were slightly telepathic. or there telepaths showed them. It would only need the finder to see it and then say to someone else 'ere ave a look at me blue box' or whatever and then they too would notice it. It makes the tardis slip into the unnoticed part of the brain. If your in a hurry or something you won't see it. If your a blue box collector out for a prowl, you probably will.
I think you will be here all night if you are going to start mentoning plot hole in Doctor Who, you dont take it to serious.
Like all technology connected with the TARDIS, it works flawlessly unless it suits the story for it not to in which case it won't, but it won't be mentioned unless it also suits the story for them to mention the TARDIS not working properly.
If a Doctor Who story holds up logically from opening to closing credits I'm happy. If it holds up logically with the preceding and succeeding story, I'm amazed. If it holds up with every other story in the series, I'm ecstatic. And if it holds up with every episode ever, well then I'm dead, because that won't be happening in my lifetime.
If a Doctor Who story holds up logically from opening to closing credits I'm happy. If it holds up logically with the preceding and succeeding story, I'm amazed. If it holds up with every other story in the series, I'm ecstatic. And if it holds up with every episode ever, well then I'm dead, because that won't be happening in my lifetime.
Originally Posted by dalekaddison:
“Good question. The perception filter also stops it being noticed. Perhaps as other romans were telepaths they too were slightly telepathic. or there telepaths showed them. It would only need the finder to see it and then say to someone else 'ere ave a look at me blue box' or whatever and then they too would notice it. It makes the tardis slip into the unnoticed part of the brain. If your in a hurry or something you won't see it. If your a blue box collector out for a prowl, you probably will.”
“Good question. The perception filter also stops it being noticed. Perhaps as other romans were telepaths they too were slightly telepathic. or there telepaths showed them. It would only need the finder to see it and then say to someone else 'ere ave a look at me blue box' or whatever and then they too would notice it. It makes the tardis slip into the unnoticed part of the brain. If your in a hurry or something you won't see it. If your a blue box collector out for a prowl, you probably will.”
Sort of. Basically the perception filter can be broken if the viewer really wants to see it. Capaldi was looking for modern art, so saw the TARDIS as art. He obviously asked the seller about it and therefore he saw it as well (after focusing his attention on it).
I was unaware the TARDIS itself ever had a perception filter on it and people were just as aware of it being there when it lands. It's like Rose noticing the Box when she first meets The Doctor, the kid who Graffiti'd Bad Wolf on it at the estate and The Doctor's hologram telling Rose to leave the TARDIS as a "strange little thing in the corner of the street that everyone will forget about". So if you ask me it is just as noticable as say a statue in the city centre.
From Wikipedia:
A perception filter is a field generated by a TARDIS that convinces people to ignore it, which in the case of the Doctor's TARDIS makes the normally anachronistic police box seem perfectly ordinary wherever it lands, no matter how out of place it may be. The field extends to objects associated with the TARDIS, such as the keys used to open it. Perception filters can also be added to other objects, such as the fob watches used by the Doctor and the Master. The TARDIS also imparts a perception filter to a stone slab near a fountain in Cardiff during the events of "Boom Town", which Torchwood Three has attached to an elevator. The field does not work if the object it surrounds draws too much attention to itself, or if someone is specifically searching for the object in question. Those with even minor telepathic abilities are also immune. Martha Jones uses the one installed on her TARDIS Key to protect her from the Master's detection during the year he ruled the world. It would appear that those who have previously seen the TARDIS are not affected by the Perception filter, such as Sarah Jane Smith when she discovers it in School Reunion.
A perception filter is a field generated by a TARDIS that convinces people to ignore it, which in the case of the Doctor's TARDIS makes the normally anachronistic police box seem perfectly ordinary wherever it lands, no matter how out of place it may be. The field extends to objects associated with the TARDIS, such as the keys used to open it. Perception filters can also be added to other objects, such as the fob watches used by the Doctor and the Master. The TARDIS also imparts a perception filter to a stone slab near a fountain in Cardiff during the events of "Boom Town", which Torchwood Three has attached to an elevator. The field does not work if the object it surrounds draws too much attention to itself, or if someone is specifically searching for the object in question. Those with even minor telepathic abilities are also immune. Martha Jones uses the one installed on her TARDIS Key to protect her from the Master's detection during the year he ruled the world. It would appear that those who have previously seen the TARDIS are not affected by the Perception filter, such as Sarah Jane Smith when she discovers it in School Reunion.
Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“I was unaware the TARDIS itself ever had a perception filter on it and people were just as aware of it being there when it lands.”
“I was unaware the TARDIS itself ever had a perception filter on it and people were just as aware of it being there when it lands.”
It was mentioned in Boom Town, and is the reason no one noticed the lift entrance to the Torchwood hub, even when people are rising from or disappearing into the sidewalk.
Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck:
“It was mentioned in Boom Town, and is the reason no one noticed the lift entrance to the Torchwood hub, even when people are rising from or disappearing into the sidewalk.”
“It was mentioned in Boom Town, and is the reason no one noticed the lift entrance to the Torchwood hub, even when people are rising from or disappearing into the sidewalk.”
Yea I remembered the filter on the Hub entrance but I honestly thought the TARDIS was as visible to people as their houses in the street. The Doctor is quite happy to leave it where it is anyway cos the door locks as soon as it closes. I got the impression he doesn't care where it lands and is quite happy to leave it anywhere and have people point and think "what is that weird thing".
Originally Posted by CheeseyDude1337:
“If the Tardis has the Chameleon Curcuit so its un-noticeable, (Apart from when looked for) How come in 'The Fires Of Pompeii' That guy Buys it and the Other Guy sells it.”
“If the Tardis has the Chameleon Curcuit so its un-noticeable, (Apart from when looked for) How come in 'The Fires Of Pompeii' That guy Buys it and the Other Guy sells it.
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This is a totally different thing to the pereception filter.
The chamelion circuit is supposed to change the appearance of the TARDIS so it merges in with the things around it - ie if it landed in a quarry, its exterior appearance would be a big rock
It was stated in classic Doctor Who that the chamelion circuit on the Doctors TARDIS stopped working during the first 'on tv' adventure (An Unearthly Child) - when the TARDIS travels for the first time out of London for a while the Doctor is heard to mutter to himself 'why hasn't it changed?'
Much further in the classic series, we saw examples of TARDIS's with fully functioning Chamelion Circuits, such as The Meddling Monk's and The Master's.
Also, in the sixth doctor adventure ' Attack of the Cybermen', the chamelion circuit works again for a while, turning into a pipe organ amongst other things
Originally Posted by Jakes_stuff:
“It was stated in classic Doctor Who that the chamelion circuit on the Doctors TARDIS stopped working during the first 'on tv' adventure (An Unearthly Child) - when the TARDIS travels for the first time out of London for a while the Doctor is heard to mutter to himself 'why hasn't it changed?'”
“It was stated in classic Doctor Who that the chamelion circuit on the Doctors TARDIS stopped working during the first 'on tv' adventure (An Unearthly Child) - when the TARDIS travels for the first time out of London for a while the Doctor is heard to mutter to himself 'why hasn't it changed?'”
Arguably it wasn't working when they first landed on Earth either.
While a police call box was appropriate for London at the time, having one standing in the middle of a junk yard was not.
Originally Posted by CheeseyDude1337:
“If the Tardis has the Chameleon Curcuit so its un-noticeable, (Apart from when looked for) How come in 'The Fires Of Pompeii' That guy Buys it and the Other Guy sells it.”
“If the Tardis has the Chameleon Curcuit so its un-noticeable, (Apart from when looked for) How come in 'The Fires Of Pompeii' That guy Buys it and the Other Guy sells it.
”
The Chameleon Circuit does not make is un-noticeable, it makes it blend in with the surroundings so it doesn't stand out as anything unusual. The circuit in the Doctor's TARDIS is broken, hence it is stuck in the shape of an old London police box.
An important difference between the Whoniverse and ours is that here there is a very long running show called "Dr. Who", which, even if we dont watch now, we probably did as kids. The Tardis itself is iconic and has passed into our language - how else to describe a poky looking flat that turns out quite spacious except "Tardis-like".
Anyway the upshot is if we see a police box on the street we immediately will notice it. In the Whoniverse it has no significance, so unless it blocks a driveway no one will bother about it - or if they do get onto the council by the time someone does pitch up to deal with it, it'll be long gone.
The Tardis having a perception filter has, I'm sure, been retconned since LOTTL as it really doesn't need one.
Anyway the upshot is if we see a police box on the street we immediately will notice it. In the Whoniverse it has no significance, so unless it blocks a driveway no one will bother about it - or if they do get onto the council by the time someone does pitch up to deal with it, it'll be long gone.
The Tardis having a perception filter has, I'm sure, been retconned since LOTTL as it really doesn't need one.
Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“I was unaware the TARDIS itself ever had a perception filter on it and people were just as aware of it being there when it lands. It's like Rose noticing the Box when she first meets The Doctor, the kid who Graffiti'd Bad Wolf on it at the estate and The Doctor's hologram telling Rose to leave the TARDIS as a "strange little thing in the corner of the street that everyone will forget about". So if you ask me it is just as noticable as say a statue in the city centre.”
“I was unaware the TARDIS itself ever had a perception filter on it and people were just as aware of it being there when it lands. It's like Rose noticing the Box when she first meets The Doctor, the kid who Graffiti'd Bad Wolf on it at the estate and The Doctor's hologram telling Rose to leave the TARDIS as a "strange little thing in the corner of the street that everyone will forget about". So if you ask me it is just as noticable as say a statue in the city centre.”
Exactly. In over 45 years of Who, it has never been suggested that the TARDIS is in any way 'unnoticeable'. Indeed, the number of times it was mentioned, stolen or confiscated in the classic series makes it pretty obvious this is not the case. No idea where that one came from...
Originally Posted by Bananasaregood!:
“From Wikipedia:
A perception filter is a field generated by a TARDIS that convinces people to ignore it, which in the case of the Doctor's TARDIS makes the normally anachronistic police box seem perfectly ordinary wherever it lands, no matter how out of place it may be. The field extends to objects associated with the TARDIS, such as the keys used to open it. Perception filters can also be added to other objects, such as the fob watches used by the Doctor and the Master. The TARDIS also imparts a perception filter to a stone slab near a fountain in Cardiff during the events of "Boom Town", which Torchwood Three has attached to an elevator. The field does not work if the object it surrounds draws too much attention to itself, or if someone is specifically searching for the object in question. Those with even minor telepathic abilities are also immune. Martha Jones uses the one installed on her TARDIS Key to protect her from the Master's detection during the year he ruled the world. It would appear that those who have previously seen the TARDIS are not affected by the Perception filter, such as Sarah Jane Smith when she discovers it in School Reunion.”
“From Wikipedia:
A perception filter is a field generated by a TARDIS that convinces people to ignore it, which in the case of the Doctor's TARDIS makes the normally anachronistic police box seem perfectly ordinary wherever it lands, no matter how out of place it may be. The field extends to objects associated with the TARDIS, such as the keys used to open it. Perception filters can also be added to other objects, such as the fob watches used by the Doctor and the Master. The TARDIS also imparts a perception filter to a stone slab near a fountain in Cardiff during the events of "Boom Town", which Torchwood Three has attached to an elevator. The field does not work if the object it surrounds draws too much attention to itself, or if someone is specifically searching for the object in question. Those with even minor telepathic abilities are also immune. Martha Jones uses the one installed on her TARDIS Key to protect her from the Master's detection during the year he ruled the world. It would appear that those who have previously seen the TARDIS are not affected by the Perception filter, such as Sarah Jane Smith when she discovers it in School Reunion.”
There is no basis for this article at all. Wikipedia is not a great source for reliable information since anyone can add to it.
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Anyway the upshot is if we see a police box on the street we immediately will notice it. In the Whoniverse it has no significance, so unless it blocks a driveway no one will bother about it - or if they do get onto the council by the time someone does pitch up to deal with it, it'll be long gone.”
“Anyway the upshot is if we see a police box on the street we immediately will notice it. In the Whoniverse it has no significance, so unless it blocks a driveway no one will bother about it - or if they do get onto the council by the time someone does pitch up to deal with it, it'll be long gone.”
I don't think that's entirely true. Older people would remember police boxes and be surprised to see one. Imagine if you were walking along the street 30 years from now and saw a Woolworth's! Or if you saw a milkman making deliveries today from a horse-drawn van.
Younger people - not all of them of course - would still notice it as something unusual. The might not care unless it's blocking something, but lots of people, young and old, would definitely notice it.
If the TARDIS had a perception filter, Doctor Who would logically not be around today-as two schoolteachers who wandered into a junkyard in 1963 would never have noticed it. It would also have been impossible for either Dodo or Tegan to wander in thinking it was a real police box, for Marco Polo to nick it, or for King Peladon's guards to find the thing and restore it to the Doctor after he carelessly let it fall down a cliff. And those are just the first few examples I thought of.
Originally Posted by Ainley:
“The Chameleon Circuit does not make is un-noticeable, it makes it blend in with the surroundings so it doesn't stand out as anything unusual. The circuit in the Doctor's TARDIS is broken, hence it is stuck in the shape of an old London police box.”
“The Chameleon Circuit does not make is un-noticeable, it makes it blend in with the surroundings so it doesn't stand out as anything unusual. The circuit in the Doctor's TARDIS is broken, hence it is stuck in the shape of an old London police box.”
Didn't I pretty much already say that?
The Doctor says in Sound of Drums, when he finishes creating the keys, that it has the same piece of preception filter that the Tardis has because the tardis has been designed to blend in...and then he says "Well sort of.." 
Which goes to show I guess that like with everything to do with the Tardis....it doesn't always work as it supposed to work...hence why many do see it, while others completely ignore it. And basically what it is suited to the story.....
Which goes to show I guess that like with everything to do with the Tardis....it doesn't always work as it supposed to work...hence why many do see it, while others completely ignore it. And basically what it is suited to the story.....
When they started Star Trek the Next Generation they decided they would no longer have plots centred around failures of the transporter, engines, etc. as it wasn't believable that that the federation flagship would rely on such faulty technology. It didn't take long before they had plots centred around failures of the transporter, engines, etc. TARDIS technology working flawlessly would create the same problems as an always working Enterprise. At least though, the TARDIS is ancient, obsolete and designed for multiple operators.
The Tardis has an SEP which makes people ignore it until they need to notice it.
Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck:
“When they started Star Trek the Next Generation they decided they would no longer have plots centred around failures of the transporter, engines, etc. as it wasn't believable that that the federation flagship would rely on such faulty technology. It didn't take long before they had plots centred around failures of the transporter, engines, etc. .”
“When they started Star Trek the Next Generation they decided they would no longer have plots centred around failures of the transporter, engines, etc. as it wasn't believable that that the federation flagship would rely on such faulty technology. It didn't take long before they had plots centred around failures of the transporter, engines, etc. .”
I was always surprised that the Holodeck was nevershut down permanently with a massive 'Danger! Out Of Order sign' on the door.
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“I was always surprised that the Holodeck was nevershut down permanently with a massive 'Danger! Out Of Order sign' on the door.”
“I was always surprised that the Holodeck was nevershut down permanently with a massive 'Danger! Out Of Order sign' on the door.”
What would the fun be in that
Quite a useful plot device having safety protocols eh but the Holodeck is the stuff of dreams and was my favourite thing about Star Trek!
You'd never catch me using a federation transporter beam - you never know who's legs you'll end up with
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