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Old 13-02-2010, 23:52
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Not sure whether they'll ask Caroline Flack - is she mainstream enough for them? After all, she hasn't taken part in a reality TV show on ITV1 and doesn't have big breasts, so she does have something of an issue.

Dermot would be good, I'd like to see Caroline alongisde him, but I'm not holding my breath. Myleene is bearable if slightly wooden. Amanda Holden is a probability - her presenting isn't too bad I guess. How about Tess Daly? If Vernon is presenting it, then their on screen chemistry could be interesting.
I think Dermot & Caroline would be good together (and they're both with the same agent). But it does seem like Vernon is the leading candidate and with Beat The Star cancelled he needs a new project.

Announcing Tess & Vernon as a presenting pair would definitely be a major publicity coup just now!
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Old 13-02-2010, 23:57
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BBC should sell it's Dancing With The Stars format to another broadcaster, it's doing nothing to their image and it's looking tired. Selling it to someone like 4 or 5 would do give a win, win situation for everyone while the new broadcaster could revamp it and the BBC could get money from selling it's format.
Not sure why they'd do that though. It'd leave Saturday nights very barren on BBC1 - indeed, it'd just be open for The X Factor to clear up. There's no way they could air a new show there as it wouldn't be given a chance, and why weaken Doctor Who or So You Think You Can Dance? by moving it away from the winter slot? Plus Strictly would get about a tenth of the viewers as it gets on BBC1. I think a revamp could be done easily on BBC1. The BBC should not sell it - it'd just be detrimental to the channel and the show.
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Old 14-02-2010, 00:43
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I'm not sure about 'Let's dance..' coming back this year for Sport Relief

As it was for Comic Relief, it should by rights be back next year. This would also keep the show fresh

I do feel that the BBC are shortening the lifespan of this show, if it gets a third series it'll become tired, especially with the non-stop dance shows currently on air and then will be yet another short lived show of this sort to add to the BBC's long list.

There was also one time when they were able to show either Comic Relief, Sports Relief or Children in Need without a half hearted talent/reality show connected with it.
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Old 14-02-2010, 01:14
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Was there any particular reason why the BBC moved the late News tonight?

I turned over after watching QI XL expecting to see the News, which was still being shown on my EPG to find that it had already been shown and being told to go to the News Channel if we wanted to see the News.
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Old 14-02-2010, 01:22
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ABC:
8pm – The Deep End – 5.7m (1.5)
* Tied 4th/5th with Vampire Diaries on The CW
9pm – Grey’s Anatomy – 12.7m (4.3)
* All time low with adults 18-49
* Has set series lows two weeks in a row
* Lost to Survivor in the 9pm hour
10pm – Private Practice – 9.1m (3.2)
* Continues to decline with Grey’s
* 2nd with A18-49, had a 45% lead among adults 18-34

With The Deep End for a lead-in, Grey's Anatomy is really struggling. At this rate Modern Family is going to overtake it and it's ratings this week are lower than those of Lost.
Sorry if this is a bit late, but does anybody think Grey's will do any better next week? 12.7m doesn't seem that bad to me???

It's a really good season too . I'm still assuming it'll get another full season order as it is still doing well.
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Old 14-02-2010, 01:34
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Sorry if this is a bit late, but does anybody think Grey's will do any better next week? 12.7m doesn't seem that bad to me???

It's a really good season too . I'm still assuming it'll get another full season order as it is still doing well.
Even though it is declining, it's still doing well and will definitely be renewed. It continues to be one of the top dramas on TV in the key 18-49 demographic (and those are the ratings that determine whether or not a show is renewed).

The lead-in it's getting from The Deep End isn't helping matters. Once they get rid of that it might recover a bit.
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Old 14-02-2010, 01:35
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Even though it is declining, it's still doing well and will definitely be renewed. It continues to be one of the top dramas on TV in the key 18-49 demographic (and those are the ratings that determine whether or not a show is renewed).

The lead-in it's getting from The Deep End isn't helping matters. Once they get rid of that it might recover a bit.
And I'm guessing the 14m Survivor got isn't helping either.
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Old 14-02-2010, 01:46
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And I'm guessing the 14m Survivor got isn't helping either.
Probably not, although this week it has competition from the winter olympics on NBC. It'll probably hit a few more lows before the end of the series, but there's no threat to its short term future.

Like Desperate Housewives, I think it will end in a few years by choice of the writers and/or cast rather than being axed for low ratings.
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Old 14-02-2010, 05:00
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I've noticed that The Mentalist and CSI on CBS are being swapped during the Olympics which make me wonder if CBS are testing whether The Mentalist is viable for 9pm next season thereby moving CSI to 10pm. It did well out of Survivor building its audience on Thursdays.

Grey's Anatomy will probably end when the writers decide to end it same with Desperate Housewives. ABC have done well to reinvent themselves with shows like Lost, DWTS, Bachelor and they have a lot of potential hits with Modern Family, Castle which I'm surprised hasn't been picked up yet in the UK, would make a great companion show for The Mentalist or NCIS on Five, The Middle.
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Old 14-02-2010, 08:47
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Was there any particular reason why the BBC moved the late News tonight?

I turned over after watching QI XL expecting to see the News, which was still being shown on my EPG to find that it had already been shown and being told to go to the News Channel if we wanted to see the News.
Someone said it was due to events in Afghanistan.
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:09
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A few Friday Night 12th February ratings:

9pm
ITV1 - Popstar to Opera Star - 4.4m.
BBC1 - Silent Witness rpt - 3.7m
bbc2 - Mastercrafts - 2.7m
ch4 - Ramsays Kitchen Nightmares USA - 1.7m

10pm
CH4 - 8 out of 10 Cats - 1.4m

Sky1 - Lost - 0.6m



Good night for Popstar to Opera Star then. Looks like it benefited from the repeat Silent Witness.
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:20
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Thanks for these, where did you find them? Better for Popstar, but still a bit low. Silent Witness held its audience at least. Not very good for Ramsay, I think the public are growing tired of him.
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:22
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A few Friday Night 12th February ratings:

9pm
ITV1 - Popstar to Opera Star - 4.4m.
BBC1 - Silent Witness rpt - 3.7m
bbc2 - Mastercrafts - 2.7m
ch4 - Ramsays Kitchen Nightmares USA - 1.7m

10pm
CH4 - 8 out of 10 Cats - 1.4m

Sky1 - Lost - 0.6m

Good night for Popstar to Opera Star then. Looks like it benefited from the repeat Silent Witness.
Decent rise for Popstar to Operastar, however, its 18% share is still below the 20% mark. It'll be interesting to see how the final rates next week. Mastercrafts did quite well on BBC2.

8 Out of 10 Cats seems to be struggling without Big Brother around it. Even the extra 200k for +1 sends it to 1.6m overall, which is quite low. Lost is also quite low, but I bet it timeshifts well.
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:24
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8 Out of 10 Cats seems to be struggling without Big Brother around it. Even the extra 200k for +1 sends it to 1.6m overall, which is quite low. Lost is also quite low, but I bet it timeshifts well.
That isn't that bad for 8 Out of 10 Cats for a Friday. It's doing just as well as Alan Carr on Thursdays and C4 seem happy enough with him.
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:31
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That isn't that bad for 8 Out of 10 Cats for a Friday. It's doing just as well as Alan Carr on Thursdays and C4 seem happy enough with him.
It's not bad (I just checked and it's even higher than last week which I didn't realise!), but seems quite low by 8 Out of 10 Cats standards. I thought it used to get around 2m or more?
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:36
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It's not bad (I just checked and it's even higher than last week which I didn't realise!), but seems quite low by 8 Out of 10 Cats standards. I thought it used to get around 2m or more?
It only really gets that when Big Brother's around it. I remember the last time it aired without BB on a Friday in 2006. when it was part of C4's disaster of a Friday night-line up along with the dreadful Unanimous, The Simpsons repeats and The War at Home. It aired at 10pm and was getting about 1m which was the highlight of the night, with Unanimous on about 0.7m at 9pm, The Simpsons on about 0.9m at 8.30pm and The War at Home on about 0.4m at 8pm! After a few weeks, The War at Home was yanked, Unanimous shifted to 8pm, with double Simpsons at 9pm and Cats at 10pm. Unanimous dropped to about 0.4m and The Simpsons and Cats both on around 1.0m.

So if anything it did OK last night, ans the line-up as a whole was better around it. Still nothing to shout about though.
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:48
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A few Friday Night 12th February ratings:

9pm
ITV1 - Popstar to Opera Star - 4.4m.
BBC1 - Silent Witness rpt - 3.7m
bbc2 - Mastercrafts - 2.7m
ch4 - Ramsays Kitchen Nightmares USA - 1.7m

10pm
CH4 - 8 out of 10 Cats - 1.4m

Sky1 - Lost - 0.6m



Good night for Popstar to Opera Star then. Looks like it benefited from the repeat Silent Witness.
Thanks.... but just wondering, where are these ratings from? Find it slightly bizarre how Popstar to Operastar rises nearly 1m week on week despite being near ~3.5m for the duration of its run.

Share is also OK for it. Silent Witness repeats appear not to be working well.
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:24
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Seems PTOS benefited from weaker competition. It hasn't been a complete flop either and I reckon a Sunday slot would enable it to do even better and I think it has a lot of potential-also the heavy advertising on TV Burp every week must be helping

CH4 have had a very good start to the year, but surprisingly it's Ramsay who's letting them down. All of his shows are down and I don't really understand why. I'm sure Kitchen Nightmares USA was closer to the 3m mark for the last series. Also 8OTC needs a big show to prop it up it seems as it's lost HALF it's audience since BB finished!
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:30
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Seems PTOS benefited from weaker competition. It hasn't been a complete flop either
No it hasnt. Reading the thread it is interesting that some folks are predicting Michael Winners show will flop also predicted PTOS would hit 2m and get moved to late evening. Do they ever learn?
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:33
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No it hasnt. Reading the thread it is interesting that some folks are predicting Michael Winners show will flop also predicted PTOS would hit 2m and get moved to late evening. Do they ever learn?
Exactly. I reckon his show will do similar to PTOS actually, and I think PTOS has a good chance of being recomissioned.
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:46
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Exactly. I reckon his show will do similar to PTOS actually, and I think PTOS has a good chance of being recomissioned.
When was the last time a show on either BBC1 or ITV1 got recommisioned with only ~3.6m?
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:49
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When was the last time a show on either BBC1 or ITV1 got recommisioned with only ~3.6m?
Moving Wallpaper or Al Murray's Happy Hour?
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:51
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Caroline Flack is hot and current, what a tv show needs. She's particiapating on Dancing on Wheels on BBC3 so there's the reality show quota ticked off. She's presenting Brits coverage for Itv2 so why not give her a promotion to ITV1!
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:51
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Exactly. I reckon his show will do similar to PTOS actually, and I think PTOS has a good chance of being recomissioned.
I also think Popstar to Operastar will come back for another series. Ratings haven't been great, but if the final next week gets more than 4.5m then the series average would be 4.0m. That's not brilliant, but it's not bad either for a Friday night where ITV has had <3m for shows such as Moving Wallpaper, Al Murray, Boy Meets Girl, Mr Eleven, etc.

Apparently, the show counts towards ITV's Arts quota. So if ITV decide to axe it, they'll have to find something else to contribute to the quota and whatever it is, is unlikely to get ~4m. The South Bank Show struggles to get 2m.

I stand by what I said a few weeks ago that the format is limited as there's not that many arias to choose from I think so we'll be hearing a lot of the same songs again in a second series, but I reckon it just about deserves a second chance.
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Old 14-02-2010, 12:52
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When was the last time a show on either BBC1 or ITV1 got recommisioned with only ~3.6m?
Love Island, Moving Wallpaper, The Fixer.

Sometimes slots can be wrong, and whilst the show is by no means perfect, if percevered with ITV Studios could sell it worldwide and rek in profits.

A Sunday evening slot would be difficult as it would be against the BBC's Granny fest.

But given a Tuesday 8pm slot, perhaps it could flourish
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