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The Ratings Thread (Part 7)
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Chris1964
21-03-2010
For Robbie Sykes.

Televisions Greatest Hits is a BBC book, so the link with the TV show appears certain. It was compiled by Paul Gambaccini and Rod Taylor and released in 1993-never to see the light of day again seemingly.

As a random example of how popular Boxing once was on pre satellite tv:

1985 Barry Mcguigan v Eusebio Pedroza-18.00 million BBC
1986 Barry Mcguigan v Denilo Cabrera-18.3 million BBC
1987 Frank Bruno v Joe Bugner-16.30 million at 10.30 pm ITV
1989 Frank Bruno v Mike Tyson -a recording at 3.00 pm-17.9 million BBC

Certainly Boxings relevance has diminished markedly since it became virtually confined to the SKY box.
RobbieSykes123
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“1989 Frank Bruno v Mike Tyson -a recording at 3.00 pm-17.9 million BBC”

18m at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon?

That cannot possibly be correct. Indeed, if it was, it would have made the BARB Top 10 for 1989, and it doesn't.
RobbieSykes123
22-03-2010
Whilst looking at the 1980s BARB Top 10s, I notice the 1982 Top 10 is very odd:

1 Film: The Spy Who Loved Me 28 Mar 1982 ITV 22.90
2 This Is Your Life 06 Jan 1982 ITV 19.30
3 Coronation Street 06 Jan 1982 ITV 18.95
4 Film: Force 10 From Navarone 10 Jan 1982 ITV 18.90
5 The Gentle Touch 08 Jan 1982 ITV 18.10
6 The Benny Hill Show 06 Jan 1982 ITV 17.95
7 Family Fortunes 09 Jan 1982 ITV 17.35
8 ITN News 25 Apr 1982 ITV 17.25
9 London Night Out 13 Jan 1982 ITV 17.20
10 Play Your Cards Right 08 Jan 1982 ITV 16.85

Not only does ITV have all top 10 shows but eight! of them were aired in the week 6-13 January 1982!

That was some week - no doubt new series all launching to great interest and getting their highest ratings of the year, but what a week that must have been for ITV, and conversely for BBC1!
Chris1964
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“18m at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon?

That cannot possibly be correct. Indeed, if it was, it would have made the BARB Top 10 for 1989, and it doesn't.”

Yes, there are probably scores of errors-two have been pointed out from the 10 or so I have quoted. Presumably, if this had been an ongoing publication like The Guiness Book of Hit Singles, then these errors may have been ironed out.
Chris1964
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Whilst looking at the 1980s BARB Top 10s, I notice the 1982 Top 10 is very odd:

1 Film: The Spy Who Loved Me 28 Mar 1982 ITV 22.90
2 This Is Your Life 06 Jan 1982 ITV 19.30
3 Coronation Street 06 Jan 1982 ITV 18.95
4 Film: Force 10 From Navarone 10 Jan 1982 ITV 18.90
5 The Gentle Touch 08 Jan 1982 ITV 18.10
6 The Benny Hill Show 06 Jan 1982 ITV 17.95
7 Family Fortunes 09 Jan 1982 ITV 17.35
8 ITN News 25 Apr 1982 ITV 17.25
9 London Night Out 13 Jan 1982 ITV 17.20
10 Play Your Cards Right 08 Jan 1982 ITV 16.85

Not only does ITV have all top 10 shows but eight! of them were aired in the week 6-13 January 1982!

That was some week - no doubt new series all launching to great interest and getting their highest ratings of the year, but what a week that must have been for ITV, and conversely for BBC1!”

Yes the pre Grade, pre Eastenders early eighties were a desperate time for BBC1 with no soap worth the name and most of their seventies stars having flown the nest-the press walloped the BBC with tirades against their low ratings-curiously opposite to what they do now. I can remember one particular report when the BBC only got one show in the top fifty of one month-The Paul Daniels Magic Show.
Chris1964
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“18m at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon?

That cannot possibly be correct. Indeed, if it was, it would have made the BARB Top 10 for 1989, and it doesn't.”

Half a thought that the fight was shown on BBC and ITV and the 17.9 million might have been a combination of both showings. Not sure-clutching at straws really.
Cent
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Whilst looking at the 1980s BARB Top 10s, I notice the 1982 Top 10 is very odd:

1 Film: The Spy Who Loved Me 28 Mar 1982 ITV 22.90
2 This Is Your Life 06 Jan 1982 ITV 19.30
3 Coronation Street 06 Jan 1982 ITV 18.95
4 Film: Force 10 From Navarone 10 Jan 1982 ITV 18.90
5 The Gentle Touch 08 Jan 1982 ITV 18.10
6 The Benny Hill Show 06 Jan 1982 ITV 17.95
7 Family Fortunes 09 Jan 1982 ITV 17.35
8 ITN News 25 Apr 1982 ITV 17.25
9 London Night Out 13 Jan 1982 ITV 17.20
10 Play Your Cards Right 08 Jan 1982 ITV 16.85

Not only does ITV have all top 10 shows but eight! of them were aired in the week 6-13 January 1982!

That was some week - no doubt new series all launching to great interest and getting their highest ratings of the year, but what a week that must have been for ITV, and conversely for BBC1!”

This will explain why...

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/repor...d-and-snow.htm
craig-maclellan
22-03-2010
On, ahem, Wikipedia, is says that Outnumbered is going to be going on Saturday nights, starting Easter Saturday (April 3rd). There's a link to Hat Trick's website, but I can't see anything there. I can't see this happening either, as that would leave BBC One having to schedule Total Wipeout, Doctor Who, Over The Rainbow, Lottery (draws or show?), Casualty, Over The Rainbow Results and the news, all before Match of the Day @ 10:30.

I think they'd be best with a Saturday/Sunday split. They could go:

Saturday
17:30 Total Wipeout
18:30 Doctor Who
19:15 Over The Rainbow
20:30 Who Dares Wins
21:20 Casualty
22:10 News
22:30 MOTD

Sunday
18:00 Countryfile
19:00 Antiques Roadshow
20:00 Over The Rainbow Results
20:30 Outnumbered
21:00 Drama/factual

Over The Rainbow's live show will be running for eight weeks. With Outnumbered a seven-part series, this would allow them to move the Over The Rainbow results back to Saturday for the final show. All seems to fit in quite well...so BBC One obviously won't go with this
Steve Williams
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Half a thought that the fight was shown on BBC and ITV and the 17.9 million might have been a combination of both showings. Not sure-clutching at straws really.”

No, of course this was big news because it was the first big event shown live on Sky, who screened it on the Saturday night, and this replay got a massive audience because, of course, nobody had Sky. That year Sky also showed Bros' post-Ken concert live, which also later showed up on BBC1, but nobody watched that on either channel.

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“TV listings for the first week of September were something to get excited about in those days because there would be a whole rash of new series every night of the week. Same with the first full week of January. ”

Amen to that. I remember the People's TV guide, the one that used to do the telly for the week after next to get a jump on the Radio Times, announcing that the first week of January is a massive week for telly, "only the first week of September has more new shows".

I remember Russ Abbott had a compilation on the Saturday before his new series began on the Friday. The last time I can remember being amazed by the telly in the first week of September was in 1996, when Top of the Pops had moved to Fridays in the summer "temporarily" and I was expecting to see it come back to Thursdays, only Watchdog was there and Pops had been dumped to opposite Corrie.

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I can't remember which rights ITV and C4 had, but I'm sure they were always Friday night meets.”

ITV had the rights to British athletics in the late eighties and early nineties so it would normally be Grand Prix from Sheffield and Crystal Palace, while the Beeb had international meets. ITV showed a few international events too, though, they had the Weitklasse (is that it?) meet in Zurich for a while.

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Surprised it had so many post-watershed airings in the first decade.

Was it considered a bit "edgy" in those days? ”

Summer Wine was very much a slow burner and the first few series didn't do very much in the ratings, so the Beeb used to give it slots previously vacated by the likes of Till Death Us Do Part and Perrin to help it out a bit. Also, it was quite an unusual show in those days, very slow moving and subtle - indeed in Forty Years of British Television, another good telly book, there's a letter from someone in the Radio Times in 1979 complaining about it becoming too vulgar and the audience laughter being too loud and inappropriate.

Monday and Thursday at 8.30 used to be a popular slot for BBC1 sitcoms as ITV were showing World In Action and This Week respectively, so you were guaranteed a good audience. This Week ended at the end of 1992, but World In Action stayed there until the end of 1995 before they dumped it opposite EastEnders. The last new sitcom to benefit from that easy slot was The Thin Blue Line.
newkid30
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Robbie, as pointed out a few times previously ITV1's current Sunday night lineup is actually 3 times more popular with 16-34s compared to BBC1's lineup. The average age of an Antiques Roadshow viewer is 62 years, which is much more than Dancing on Ice's audience. Seven Ages of Britain is one of the least popular programmes on at 9pm during the week with 16-34s. Let's not get confused: the nursing homes and grannies are tuned into BBC1.”

And yet LarkRise to Cranford gets the same 18-34 rating as Law and Order UK, which is often cited as a show that does well in this category
D.M.N.
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“18m at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon?

That cannot possibly be correct. Indeed, if it was, it would have made the BARB Top 10 for 1989, and it doesn't.”

Robbie, wait until England (or any other big team) play in the afternoon during the World Cup...
dubsj
22-03-2010
21.3.2010

Harry Hill 3.9m / 16.9%
Dancing On Ice 8m / 29.8%
Tribute to Stephen Gateley 7.5m / 27.7%
Dancing on Ice 7.5m / 28.5%

Come Dine With Me 2.4m / 8.6%
Restoration Man 2.3m / 8.6%

Countryfile 5.7m / 27.3%
Antiques Roadshow 6.9m / 27.5%
Lark Rise 5.8m / 21.0%
Seven Ages of Britain 3.3m /12.6%

Man U v Liverpool 1.9m
D.M.N.
22-03-2010
ignore - about to post bigger list below.

An interesting night. ITV's figures for Dancing on Ice I don't consider "good", as it should be higher, and BBC One is closing the gap to them on Sunday's - only let down by a horrible 9pm rating, nearly beaten by BBC Two.

EDIT, no comment: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/strictly...-continue.html
Brekkie
22-03-2010
I think in comparison with the series so far Dancing on Ice figures last night aren't bad at all. Shocked at the Boyzone figure too - didn't see that getting more than 6m or so.


And I echo the comments above about the loss of the impact of the "new season" in September and January. Not that long ago Easter viewing would be something to look forward to do - even regular Bank Holidays. I'm not even in a rush to buy the Christmas TV guides anymore as they've become so predictable - BBC1 Christmas Day especially.
newkid30
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“And I echo the comments above about the loss of the impact of the "new season" in September and January. Not that long ago Easter viewing would be something to look forward to do - even regular Bank Holidays. I'm not even in a rush to buy the Christmas TV guides anymore as they've become so predictable - BBC1 Christmas Day especially.”

While I agree with this, I think one huge difference nowadays is that movies etc are downloadable and on DVD very quickly. when I was younger, we would be REALLY excited to see what films would be on over the holidays because we might not have seen them, and there was often a LONG delay before DVDs.
Also with American shows, you would be dieing for them to start on TV, now you can watch them on youtube or download them. Media has changed alot and people can access most things instantly themselves, they don't rely on broadcasters to do that for them.
I just think TV isn't as important as it was except for Live events. Times are very different now.
I suppose though alot of people are probably looking forward to Ashes to Ashes and Doctor Who??
GeorgeS
22-03-2010
What about the nights big event - Nick Clegg & Mary Nightingale?
D.M.N.
22-03-2010
Sunday 21st March 2010
BBC One
06:00 - Breakfast: 0.5m (25.6%)
09:00 - The Andrew Marr Show: 1.8m (24.1%)
10:00 - The Big Questions: 1.1m (13.9%)
11:00 - Country Tracks: 1.3m (16.8%)
12:00 - The Politics Show: 1.0m (12.4%)
13:00 - Sport Relief: Amazon Adventure: 1.1m (11.6%)
13:45 - Match of the Day Live: 1.6m (13.8%)
16:05 - The Sport Relief Mile Show: 2.0m (12.9%)
17:35 - BBC News: 3.6m (19.3%)
17:50 - Regional News and Weather: 4.2m (22.1%)
18:00 - Countryfile: 5.7m (27.3%)
19:00 - Antiques Roadshow: 6.9m (27.5%)
20:00 - Lark Rise to Candleford: 5.8m (21.0%)
21:00 - Seven Ages of Britain: 3.3m (12.6%)
22:00 - BBC News: 4.0m (17.7%)
22:15 - Regional News and Weather: 3.7m (17.9%)
22:25 - Eddie Izzard: Marathon Man: 2.2m (15.1%)

BBC Two
10:00 - Something for the Weekend: 1.0m (12.5%)
11:30 - On Thin Ice: 0.6m (7.3%)
12:15 - Monk: 0.6m (6.8%)
13:00 - EastEnders: 0.9m (8.9%)
14:25 - FILM: The Kid: 1.0m (8.5%)
16:00 - Escape to the Country: 1.1m (8.1%)
16:30 - Songs of Praise: 1.1m (7.0%)
17:05 - Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections: 1.1m (6.5%)
17:55 - Sport Relief Does Dragons' Den: 1.3m (6.1%)
19:00 - Top Gear: 2.1m (8.5%)
20:00 - Tropic of Cancer: 2.4m (8.7%)
21:00 - Wonders of the Solar System: 3.1m (11.7%)
22:00 - Match of the Day 2: 2.9m (15.5%)

ITV1
09:25 - Coronation Street Omnibus: 0.4m (5.1%)
11:45 - ITV News & Weather: 0.5m (5.7%)
12:00 - This Morning: Sunday: 0.6m (7.6%)
13:00 - FILM: Columbo and the Murder of a Rock Star: 1.2m (11.3%)
15:05 - Agatha Christie's Poirot: 1.3m (10.1%)
16:10 - Foyle's War: 2.1m (12.4%)
18:15 - Regional News and Weather: 2.8m (13.5%)
18:30 - ITV News & Weather: 3.2m (14.8%)
18:50 - Harry Hill's TV Burp: 3.9m (16.9%)
19:20 - Dancing on Ice: 8.0m (29.8%)
20:30 - Boyzone: A Tribute to Stephen Gately: 7.5m (27.7%)
21:30 - Dancing on Ice - The Skate-Off: 7.5m (28.5%)
22:00 - ITV News & Weather: 4.1m (18.3%)
22:15 - Mary Nightingale Interviews Nick Clegg: 1.1m (6.8%)
23:15 - Piers Morgan on Sandbanks: 0.8m (9.7%)

Channel 4
16:45 - Deal or No Deal: 1.7m
17:30 - Glee: 0.9m
18:30 - Channel 4 News: 0.5m
19:00 - Embarrassing Bodies: 1.1m
20:00 - Come Dine with Me: 2.4m (8.6%)
21:00 - The Restoration Man: 2.4m (8.6%)
22:05 - FILM: Road to Perdition: 0.9m

Five
15:25 - FILM: Krull: 0.6m (4.2%)
17:45 - Five News: 0.5m (2.7%)
17:55 - FILM: Zathura: A Space Adventure: 1.3m (5.8%)
20:00 - FILM: Into the Blue: 1.5m (5.4%)
22:00 - FILM: Snatch: 1.3m (9.0%)

Not good for This Morning's spin off, not good for Clegg.
newkid30
22-03-2010
Really bad scheduling by the Beeb running, seven ages of Britain and Solar Systems on at the same time. Solar Systems is doing really well, it gets 5m a week on BBC2 between Sunday and repeat show. It's the best new show I've seen in a long time, and lovely to see a new passionate presenter who knows what he's talking about.
I would imagine it gets a good demo too, male and under 34, though I'm female and Love it

That Boyzone number is amazing Is it higher than what WAH usually gets?
GeorgeS
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by newkid30:
“That Boyzone number is amazing Is it higher than what WAH usually gets?”

Quote:
“Last week:
Dancing On Ice: 7.6m / 29.7%
Wild At Heart: 6.5m / 24.6%
Dancing on Ice: 6.9m / 27.25”

about 1m higher that last week's WAH
Wryip
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by craig-maclellan:
“On, ahem, Wikipedia, is says that Outnumbered is going to be going on Saturday nights, starting Easter Saturday (April 3rd). There's a link to Hat Trick's website, but I can't see anything there. I can't see this happening either, as that would leave BBC One having to schedule Total Wipeout, Doctor Who, Over The Rainbow, Lottery (draws or show?), Casualty, Over The Rainbow Results and the news, all before Match of the Day @ 10:30.

I think they'd be best with a Saturday/Sunday split. They could go:

Saturday
17:30 Total Wipeout
18:30 Doctor Who
19:15 Over The Rainbow
20:30 Who Dares Wins
21:20 Casualty
22:10 News
22:30 MOTD

Sunday
18:00 Countryfile
19:00 Antiques Roadshow
20:00 Over The Rainbow Results
20:30 Outnumbered
21:00 Drama/factual

Over The Rainbow's live show will be running for eight weeks. With Outnumbered a seven-part series, this would allow them to move the Over The Rainbow results back to Saturday for the final show. All seems to fit in quite well...so BBC One obviously won't go with this ”

With Ashes to Ashes taking the Friday slot, perhaps Have I got news for you may move to Sunday? If so perhaps BBC1 could go with

6.00 News
6.15 Countyfile
7.15 Over The rainbow
8.00 Antiques Roadshow
9.00 Outnumbered
9.30 Have I got News for You
10.00 News
Charnham
22-03-2010
HIGNFY is on Thursday
Wryip
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“HIGNFY is on Thursday”

Is that starting 1st April? What is it paired up with?
Charnham
22-03-2010
Masterchef for the first week, on 1st April
Wryip
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“Masterchef for the first week, on 1st April”

Thanks
Chris1964
22-03-2010
Originally Posted by newkid30:
“Really bad scheduling by the Beeb running, seven ages of Britain and Solar Systems on at the same time. Solar Systems is doing really well, it gets 5m a week on BBC2 between Sunday and repeat show. It's the best new show I've seen in a long time, and lovely to see a new passionate presenter who knows what he's talking about.
I would imagine it gets a good demo too, male and under 34, though I'm female and Love it

That Boyzone number is amazing Is it higher than what WAH usually gets?”

I would imagine some of the people who had been watching Seven Ages up to now would have been put off completely with last nights arty/sexual theme of the 20th century. David Dimblebys meeting with the two "living statues" and then Tracey Emin was quite odd imo-Traceys x rated picture show partly obscured by Davids head is one of the more memorably peculiar sequences this year.
3.3 million is very poor though.
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