Go Dervish, go Dervish.
It's your birthday, it's your birthday.
Not for real real, just for play play.

I think the unpleasant part was leaving him with a totally redundant piece of alien technology in his head which would be activated every time someone snapped their fingers. That wasn't funny, if you think about it it was petty, cruel and totally irresponsible.

I see individualism isn't really tolerated on these boards.

I think people have a right to say what dr they want or what should happen as we watch it and spend time on here discussing programmes , okay I feel the dr is a complex charcter like us all and we all become hypocrites at times but I love the old drs expect the first one and colin baker but Tom Baker's dr made a good point that if he ends the daleks , he is no more evil than them in "geneis of the daleks" He tries to care but he has issues too and his people died casue of war but the timelords at the end turned evil well some of them , its a prickly area but actually is open to how each dr and production team plays it

First dr-didnt see many epsiodes really
2nd dr-quite honest and good stories
3rd dr-more James Bond than dr who but did care about people
4th dr-Excellent morals and great stories
5th dr-more peaceful but could fight if so
6th dr-terrible at times but raised a good point about the timelords at his trial
7th-not sure what his view were but he cared about his assistant more than 6th one

8th -quite a proper dr , cared but fought his own battles as well

9th-quite angry and had to be calmed down by Rose and did fight

10th -didnt and opposed it , especially his own daughter Jenny but fought through his assistants in a way

though he will not kill really especially the daleks other people died in his name !

but is it his fault as humans dont have to save him or aliens
Jack Harkness dont need to worry about that area as he seems to avoid death as John Barrowman avoids being unoticed on the BBc (joke) ax

Well that is the whole of the 46 years of the show then isn't it? So what are the chances that a show which has made its lead character so inconsistant all the way from 1963, is all of a sudden going to be a completely consistant character know. Moff is clever, and understands Who than mosty of us, and has seen the Doctor in all his glory and shame (in terms of character, not making a dig out of any particular Doctor/actor/era)...and knows that the Doctor is consistant in being inconsistant.

Like I said, the Doctor..and this goes for all of incarnations, does do something quite vicious or voilent, but he still makes judgements in others for doing the same, hates his own people for doing the same, and always wishes for a better way. And that is the Doctor. All of them have at one point waggled thier hands, procrastinated, manipulated and then gone in for the kill eventually....so if the Eleventh Doctor doesn't do that at least once, I would be very suprised.

i think the whole point is that you're not an individual you're a duplicate....

If you want violence though, this is your man, He's the only Doc to date who got into fights all the time, threw an alien head first into ACID and then MOCKED him after he died, haha, the Sixth Doc was the original Horatio Caine!

Oh, come on! Dervish/Poppycod bigotry isn't like proper bigotry. It's more like when your mad racist granny comes out with a silly unsustanaible plan for the repatriation of ethnic minorities.

Or making them second class citizens

But it is a very fine line between types of bigotry Only joking isn't really a very good defence

I was thinking more of diminished responsibility, like a senile old lady's outbursts.

Doctor Who is a family show ffs! When are people going to wake up and realise this?! The Doctor is designed to be a role model for children, and I hardly think a "dirty harry" style hero is going to appeal to kids.

If dark and gritty sci-fi is what you want, then you are watching the wrong show. Go check out "Battlestar Galactica", "Heroes" or "Lost" instead.

Now now, remember - Do Not Feed the Trolls!

Course, if I'm mistaken and poppycod isn't trolling, I recommend that he gets hold of a decent encyclopedia and looks up 'pacifist' as this is something that the Doctor has never come even remotely close to being...

My Granny (who is dead now, but voted for an openly gay politician 30 years ago when she was 72) would have no truck with poppycod's bigotry. But even were that not the case, she was my family and I'd have been stuck with her. I wouldn't expect a minority family down the block to put up with it if she went around calling their children racist names.. This is a TV and other entertainment media forum, not a place where we have to be subjected to someone's bigotry.

Hah, you put Heroes in the same sentence as dark and gritty Sci-Fi.

My Granny (who is dead now, but voted for an openly gay politician 30 years ago when she was 72) would have no truck with poppycod's bigotry. But even were that not the case, she was my family and I'd have been stuck with her. I wouldn't expect a minority family down the block to put up with it if she went around calling their children racist names.. This is a TV and other entertainment media forum, not a place where we have to be subjected to someone's bigotry.

Sorry to hear about your dead granny nc .

Thank you - she died 22 years ago though. Didn't mean to make it sound like a recent loss. I'm just tired of people using old age as an excuse for bigotry. I think it's unfair to all the old people who are fine people.

There is a certain irony to this post, I feel...


The first Doctor got into more fights than the sixth. In the first story, he nearly caves someone's head in with a rock, in The Reign of Terror he clobbers several people around the head with blunt instruments and shows very sign of enjoying it, and he boasts of having trained in wrestling with the mountain Mauler of Montana-and that's just the first three examples I can think of.

He bumps into that guy! He doesn't push him in! And his quip is a little more reasonable than most of James Bonds - who would want to join someone in an acid bath?

Six FTW!

I Have to say, there is something in this, i'd like the new doctor to be just a .bit. less soppy.

At least poppycod seems to be admitting to being a sick bigot I notice!


The Eleventh Doctor is already lined up to be waving a gun around and punching someone square in the face - two things Ten would have tried to resist - so should be interesting to see what context they are in.

he dosn't need to ..... as davros says, he fashions OTHERS to fight for him .....

I think context is everything...lets not forget that Ten himself has waved a gun at least twice, the EOT part two, and The Doctor's Daughter. And Nine too held a gun....a alien one, but a gun none the less.


It is quite funny, you know one of those bingo card things that sometimes people use to "predict" what will happen in a RTD story...one of the boxes had written on it "the Doctor suddenly becomes an action man"...which surely wouldn't be there if both Nine and Ten were as the OP put it, not like the Third Doctor for example?

i am just glad that Moff will do what he wants rather than what we internet fans want...as then it will be a very long list....and he will end up pleasing no one....let alone someone.

I know I am going to regret getting into this as I know its going to be either ignored or twisted....but the same could be said about you. Again and again you keep picking on Newbie. It is all I have seen since I came back on DS. And Newbie...a bigot? How??? While I can say that I read enough from the OP in other threads, and not been the only one to notice some very bigotry claims by the OP.

Ah, the long awaited return of the Master's Tissue Compression Eliminator...