Totally forgot about them. The Fixer I'm not sure falls under this category, seeing as its audience went from 6m to 4m throughout Series 1.

Nothing will ever, ever, ever, ever flourish at 8pm on Tuesday nights on ITV1. Ever, ever, ever....... ever!!

Yeah, there's a greater incentive to keep it going as it's an ITV Studios show. The situation will be made a lot clearer once we see the ratings for upcoming Friday night shows. I know some people think Michael Winner's show will do okay, but I've got a feeling it will bomb .

Piers Morgan On...?
Cops With Cameras?
Hells Kitchen?

I think next weeks final rating will decide its future, because it's a good sign if it keeps on increasing.

Amanda Holdens first documentay for Itv1 got 4.1 million (18%] in December with an corrie lead in. Does this mean she'll get an recommission and given a friday slot and a corrie lead in

They're all cheap Popstar isn't and the first two you can repeat on Itv 3/4.
Considering Itv say HELLS KITCHEN [ an itv studios production] was too expensive [despite the cost being spread over 2/3 weeks] I cant see how they'll recommission popstar to operastar with far worse ratings and being more costly.

I suggest for her next Fantasy Live, she learns how to be a computer hacker and hacks into the BARB computer.

Top Rated Programmes 2010
1.. Amanda Holden's Fantasy Lives Series 2.....28.73m
2...Britain's Got Talent....27.40m
3...Big Top Christmas Special....27.25m
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247..The X Factor Final...2.33m

Is Piers Morgan's show really that cheap? I was under the impression it was quite costly, in terms of factual. Also PTOS is not getting far worse ratings that Hells Kitchen. HK has been known to drop below 3m.

Piers Morgans documentarys are him and a camera crew and a few researchers.There is no studio hire, orchestra,
presenters, judges,dancers, celebrity contestants ,,lighting technicians, runners, etc to pay and cater for.Crucially Itv can repeat it in Itv3 for the next 20 years if they wish

How many times did HK dip below 3m with a corrie lead in?From my memory it took its hardest hits against the apprentice, Im sure it didnt have Silent witness repeats and craft learning shows as its main competition

Last year, there were 2 Friday episodes of Hell's Kitchen which got 3.9m and 4.0m. The first week it faced 'The Real Swiss Family Robinson' which only had 2.6m on BBC1 and the second week it was up against HIGNFY/Reggie Perrin which had 5m+.

The 2007 series of Hell's Kitchen officially averaged 3.9m and that was recommisioned. Popstar to Operastar is set to have a higher official average. I suppose it depends on how costly it is. It's cheaper than the drama and comedies which ITV has had in that slot and received lower ratings.

Well if Hells kitchen was too expensive nightly over 15 nights then six nights of popstar to operastar will definately be too expensive.

Even the beeb with its jacquzzi of cash couldnt justify the cost of the live shows of Last choir standing.Even though it had better share and ratings for its live episodes than popstar to operastar.

IIRC a lot of the cost of was associated with the venue and the support staff which shouldnt be an issue with a studio based series such as PTOS. If it fills an Ofcom quota re arts, so much the better from an ITV perspective

BBC1's budget is much smaller than ITV1's is, even after the budget cuts.

Apparently £1million was blown on food as well, as Marco demanded the best ingredients! It was actually quite expensive. I think Hell's Kitchen did well amongst 16-34s, which is why it was recommissioned. I can't see PSTOS proving too attractive amongst them. Although if it fills Ofcom's silly quota then I'm sure it'll be back, as I can't think of anything else they have that'll do that job for them.

As for Piers Morgan's show, that'll be cheap as chips for them as all they have to pay for is him, a crew and flights. I think it costs around £100-150k per episode overall, so it's very profitable for them, so I think it'll be back for a third run. Same applies to Griff Rhys Jones's show, which is due back next month despite the first series only averaging 3.3m in October 2008.

Well, the previous bulletin was at 4pm, which seemed a bit of a lengthy gap. It made more sense putting it at 10.15 because it was also a more familiar slot, I think, it's normally around that time on a Saturday.

Incidentally, the repeat of the Michael Johnson skiing documentary at 1pm was dropped, with Dan Walker saying on Football Focus that they felt it was inappropriate after the death of the Olympics participant. So Focus ended fifteen minutes later and the rugby build-up started fifteen minutes earlier.


No, no, no, the clue is in the title, HARRY HILL's TV Burp, therefore the selling point is HARRY HILL. And as ITV seem unwilling to give the great man any other shows, I would like to see as much Harry Hill as possible on a Harry Hill programme, because he is brilliant. The fact that he's talking about TV is by the by. It's like saying there aren't enough questions on Have I Got News For You, the quiz element is simply a crutch for the jokes. If you want to watch just TV clips, watch the shows themselves.

The K Factor is a lot of fun, it's an X Factor parody, yes, but it's not an X Factor promotion. They did an X Factor parody on Blue Peter the other day. It's simply an obvious format that everyone knows so they can take the piss out of it.

Anyway, when this show was on at 11pm, they did At Home With The Pop Idol Judges, which went on just as long as The K Factor, there was one episode where they completely got bored with the plot and just sang Crazy In Love in its entirety which was hilarious. It is possible for a show on prime time ITV to simply do what it wants, given that the writers include grizzled old hacks like David Quantick, who I seriously doubt would ever kowtow to any ITV directive.

Look, even if ITV demanded a competition, first of all they did something that was completely free to enter with a worthless prize and involved the TV Burp team having to go out of their way to arrange something, and then they do a competition where viewers have to be creative, as opposed to texting in the answer to a piss-easy "question". TV Burp is a brilliant show, the most creative thing on the air by miles, and it deserves no criticism whatsoever.


Not neccessarily, because obviously it takes much, much longer to rehearse. And there are numerous hoops they have to jump through in terms of risk assessments and standbys in case things go wrong, and much else.

There was a live soap in the modern era, Together, which was made by Southern TV and was shown live for a few weeks in 1981, which was riddled with cock-ups. The high point was apparently when the designers managed to wallpaper an entire room during an ad break.

£100-150k that is alot of chips.

still the expression " cheap as chips" is not true anymore, chips have shot up in price, go to any chip shop they have poster telling you why this is the case, and dont start me talking abut the price of fish.

Whatever smart arse!

What I meant though is that compared to £700k for a drama or £250-350k for something like Popstar To operastar (at a guess) it's pretty cheap.

As for Michael Winner's show, ITV aired a trailer for it last night and it looks deliciously bad. So bad that I think I'll have to go out of my way to watch it, as it looks too much fun to miss!

Having worked at a research company who buys demographic ratings information from BARB and sells it on to advertising companies, let me tell you this.

The ratings are VERY inaccurate and are often not taken as gospel by TV networks, advertisers, and TV regulaters.

I think some of you put too much on ratings.

If a certain section of the audience are a certain age, and watch it, but maybe the overall viewing figure isnt great, the program will more often than not stay on TV.

The 18-30 demo is the one most advertisers want and pay for, so even if the program gets fairly low ratings, but out of those people watching most are 18-30, it will stay on air because advertisers will pay for that demographic.

On the BBC of course this makes no difference so my point is erm...pointless.

Ha.

on that point I agree

This is a RATINGS thread. Do you go into churches and tell the worshipers there is no God?

I can't see Popstar to Operastar being re commissioned. ITV was expecting 8 million viewers for this and has less than half. Possibly opera and ITV aren't a good match. This could have worked better on the BBC as the audience is a bit more demanding.
Hell's Kitchen isn't that cheap. The host will probably want a million for presenting it, the B list celebs fees will come to two million and you can add an extra three million for production and promotional costs. Also ratings had fallen to 4 million and, as the show can't be repeated and DVD interest would be very minimal( same as most reality shows), I can see ITV's reason for ditching it.

You know this how? I very much doubt they expected more than 4-5m for the show.

Glenn's sort of right. Apparently ITV were expecting around 5.5-6.5m for the launch and expected it to be a "grower". (I heard about this on another forum a few mins ago).

Really surprised they had such high expectations as not even XF, BGT or SCD launched with such high figures!

According to an insider on another forum, they expected 5.5m to 6.5m.


BBC, ITV, C4 and Sky help contribute to the system, so I strongly doubt it is true. The words are in the name "Broadcasters' Audience Research Board".

The reason BBC1 moved the news to 10.15 was because there was a major offensive by allied troops in Afghanistan.

There was no reason for BBC1 to schedule the news at 11pm, anyway. They're not ITV. Certainly no reason to stick it on after a repeat of Live At The Apollo which was so young it was wearing nappies. (I'm aware that it was a revised repeat - an extended version of the original 30 minute show.)