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Neutering - to chop, or not to chop....?
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Jolene
04-02-2010
I am undecided, please advise.

I have three cats, two of the older mogs have been spayed/neutered.

I have a 10 month old chocolate BSH tom and he is starting to call, cry and spray my furniture.

Now, as he is a chocolate BSH (cost me a lot of money), I haven't let him outside for fear he will get lost, run over, pinched, get into fights, have scars, infections etc and I wanted him to be a home cat.

But, he is spraying the house now, and wanting to wander. His poor little balls are probably bursting I really wanted to stud him out in the future as there's good money in it and he is a strong breed.

So do I get his nuts chopped and risk not being able to stud him out? or not get them done and have my house stink and suffer cat calling all through the night?

Is there any other way of stopping him spraying with out the chop?

And if he is chopped, will he be less likely to wander and fight if I do eventually let him out?

Confused....
StressMonkey
04-02-2010
Chop is the only answer - though you've left it a bit late and at 10 months he might still spray though hopefully it'll be less so. It will stop his urge to fight other cats (baring minor territorial disputes) and he won't be interested in any calling queens so won't wander off after them.

You might be able to try a chemical castration - ask your vet. But that would only be a temporary measure.

Studding him out because 'there's good money in it' is NOT a good reason to breed from him. Improving the bred is the only good reason to breed. Have you shown him to prove his conformity? Have you any idea what is involved in studding a cat? The health tests and logistics. Is he on the active register?

Do him a favour - get him done
Jolene
04-02-2010
Originally Posted by StressMonkey:
“Chop is the only answer - though you've left it a bit late and at 10 months he might still spray though hopefully it'll be less so. It will stop his urge to fight other cats (baring minor territorial disputes) and he won't be interested in any calling queens so won't wander off after them.

You might be able to try a chemical castration - ask your vet. But that would only be a temporary measure.

Studding him out because 'there's good money in it' is NOT a good reason to breed from him. Improving the bred is the only good reason to breed. Have you shown him to prove his conformity? Have you any idea what is involved in studding a cat? The health tests and logistics. Is he on the active register?

Do him a favour - get him done ”

Yeah I have looked into it, discussed it loads with his breeder and she is willing to help all the way if I decide to. He is on the register and hasn't been shown.
I didn't mean it to sound greedy. I did mention his good breed, because he does have a good strong background of pure chocolates (up until 15 years ago). He would help produce very good bsh's.


Having said that, he will be with me for the next two decades and I want him to be happy and keep his bits, but also would like a clean smelling house, hence the doubt
RAINBOWGIRL22
04-02-2010
Unless you are planning to breed him then please get him done - poor little fella!!

Having not had any male cats before (my Ex had two and he got them both done before they got to the spraying stage) does it smell when they spray?
Jolene
04-02-2010
Originally Posted by RAINBOWGIRL22:
“Unless you are planning to breed him then please get him done - poor little fella!!

Having not had any male cats before (my Ex had two and he got them both done before they got to the spraying stage) does it smell when they spray?”


Oh yes Rainbowgirl, it really humps (wheres the spew smiley?) Its like ammonia.
Lippincote
04-02-2010
The breeders I know with male stud cats either keep them outside in a cattery pen, or confined to separate areas, they are not allowed to roam around the house - partly because of the stinky spraying and partly because they are often aggressive to other cats. As time goes on he will probably start trying to hump your neutered cats (that is what happened with my neighbour's cats who weren't neutered till they were over a year old). As he is effectively living as a pet, for everyone's sake he needs to be treated as a pet and neutered (IMO).
Georgemcneil
04-02-2010
Originally Posted by Lippincote:
“The breeders I know with male stud cats either keep them outside in a cattery pen, or confined to separate areas, they are not allowed to roam around the house - partly because of the stinky spraying and partly because they are often aggressive to other cats. As time goes on he will probably start trying to hump your neutered cats (that is what happened with my neighbour's cats who weren't neutered till they were over a year old). As he is effectively living as a pet, for everyone's sake he needs to be treated as a pet and neutered (IMO).”

Catstration only answer.
Richlup
05-02-2010
Well you can either leave him for breeding and put up with the smell for a bit of cash.. at least you'll be able to afford to clean it up properly!

Or you can have him done, there are too many none pedigree cats out there without homes so I find that breeding pedigree cats for money is a bit unfair really, I don't see how they're any better than a common moggy.

It's up to you anyway, if you think breeding is something you want to and can do, then put up with the smell!
Larry1971
05-02-2010
Originally Posted by Lippincote:
“Tthey are often aggressive to other cats. ).”

I believe an unNeutered male cat can also be aggressive towards their owners and very hard to handle - I have two male cats and both of them have been Neutered.
1971
05-02-2010
get him done as soon as you can.
if he does start spraying the house, which he will, then you will not be able to get rid of the smell.
stud u like
05-02-2010
How cruel to keep a cat unneutered! They breed you know and aren't choosy who they have sex with.

The longer you wait, the greater the health risks with the urological functions.
funkycub
05-02-2010
There are enough breeders in the world to allow for new cats and kittens. There are also too many owners allowing their cat to be unneutered and have kittens just to supplement their income.
Maisey Moo
05-02-2010
One of my moggies is getting neutered on wednesday. I have to get him done as we still have his sisters and they arent big enough to be done at the same time. I would get him done just incase he escapes if he is calling now any oppotunity he can escape he will do.
jimbojones
05-02-2010
Chop I'm afraid-or else he will probably wander off. A tom of mine did and I never saw him again!
wilhemina
07-02-2010
Keeping a stud cat is not easy (& very often means huge compromises to the animal's welfare, such as keeping them contained in an outdoors enclosure, with all the smells of females, but no real territory to call your own & not being able to do anything about it ~ a recipe for utter frustration that can lead to unhappiness & stress.)

If you are really serious about breeding from him, then you need to talk to other breeders to find out how they manage their stud cats ~ & what compromises they have to make for the animal's welfare. Many stud cats don't lead very happy lives!

It is quite normal & natural for entire male cats to urine mark their territory & you'll be hard-pushed to stop him ~ in fact I'd be prepared to wager a significant amount of money that you won't be able to stop him if you keep him as an indoor cat! And the smell is horrible & very difficult to get rid of. Once the urine has soaked into furniture & wood it is nigh on impossible to remove all traces & if there is even the faintest whiff (which your cat will smell, even if you can't), he will keep topping it up with more spraying.

The answer ~ get him castrated! He will be a much happier pet & you'll have a much nicer home.
Keiō Line
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by Jolene:
“I am undecided, please advise.”

NEVER!!!!

Mutilating an animal needlessly is not something an animal lover should do.
susie-4964
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by Keiō Line:
“NEVER!!!!

Mutilating an animal needlessly is not something an animal lover should do.”

Why do you waste your time, when you know you're posting absolute rubbish?

OP, if you intend to keep this cat as a pet, in the house, get it spayed - you're not a cat breeder. If you'd like to breed from the cat, you'll need to build a separate enclosure for it outside, and it will never be a proper pet.
funkycub
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by susie-4964:
“Why do you waste your time, when you know you're posting absolute rubbish?

OP, if you intend to keep this cat as a pet, in the house, get it spayed - you're not a cat breeder. If you'd like to breed from the cat, you'll need to build a separate enclosure for it outside, and it will never be a proper pet.”

Well said x
MsWalker
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by Lippincote:
“The breeders I know with male stud cats either keep them outside in a cattery pen, or confined to separate areas, they are not allowed to roam around the house - partly because of the stinky spraying and partly because they are often aggressive to other cats. As time goes on he will probably start trying to hump your neutered cats (that is what happened with my neighbour's cats who weren't neutered till they were over a year old). As he is effectively living as a pet, for everyone's sake he needs to be treated as a pet and neutered (IMO).”

Thanks, I was about to say all that

Originally Posted by Keiō Line:
“NEVER!!!!

Mutilating an animal needlessly is not something an animal lover should do.”

Do you know what you are talking about? There is no guarantees that the cat would be used as a stud anyway, and keeping him entire and not letting nature take its course will be cruel.

Get him castrated if you want to keep him as a house cat. Otherwise you are going to have topen him outside or get your nose sorted so you can`t smell anything
Refusion
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by Keiō Line:
“NEVER!!!!

Mutilating an animal needlessly is not something an animal lover should do.”

"Time to re-access the declawing of cats?"

You're hardly one to talk about "mutilating an animal needlessly" when you advocate declawing.

OP - neuter your pets. It's better for them in the long run.
Jolene
07-02-2010
He's booked in for Wednesday. After posting this he has gotten louder and ruined a bedroom chair ....

Due to his pedigree (I've only ever had mogs who I did always straight away) I was undecided but after reading all of your sound advice, and looking at his little face busting to run outside and burst, he shall be teste-less as of wednesday afternoon
susie-4964
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by Jolene:
“He's booked in for Wednesday. After posting this he has gotten louder and ruined a bedroom chair ....

Due to his pedigree (I've only ever had mogs who I did always straight away) I was undecided but after reading all of your sound advice, and looking at his little face busting to run outside and burst, he shall be teste-less as of wednesday afternoon ”

You've made the right decision. To be honest, if he was likely to be a good stud, the breeder wouldn't have sold him to you, they'd have kept him. Our Maine Coon is bred from a Grand Champion, has a pedigree as long as your arm, but even he wasn't perfect enough for the breeder, and we had to agree to have him neutered and not to breed from him.
funkycub
07-02-2010
Honestly it is the best thing. I had my girls booked as soon as they were old enough and Ella then came into season earlier than anticipated. It was a nightmare few days ! As much as I would like to filll the house with kittens, I realise it would be selfish. getting my girls done was best for all of us.
lynxmale
07-02-2010
Once he is neutered, you can let him out more safely. He won't wander for as long as an Entire Tom and won't take the same risks. He will also be less attractive to thieves if that was a concern.
Jolene
07-02-2010
Originally Posted by lynxmale:
“Once he is neutered, you can let him out more safely. He won't wander for as long as an Entire Tom and won't take the same risks. He will also be less attractive to thieves if that was a concern.”

Good point.

I just dont want him getting into fighting and scarring his ears (like my past cats have done) as he is such a beautiful cat.
I suppose thats out of my control though. I may keep in him for as long as I can so he doesn't roam too far


Thanks all
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