What I've always wondered is if you had a holodeck, why would you ever come out?

It was rarely abused though, except by Barclay IIRC.

I know this has been discussed to death, reincarnated, killed once more, buried for five weeks, resurrected again only to be further violently slaughtered. But dammit, who wouldn't have had a threesome with Tasha and Deanna (or Picard and Riker if you were that way inclined).

Why couldn't Peter Greenaway, Lars Von Trier or David Lynch have directed an episode of Star Trek TNG?

Are you suggesting that when 11 said "Legs! I've got legs!" they weren't his?

Jack, Spike, Angel, Dylan Hunt, both Winchesters, Johnnie Smith from the Dead Zone, those two cousins from the 4400 plus their uncle/dad, and that guy from Journeyman. And a Costco sized bottle of Owen's magic cologne. As I asked, who would ever come out of the Holodeck?

I confess that there is no Captain save Jack Harkness and that John Barrowman is his Avatar.

Nah at it's best the transporters were well used and reliable. I'd use em all the time


You can't hide in the holodeck forever. Methinks you have a slight case of holo-addiction.

I don't think the idea its not noticable in Pompeii or most places in time and space is unfeasable, I just think it was a strange disguise to pick in the first place in sixties England, surely it would be noticed there - what if a Policeman wanted to use it?

I wonder if the perception filter was working when DI Shipton and Sally Sparrow investigated it in Blink.

Well he wouldn't, since he wouldn't have an emergency and think, "Quick, where's the nearest junkyard?"

Which is why that very problem was addressed in The War Machines part one, when the TARDIS arrived back in England 1966 and the Doctor stuck an out of order sign on the door. The idea that its unnoticeable contradicts several dozen stories over the years in which it has been very definitely noticed.

But like I said, the Doctor practically suggests in the Sound of Drums that the Tardis does have a peception Filter, but that doesn't mean it works as it should....so in that sense it doesn't contradict anything, because even in the New series, in fact even in the very same series that the preception filter is mentioned for the first time, the tardis gets noticed by many...whether that be Martha, or Sally, or the Police, or the Angels, or the Family of Blood...and in series four too, as was the reason this very thread started.

If it was originally fitted with a functioning chameleon circuit, why would it also need a perception filter? One or the other maybe, but why both? What would be the point of a disguise if nobody could see it anyway?

Maybe they are more less one thing...a chameleon circuit that changes the Tardis, with a perception filter that just makes you ignore it a bit...like Martha says when the Doctor is wearing the Key (and I would say the Key worked better because it was probably more concentrated, and worked) that she knows he is there but doesn't want to know. So technecilly if the Circuit worked properly, not only would the Tardis change, but whatever object it changed to, would be ignored by a large amount of people. However, as we know neither does the the TARDIS change into anything else, and neither do many ignore it...

I think the best example of how a working preception filter maybe like is the Master's Tardis in Logopolis...many times it metrialises as different things, but some people seem to act as if nothing is there at all....although I am sure when that was written they probably didn't think anything like "the preception filter is working" ...but like with all things...but it makes sense in my head at least

Ah, I want to see that now

As to the contradiction issue: Perhaps the perception filter can be switched on and off and for whatever reason the post-time war Doctor likes it on?

It's worth watching. The first Doctor Who story set totally on contemporary Earth (aside from Planet of Giants, which doesn't really count).

I knew it wasn't chameleon circuit. (I was just tired.)

lol. reminds me of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

I teleported home last night with Ron and Sid and Meg.
Ron stole Meggie's heart away while I got Sidney's leg

Or perhaps The Doctor fitted the perception filter because the chameleon circuit doesn't work.

I don't think in the new series the perception filter was always in place. In Boom Town the Doctor tells Mickey you can leave a strange object in the middle of a busy place and people will ignore it. That certainly suggests it has a perception filter, but The Doctor doesn't explicitly say it has one.

No, it suggests that people in a hurry will fail to notice what's right in front of them. No perception filter needed, there.

That's sort of what I meant. The perception filter wasn't mentioned.

But there's no other possible explanation for the unexplained invisible Torchwood lift on that very spot.

Still at the time of Boom Town, there was no mention of a perception filter, purely because it had not been thought up until TW required it as a plot device. It was then ret-conned (so to speak) into the Tardis's features.