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The Ratings Thread (Part 7)
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hopeandfaith06
10-03-2010
Does anyone know why Tuesday ratings always seem so low?

ITV never seems to do well, even when they have decent dramas like when they had The Fixer.
BBC is never strong either. 4 million in 9pm slot is nothing to shout about.

Its not like Tuesday is a pub/going out night. So I don't understand?
Georged123
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by hopeandfaith06:
“Does anyone know why Tuesday ratings always seem so low?

ITV never seems to do well, even when they have decent dramas like when they had The Fixer.
BBC is never strong either. 4 million in 9pm slot is nothing to shout about.

Its not like Tuesday is a pub/going out night. So I don't understand?”

A full football schedule, clubs and societies meeting, strong offerings on the smaller terrestrials and multichannels, nothing very good on BBC or ITV.
D.M.N.
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Britain's Got Talent vs Dr Who 2010...

How will this play out?
I am assuming Dr Who will play at 7pm each Saturday from Easter Saturday, and BGT to follow at 7.45pm from 17th April?”

They definitely won't clash. Or at least I hope Jay Hunt and her ITV1 parallel scheduler are not stupid enough to let them clash.

Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Also with Eurovision, and the Champions League Final - patterns may vary week to week?”

I think either BGT will be put on the Sunday, or it will start at 18:30. I think it'd be on the Sunday myself... OR even Friday @ 21:00 if they find themselves struggling to fill that slot.

As for Eurovision, Doctor Who should be fine.

Originally Posted by dubsj:
“I also read that ITV1 are pushing to get the FA Cup Final to start at 5.30pm this year to attract more interest.”

Doesn't surprise me, but I don't think ITV bosses would want Chelsea vs Portsmouth etc.. in primetime TV.
Only_You
10-03-2010
Anyone here have any idea what ITV are going to show between the 2 dancing on ice shows on the 21st? I think WAT ends the week before. (Radio times still has TBA)
dubsj
10-03-2010
Sunday 21st March - ITV1 are show Tribute to Stephen Gateley inbetween the Dancing On Ice shows.
Only_You
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Sunday 21st March - ITV1 are show Tribute to Stephen Gateley inbetween the Dancing On Ice shows.”

Ah, great! Thanks Dubsj!
RobbieSykes123
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by rzt:
“The final ever episode of A Touch of Frost is set to air on Easter Sunday on ITV1, so that's going to be one interesting ratings battle as both shows are capable of getting 8m+.”

Surely, surely, surely the BSI won't pitch Jonathan Creek into battle with A Touch of Frost?

If ITV do have Frost earmarked for Easter Sunday, then Creek surely has to air on Easter Monday?

Maybe that's why Ashes is being delayed because they're putting Creek out on Monday, with Ashes starting the following week?
Fudd
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Sunday 21st March - ITV1 are show Tribute to Stephen Gateley inbetween the Dancing On Ice shows.”

Good scheduling, though they'd have preferred Mikey Graham still being in the competition to draw in some Boyzone fans.

Love the reaction on here to ITV's flopzone - it's happened for so many weeks, why does it get such a huge reaction? Five pre-8pm and BBC1 at 7.30pm and 8.30pm on Monday's also struggle but they don't get the same coverage.

Saying that, it is extremely poor. It won't improve until they have a stabilising influence on the schedule at 8pm; it's so weak at the moment that everything flatlines around it - Holby is big competition.

But poor all round bar Channel 4. As hopeandfaith said, it is strange that Tuesday's tend to struggle (EastEnders has it's biggest lead out of the week, yet rarely - if ever - is it's highest rated episode of the week on a Tuesday) considering it's not a going out night.
Fudd
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“They definitely won't clash. Or at least I hope Jay Hunt and her ITV1 parallel scheduler are not stupid enough to let them clash.”

Two years ago, Doctor Who often started around 7.15pm with Britain's Got Talent starting at 8pm - hopefully that'll remain the same for this year.

[quote=D.M.N.;38963132]
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I think either BGT will be put on the Sunday, or it will start at 18:30. I think it'd be on the Sunday myself... OR even Friday @ 21:00 if they find themselves struggling to fill that slot.”

If I was ITV I'd risk airing Britain's Got Talent at 6.30pm on Saturday. Although it may dip it'd give a brilliant lead in to the Champions League final. If they get nervous, they could always do a TV Burp with it and air a primetime repeat the next day.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“As for Eurovision, Doctor Who should be fine.”

Especially if Over the Rainbow remains on Friday's.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Doesn't surprise me, but I don't think ITV bosses would want Chelsea vs Portsmouth etc.. in primetime TV.”

Though that's better than Fulham vs Portsmouth to be fair.
Georged123
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Love the reaction on here to ITV's flopzone - it's happened for so many weeks, why does it get such a huge reaction? Five pre-8pm and BBC1 at 7.30pm and 8.30pm on Monday's also struggle but they don't get the same coverage.”

I wouldnt say huge. The fact that different shows keep being aired and still fail is of some interest. Five is just very poor anyway and those BBC slots are up against Corrie so hardly an inquest needed. However it is getting a bit repetitive, a bit like The Bill discussion on Fridays.
rzt
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Love the reaction on here to ITV's flopzone - it's happened for so many weeks, why does it get such a huge reaction? Five pre-8pm and BBC1 at 7.30pm and 8.30pm on Monday's also struggle but they don't get the same coverage.”

I don't think you can really compare Five to ITV1! I mean, Five are usually bottom of the terrestrial rankings anyway. But it's unusual for ITV1 to come bottom (or second bottom). Also, BBC1 are getting better figures at 7.30 and 8.30pm against Corrie than what ITV1 is getting against shows which don't get anywhere near the ratings Corrie gets.

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“Saying that, it is extremely poor. It won't improve until they have a stabilising influence on the schedule at 8pm; it's so weak at the moment that everything flatlines around it - Holby is big competition.”

Holby is tough competition, but ITV1 used to clear 4m on Tuesday nights even two years ago. Now, they're getting just over half of that. Their Tuesday ratings at the moment are shocking.

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“(EastEnders has it's biggest lead out of the week, yet rarely - if ever - is it's highest rated episode of the week on a Tuesday)”

I don't think lead outs mean anything really, unless it's a huge show like Corrie/XF/BGT which get 10m+. Why would EE get a boost in their rating when a show following it gets 6m - about 4m less than what EE gets?
Fudd
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“I wouldnt say huge. The fact that different shows keep being aired and still fail is of some interest. Five is just very poor anyway and those BBC slots are up against Corrie so hardly an inquest needed. However it is getting a bit repetitive, a bit like The Bill discussion on Fridays.”

Yeah, that's what I meant. It's not like it's going to change soon so I think we're going to have a few more weeks of it.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Holby is tough competition, but ITV1 used to clear 4m on Tuesday nights even two years ago. Now, they're getting just over half of that. Their Tuesday ratings at the moment are shocking.”

I guess losing the Emmerdale hour long has hurt ITV badly. The 8pm slot was getting a 5m+ lead in, now it's getting 2m+.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“I don't think lead outs mean anything really, unless it's a huge show like Corrie/XF/BGT which get 10m+. Why would EE get a boost in their rating when a show following it gets 6m - about 4m less than what EE gets?”

What I mean is usually EastEnders has something which only gets 4m (at best) following it, so I would've thought that the overnights on Monday/Thursday/Friday may suffer a bit of a dip (I think Thursday's do but Monday doesn't) compared to Tuesday because of the final couple of minutes (like Coronation Street tends to dip as people switch from watching Dining Stars). Then again, I suppose EastEnders runs to fill the half hour whereas Coronation Street doesn't.
rzt
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Surely, surely, surely the BSI won't pitch Jonathan Creek into battle with A Touch of Frost?

If ITV do have Frost earmarked for Easter Sunday, then Creek surely has to air on Easter Monday?

Maybe that's why Ashes is being delayed because they're putting Creek out on Monday, with Ashes starting the following week?”

Hmmm... I think Jonathan Creek could hold its own against A Touch of Frost, though it would inevitably rate lower than what it would get against weaker competition.

The likelihood is that A Touch of Frost will air on 28/3 and 4/4. But it's interesting... there's been some talk about a two night finale over Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. Now if that were to happen, that would scupper your idea regarding Creek and be tough competition for BBC1 over the Easter weekend.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I guess losing the Emmerdale hour long has hurt ITV badly. The 8pm slot was getting a 5m+ lead in, now it's getting 2m+.”

I suppose so. But Emmerdale's been boosted by the schedule change, so it swings about I guess.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“What I mean is usually EastEnders has something which only gets 4m (at best) following it, so I would've thought that the overnights on Monday/Thursday/Friday may suffer a bit of a dip (I think Thursday's do but Monday doesn't) compared to Tuesday because of the final couple of minutes (like Coronation Street tends to dip as people switch from watching Dining Stars). Then again, I suppose EastEnders runs to fill the half hour whereas Coronation Street doesn't.”

EE doesn't finish 5 mins early like Corrie so it's not much of an issue. In fact, it's more likely to dip in the final 5 mins of Tuesday and Thursday episodes because it finishes about 7:57pm to accomodate the BBC News update which leaves 3 mins for EE viewers to switch off. On Mondays and Fridays, often the episodes finish close to half past so there's less of a dip in the final 5 mins.
iaindb
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Britain's Got Talent vs Dr Who 2010...

How will this play out?
I am assuming Dr Who will play at 7pm each Saturday from Easter Saturday, and BGT to follow at 7.45pm from 17th April?
”

I have a horrible feeling Dr Who will run at 6.15 to provide a lead in to ALW and allow both programmes to finish before BGT starts.

Originally Posted by hopeandfaith06:
“Does anyone know why Tuesday ratings always seem so low?

ITV never seems to do well, even when they have decent dramas like when they had The Fixer.
BBC is never strong either. 4 million in 9pm slot is nothing to shout about.

Its not like Tuesday is a pub/going out night. So I don't understand?”

I watched the first episode of The Fixer because it was a Kudos production - they being the producers of Life On Mars and Hustle (and Spooks but I don't watch that one.)

I found it dull and charmless and I'm not surprised it finally came a cropper.


By the way - anyone know what BBC1 has planned for Saturday March 27th between their all-day Rugby on March 20th and the return of Dr Who on April 3rd?

Also, I notice Masterchef is 1 quarter-final down, losing its slot on Friday 19th to Sports relief.
Fudd
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Hmmm... I think Jonathan Creek could hold its own against A Touch of Frost, though it would inevitably rate lower than what it would get against weaker competition.”

I agree - indeed, I think Creek could beat Frost; at the very least there'd be little more than a million between them.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“The likelihood is that A Touch of Frost will air on 28/3 and 4/4. But it's interesting... there's been some talk about a two night finale over Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. Now if that were to happen, that would scupper your idea regarding Creek and be tough competition for BBC1 over the Easter weekend.”

Especially as Britain's Got Talent will hold up Saturday's schedule. Has anyone any idea what's replacing Dancing on Ice on Sunday's yet?

Originally Posted by rzt:
“I suppose so. But Emmerdale's been boosted by the schedule change, so it swings about I guess.”

Yeah, Thursday's are far more stable but Tuesday's are suffering as a result.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“EE doesn't finish 5 mins early like Corrie so it's not much of an issue. In fact, it's more likely to dip in the final 5 mins of Tuesday and Thursday episodes because it finishes about 7:57pm to accomodate the BBC News update which leaves 3 mins for EE viewers to switch off. On Mondays and Fridays, often the episodes finish close to half past so there's less of a dip in the final 5 mins.”

True, hadn't considered that when I wrote at first.
rzt
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Has anyone any idea what's replacing Dancing on Ice on Sunday's yet?”

There'll be two hour detective dramas such as A Touch of Frost, Foyle's War, Lewis (most likely in that order). Not sure about 7pm/8pm - I'd guess Heartbeat as it was reported a few weeks ago that it'll get a Spring airing.

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I have a horrible feeling Dr Who will run at 6.15 to provide a lead in to ALW and allow both programmes to finish before BGT starts.”

Me too. It'll still rate well of course, but 7pm is a much better slot especially on hot summer days!
iaindb
10-03-2010
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Hmmm... I think Jonathan Creek could hold its own against A Touch of Frost, though it would inevitably rate lower than what it would get against weaker competition.

The likelihood is that A Touch of Frost will air on 28/3 and 4/4. But it's interesting... there's been some talk about a two night finale over Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. Now if that were to happen, that would scupper your idea regarding Creek and be tough competition for BBC1 over the Easter weekend.
”

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I agree - indeed, I think Creek could beat Frost; at the very least there'd be little more than a million between them.
”

It's been well documented ever since it was commissioned that the new JC would be on at Easter. Would ITV really want to put Frost on against it? Doesn't that stop Frost fulfiling its full potential? Methinks it would certainly lose out in the coveted 16-34 age group.

Worth noting that the last 3 part series of Frost in October 2008 rated 8.37, 8.52 and 8.16 in the officials, way way down on what it used to get at its peak whilst the last Creek on New Year's Day 2009 had 9.91m, well over 1m above what the last 3 part series attracted in February 2004 (8.39, 8.45 and 8.07).
Cent
11-03-2010
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Especially if Over the Rainbow remains on Friday's.”

Over the Rainbow is going to run on Saturdays, with the final the week before Eurovision.
sn_22
11-03-2010
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Two years ago, Doctor Who often started around 7.15pm with Britain's Got Talent starting at 8pm - hopefully that'll remain the same for this year.”

It would be the obvious solution... which is why I'm almost sure it'll never happen.

BBC One have totally overstacked themselves again. The above will leave Over the Rainbow starting at 6pm, and new episodes of Total Wipeout at 5pm (when repeats have been airing in the 6pm hour for the last few weeks...). I've a feeling Doctor Who could end up bumped back as much as possible creating an overlap with BGT.
Cent
11-03-2010
Is Doctor Who definitely on Saturday nights?

It's not been moved to Sunday? It did perform well there Easter Sunday and then again for the Waters of Mars special last year.
JCR
11-03-2010
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I have a horrible feeling Dr Who will run at 6.15 to provide a lead in to ALW and allow both programmes to finish before BGT starts.”

I think they'll protect DW more than they did with series 4 to ensure the new team is a success.
JCR
11-03-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Is Doctor Who definitely on Saturday nights?

It's not been moved to Sunday? It did perform well there Easter Sunday and then again for the Waters of Mars special last year.”

Well the start date has been confirmed at saturday 3rd.
Charnham
11-03-2010
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Presumably the BBC has signed a new contract with Hat Trick, then? The autumn '09 series was the final one of a two-year (four series) deal.”

nothing on the linked website, but I see not reason the BBC would not sign another 2 year deal, if that is the standard deal for the show.
dubsj
11-03-2010
So Justin Lee Collins new show on Five launches on Monday 29th March @ 10pm off the back of Flashfoward.
Will it work for JLC this time?
dubsj
11-03-2010
10.3.2010

Lambing Live 2.4m / 9.9%
John Lewis 2.7m / 11.1% - peaked 3m
Rhod Gilbert Work Experience 1.4m / 7.4%

MAsterchef 3.8m / 15.7%
Famous Rich 3.6m / 14.6%

Emmerdale 7m / 32.9%
Champions League 7.2m peaked 8.6m / 30.3% peaked 36.3%

Relocation 2.1m / 8.55
Ramsay 1.6m / 6.5%
Desperate Housewives 1.5m / 8.8%

NCIS 2m / 8.4%
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