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danishdancer
11-02-2010
Diane and Mark, and Simone and Kevin were definitely the standouts for me. I wonder if Kevin had help from Camilla? I did really miss her last series, hope she might show up in future eps. I assume that the girls are doing latin next week? Can't wait, fantastic show.
mabbus-cattus1
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by Fairygirl:
“Very inspirational,very moving,if there ever was a program to urge you to get up and get moving then this is it.......

Loved watching Di/Mark (got to say Mark comes across so well in this,very kind and supportive) and Simone/Kevin as they seemed really connected and the wheelchair seemed incidental.

The camera work though has inherited the SCD trait of moving around too much so you can't fully appreciate the routine,they really should just have one steady central camera.

As for Brian.........such a talented guy and this series i already known will be an immense credit to him.

On a purely personal note i don't mind Brian being full on at all,he's obviously very talented,competitive,passionate etc etc but i was so surprised to hear him say the s*** work twice in about the first 20 secs and then f*** thrown in here and there for good measure,this is ultra polite Brian here ,again this is just me personally but its a bit of an assault on the ears,...... distracted me a bit from the main content of the program which was truly excellent
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Its interesting you feel like that. My personal opinion is that I didn't mind the bad language. It just proved to me how passionate Brian is about the show and his work.

On SCD we only get to see a certain side of the professional dancers because it is a family show and they certainly wouldn't want to offend any younger viewers. I'm sure a few cuss words would uttered in the training rooms that got edited out.

On the subject of DOW thought the show was a real eye opener tonight and can't wait to see more.
danishdancer
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by mabbus-cattus1:
“Its interesting you feel like that. My personal opinion is that I didn't mind the bad language. It just proved to me how passionate Brian is about the show and his work.

On SCD we only get to see a certain side of the professional dancers because it is a family show and they certainly wouldn't want to offend any younger viewers. I'm sure a few cuss words would uttered in the training rooms that got edited out.

On the subject of DOW thought the show was a real eye opener tonight and can't wait to see more.”

I didn't either, it was just a huge contrast to the Brian we know from SCD. It was in response, and I agree shows just how passionate he is about this. I applaud the fact that he is one of the few dance pros in the world that specialise in this arena. The show was fab, and I hope it'll help conquer predjudice towards the disabled
soraya18
11-02-2010
Moving brilliant show and very entertaining. Well doen to all the contestants and Brian in particular for working so hard to get this off the ground.
olivej
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by danishdancer:
“Diane and Mark, and Simone and Kevin were definitely the standouts for me. I wonder if Kevin had help from Camilla? I did really miss her last series, hope she might show up in future eps. I assume that the girls are doing latin next week? Can't wait, fantastic show.”

she was sitting in the audience this week
danishdancer
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by olivej:
“she was sitting in the audience this week”

Well I missed that! I meant in a tutorial capacity though
BuddyBontheNet
11-02-2010
I did mention this earlier, but I don't think Brian was the first person to use the f word. I'm not sure he does swear like that in every day conversation, even in the training room. Would be interesting to find out.

For me the show as a whole was quite thought provoking, shaking up my ideas about people in wheelchairs. I don't actually know anyone in a wheelchair myself and I realised I tend to forget that someone might not have always been in a wheelchair all their life.
Fairygirl
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by mabbus-cattus1:
“Its interesting you feel like that. My personal opinion is that I didn't mind the bad language. It just proved to me how passionate Brian is about the show and his work.
On SCD we only get to see a certain side of the professional dancers because it is a family show and they certainly wouldn't want to offend any younger viewers. I'm sure a few cuss words would uttered in the training rooms that got edited out.

On the subject of DOW thought the show was a real eye opener tonight and can't wait to see more.”

People can be passionate about their work but not cuss,i'm not saying one way is right or wrong i was just stating my personal opinion that ideally its not what i prefer to hear ( i think the s*** in the general talk surprised me more than the f*** in the heated convo with James (not J Jordan for anyone that didn't watch) ) .....its not a deal breaker though ,as i said the program is inspirational and a total credit to Brian,he should be very proud of it
danishdancer
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I did mention this earlier, but I don't think Brian was the first person to use the f word. I'm not sure he does swear like that in every day conversation, even in the training room. Would be interesting to find out.

For me the show as a whole was quite thought provoking, shaking up my ideas about people in wheelchairs. I don't actually know anyone in a wheelchair myself and I realised I tend to forget that someone might not have always been in a wheelchair all their life.”

This. I can't imagine he does, and to be frank, who cares? It was an incedible show, and watching Diane's wheelchairography (trying to imagine Craig's words for it) and Simone's passion, it really opens your eyes. They were both incredible, both my faves now, but I can't wait for next week. Also sad that Heather had to face a dance off straight away, like she didn't have enough in Strictly! Nice to see Mark Foster being awesome though.
BuddyBontheNet
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by danishdancer:
“This. I can't imagine he does, and to be frank, who cares? It was an incedible show, and watching Diane's wheelchairography (trying to imagine Craig's words for it) and Simone's passion, it really opens your eyes. They were both incredible, both my faves now, but I can't wait for next week. Also sad that Heather had to face a dance off straight away, like she didn't have enough in Strictly! Nice to see Mark Foster being awesome though.”

I care if I'm honest. I don't really like it when swearing is part of everyday conversation.

Why are people starting posts with 'This.'? I've noticed a lot recently and it makes no sense at all.
alexgr
11-02-2010
'This.' means that you're agreeing with what has been posted in the quoted message.

I really loved it, very thought provoking - mixed opinions on Brian, but other than that, best show I've seen in a while.
danishdancer
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I care if I'm honest. I don't really like it when swearing is part of everyday conversation.

Why are people starting posts with 'This.'? I've noticed a lot recently and it makes no sense at all.”

I don't know how to do the arrows to point up. I was agreeing with you. That's why. I don't like swearing either but at this point I won't let it taint the programme for me (and, to be careful, I'm not saying I think it will for you - I'm being objective), but if it continues, then it will change my opinion on Brian. I do think James and Ola are doing well as judges, I love that they disagree and I think judge Ade is gorgeous
Fairygirl
11-02-2010
Originally Posted by danishdancer:
“This. I can't imagine he does, and to be frank, who cares? .”

Maybe the audience of DOW
Mystical123
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by alexgr:
“I'm watching it later - virtually every Brian and Ali fan is watching it.”

And quite a few James and Ola fans, even though they're only judging

Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“Not sure I'm liking Brian's style of teaching at the moment ”

I agree, I don't think he came across well at all at some points. In fact, at the risk of enduring the wrath of some Brian (and Ali) fans, I'd go as far as to say he's doing the same sort of thing that made James Jordan unpopular on series 4 of Strictly. Yes, I get that he's passionate about it, and rightly so, but he's being a bit too harsh sometimes...

Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“To be fair he didn't start it. ”

Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“Yep. I always wondered how he got on so well with James ”

I don't particularly like the swearing, but that comparison made me laugh!
Mystical123
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I like the wording the judges are using "...we want to see dancing next week..."”

Yeah, I think all 3 judges did a really good job, although I wish we could have seen all 3 of them critique each dance.

Originally Posted by olivej:
“I personally would have saved Martin and Caroline due to Heather unable to keep time! I agreed with Ola”

Same here at the time, although I did get James' reasoning that Paul and Heather probably have more potential.

Originally Posted by puddytat:
“James lacks charisma as a judge though, he doesn't even look as though he's enjoying it. I could have done with a bit of Bruno Tonioli's enthusiasm.”

Originally Posted by La_Passione:
“Charisma and enthusiasm aren't the same thing.

James was warm and lovely, and all in all quite positive. Ade was right in that he didn't know how difficult it was for those in a wheel chair, but he still was a very good judge.

And it was nice to see the Jordan's not agreeing. ”


Exactly, I think James did really well, as did Ola, although you can tell she's not as comfortable as a judge as James is. And it was funny to see them disagreeing
miss buzzybee
12-02-2010
Really opened my eyes to this form of dance, I couldn't comprehend how they could do this before watching it. Di and Mark, and Simone and Kevin were amazing. James in the wheelchair has a similar personality to James Jordan. Only bad thing in the prog were the rubbish camera shots during the dances. I hope Caroline carries on dancing.
fatskia
12-02-2010
Just watched it on Iplayer. Thought it made a better show than I expected, and the contestants are interesting characters.

I though Carolyne would have had a better chance if she had longer to prepare. With no core strength,she would have needed a lot longer with a support belt and a sports chair to build up her upper body strength, because the leverage just wouldn't be there without the belt.

Maybe Carolyne will follow up on what she has learned on the show. At the end of the day, going out in week one doesn't stop you unless you let it. She can still make similar progress without the show, but she needs to have her own motivation, and find her own direction she wants to go. I think a lot of people will wish her well, because she is very likeable.

The one thing I am wondering about from the show is Carolyne's friend Simone. I got the impression that Kevin hasn't hit the right notes with Simone. If that is so, I dont know who's fault that would be, as there was no obvious reason shown. Hopefully i was just misreading the situation.

The new thing to me was to find out that this has been a passion for Brian for years. That helps make the show real, and adds a serious aspect to the contest.
Cantank
12-02-2010
Thought it was an awful show with naff production values and unintentionally hilarious in parts. It's almost like they've scraped the barrel for every possible permutation on reality TV and this is all that's left. What haven't we done yet? One legged ice-skater on ITV... Well BBC can top that with no legged dancers being dragged around by the duds from Strictly.... Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst. The routines were ludicrous. James had it right with his comment about shopping trolleys. Brian came across as a bit of a prat on this: he was trying to "do tough guy" when he's obviously such a mummy's boy.
SilverBird
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by Cantank:
“Thought it was an awful show with naff production values and unintentionally hilarious in parts. It's almost like they've scraped the barrel for every possible permutation on reality TV and this is all that's left. What haven't we done yet? One legged ice-skater on ITV... Well BBC can top that with no legged dancers being dragged around by the duds from Strictly.... Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst. The routines were ludicrous. James had it right with his comment about shopping trolleys. Brian came across as a bit of a prat on this: he was trying to "do tough guy" when he's obviously such a mummy's boy.”

Just spotted your username. Very apt...
Force Ten
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by Cantank:
“Thought it was an awful show with naff production values and unintentionally hilarious in parts. It's almost like they've scraped the barrel for every possible permutation on reality TV and this is all that's left. What haven't we done yet? One legged ice-skater on ITV... Well BBC can top that with no legged dancers being dragged around by the duds from Strictly.... Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst. The routines were ludicrous. James had it right with his comment about shopping trolleys. Brian came across as a bit of a prat on this: he was trying to "do tough guy" when he's obviously such a mummy's boy.”

You beat me to it Silverbird, that's exactly what I was going to say. Rather an unnecessary post from Cantank IMO. It's to be hoped that he/she isn't in a wheelchair.

For his/her information, Brian's mother runs a dance school in Phildelphia and has been teaching Wheelchair Dancing for years and Brian has been helping for the last 8 years. It's very successful in virtually every other country but for some reason has never taken off in the UK. This programme is helping to change that and the winner will be going through to the European Wheelchair Championships.

I really don't think you can compare this to the attention seeking Ms Mills on DOI.

Incidentally Sandra Fortuna came over from the USA for a couple of weeks to help out when they recorded this programme. I hope they feature her in some of the episodes.
Mystical123
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by Cantank:
“Thought it was an awful show with naff production values and unintentionally hilarious in parts. It's almost like they've scraped the barrel for every possible permutation on reality TV and this is all that's left. What haven't we done yet? One legged ice-skater on ITV... Well BBC can top that with no legged dancers being dragged around by the duds from Strictly.... Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst. The routines were ludicrous. James had it right with his comment about shopping trolleys. Brian came across as a bit of a prat on this: he was trying to "do tough guy" when he's obviously such a mummy's boy.”


To call it scraping the barrel is entirely unnnecessary when in fact it's something most people didn't know existed. How dare you compare something like this which is actually teaching people skills and giving them confidence to something like Big Brother, which is what 'scraping the barrel' actually means....
BuddyBontheNet
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by alexgr:
“'This.' means that you're agreeing with what has been posted in the quoted message.

I really loved it, very thought provoking - mixed opinions on Brian, but other than that, best show I've seen in a while.”

Originally Posted by danishdancer:
“I don't know how to do the arrows to point up. I was agreeing with you. That's why. I don't like swearing either but at this point I won't let it taint the programme for me (and, to be careful, I'm not saying I think it will for you - I'm being objective), but if it continues, then it will change my opinion on Brian. I do think James and Ola are doing well as judges, I love that they disagree and I think judge Ade is gorgeous”

Thanks for the explanation about 'This'.

The swearing won't stop me watching the show, I was just saying I don't get the feeling Brian normally swears like that. I don't like swearing in every day conversation, but that's just how I feel and it won't stop it happening.

Originally Posted by Cantank:
“Thought it was an awful show with naff production values and unintentionally hilarious in parts. It's almost like they've scraped the barrel for every possible permutation on reality TV and this is all that's left. What haven't we done yet? One legged ice-skater on ITV... Well BBC can top that with no legged dancers being dragged around by the duds from Strictly.... Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst. The routines were ludicrous. James had it right with his comment about shopping trolleys. Brian came across as a bit of a prat on this: he was trying to "do tough guy" when he's obviously such a mummy's boy.”

Love to see people with an open mind posting on here.

Taking this poster literally would mean that only able bodied people should appear on TV, otherwise it would just be 'Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst.'

Pretty pathetic really.
vincent's mojo
12-02-2010
Was dancing on wheels any good last night?? Forgot to watch
CaroUK
12-02-2010
Has anybody actually managed to find a list of contestants who danced in Israel?

Not that I'm itching to know who won through or anything... (whistles nonchalantly)

ETA - there's a video of the opening ceremony on Youtube - and you get a glimpse of who won on that......
fatskia
12-02-2010
Originally Posted by Cantank:
“Thought it was an awful show with naff production values and unintentionally hilarious in parts. It's almost like they've scraped the barrel for every possible permutation on reality TV and this is all that's left. What haven't we done yet? One legged ice-skater on ITV... Well BBC can top that with no legged dancers being dragged around by the duds from Strictly.... Politically correct special pleading and tokenism at its worst. The routines were ludicrous. James had it right with his comment about shopping trolleys. Brian came across as a bit of a prat on this: he was trying to "do tough guy" when he's obviously such a mummy's boy.”

The BBC have also had another program where handicapped people took part in a trek across country, so its not new in that respect. Decades ago, attitudes meant that the handicapped were seperated out as children and sent to an impoverished path through life, and today its still a common feeling to not want to see handicapped people.

This show is an attempt by the BBC to generate another program from SCD, but its unlikely to get a big audience for the reason I just mentioned, plus the achievements have to be taken in context. I think the studio layout and live audience size was too low budget looking, if the BBC want to give the show more of a main stream look. It does look budget limited.

The show is partly about opportunities to achieve potential, and partly about people with handicaps being treated similarly to people without handicaps - as far as that is possible. The contestants seem like an interesting bunch of characters to me, and I'll genuinely be interested in seeing how they progress.

Brian has been teaching dance to people in wheelchairs for 8 years and his upset when Carolyn was elminated was genuine - he's not that good an actor.
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