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Neither does Waking the Dead or Trial and Retribution, but cosier cop shows like Midsommer murders, New Tricks, Inspector George Gently and Lewis do.
I've said this before but since the thread's gone into another part I'll say it again, but back in the nineties, William Phillips, Broadcast's brilliant ratings analyst, pointed out that drama series repeats didn't work, because ITV would sometimes repeat series of London's Burning or Soldier Soldier and they didn't do very well - I remember one repeat run of Soldier Soldier, at the height of Robson and Jerome mania, being abandoned halfway through because it was dying. Something like that isn't worth repeating, really. They even used to repeat Casualty in between series, back when there were rather fewer episodes. I remember ITV repeating Moll Flanders, which had been a huge hit, at 9pm in 1998, but after two episodes they dumped it to 11pm and stuck Alright on the Night repeats on instead. But really, if you weren't bothered enough with that kind of show to watch it the first time, why would you be any more interested eighteen months later? And unlike something like Morse, where even if you know the killer you can enjoy spotting the clues, with something like London's Burning once you've seen it, you don't need to see it again. |
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Hmm, I'm not sure if this is BSI striking again, or whether it could give BBC Three record ratings next Friday:
BBC Three 20:30 - EastEnders Live: The Aftermath 21:30 - The Weakest Link: EastEnders Special 22:30 - EastEnders Live (R) 23:00 - EastEnders Live: The Aftermath (R) So it means that the episode of The Weakest Link a week Saturday won't be a 'new' edition - yes its a new edition for the terrestrials, but not 'new' and in 'new new'. If I was BBC, I'd have done: BBC One 19:00 - The Weakest Link: EastEnders Special 20:00 - EastEnders Live 20:30 - A Question of Sport 21:00 - QI 21:30 - MasterChef So that TWL actually gets to premiere on the Friday and it means a short break for The One Show. Also, Thursday was the lowest rated weeknight of the year so far, with only 23.92m watching in the 9pm slot. Thursday's are the lowest rated weeknight of the year, with Friday's on average the highest rated night of the year, although Friday's figures are inflated by New Year's Day. |
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Hmm, I'm not sure if this is BSI striking again, or whether it could give BBC Three record ratings next Friday:
BBC Three 20:30 - EastEnders Live: The Aftermath 21:30 - The Weakest Link: EastEnders Special 22:30 - EastEnders Live (R) 23:00 - EastEnders Live: The Aftermath (R) So it means that the episode of The Weakest Link a week Saturday won't be a 'new' edition - yes its a new edition for the terrestrials, but not 'new' and in 'new new'. If I was BBC, I'd have done: BBC One 19:00 - The Weakest Link: EastEnders Special 20:00 - EastEnders Live 20:30 - A Question of Sport 21:00 - QI 21:30 - MasterChef So that TWL actually gets to premiere on the Friday and it means a short break for The One Show. Your schedule is down half an hour of Masterchef. Unless you intended to put that on Saturday at 9.25 in place of Weakest Link. ![]() The BBC3 premiere is irrelevant. I can't imagine WL getting too many viewers at 9.25pm on a Saturday even as a BBC1 premiere. * Sky's current advertising motto "Believe In Better". Isn't it a pity their channel controllers don't?
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WDYTYA doesn't repeat well,the Barbara Winsdor repeat got 2.9 million [13%] on 10/04/08 beaten by ITV 1 new homes from hell.I think thats the only one they've repeated in primetime. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008.../itv.tvratings |
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US Ratings - Thursday 11th February
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8pm – The Deep End – 5.7m (1.5) * Tied 4th/5th with Vampire Diaries on The CW 9pm – Grey’s Anatomy – 12.7m (4.3) * All time low with adults 18-49 * Has set series lows two weeks in a row * Lost to Survivor in the 9pm hour 10pm – Private Practice – 9.1m (3.2) * Continues to decline with Grey’s * 2nd with A18-49, had a 45% lead among adults 18-34 CBS: 8pm – Survivor: Heroes vs Villains – 14.2m (4.5) * Drove CBS to Thursday victory, #1 from 8-10pm * Up 2% from February 2009 premiere 10pm – The Mentalist – 15.7m (3.6) * Won the hour with adults 18-49, up 9% from last week * Season high among adults 25-54 * Largest audience of the night FOX: 8pm – Bones (R) – 8.1m (2.1) 9pm – Past Life – 5.3m (1.4) * Down 55% from Tuesdays premiere * Lost 33% of its lead-in NBC: 8pm – Community – 5.3m (2.3) 8.30pm – Parks & Recreation – 5.0m (2.3) 9pm – The Office – 7.4m (3.7) * NBC’s #1 scripted show by a margin of 28% 9.30pm – 30 Rock – 6.1m (2.9) * NBC’s #2 scripted show tvbythenumbers With The Deep End for a lead-in, Grey's Anatomy is really struggling. At this rate Modern Family is going to overtake it and it's ratings this week are lower than those of Lost. Past Life looks like a total bomb for FOX though it didn't get the best chance last night by only having a Bones repeat for a lead-in. Its low performance reflects well on Fringe. CBS had a better than usual night with Survivor's 2 hour premiere doing better than CSI would have at 9pm. NBC had a typically low key Thursday, all its sitcoms will return next year. Thursdays have been pretty poor for all the networks this season and pretty boring as well. American Idol lands at 8pm in a few weeks for the semi-final results. |
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I'm certain that's got something to do with the fact that all the latter programmes are self-contained episodes, so if there's nothing else on you can switch it on and know you're getting the whole thing in one night, whereas the former are all two parters at the least, so people have to make some sort of commitment.
I've said this before but since the thread's gone into another part I'll say it again, but back in the nineties, William Phillips, Broadcast's brilliant ratings analyst, pointed out that drama series repeats didn't work, because ITV would sometimes repeat series of London's Burning or Soldier Soldier and they didn't do very well - I remember one repeat run of Soldier Soldier, at the height of Robson and Jerome mania, being abandoned halfway through because it was dying. Something like that isn't worth repeating, really. They even used to repeat Casualty in between series, back when there were rather fewer episodes. I remember ITV repeating Moll Flanders, which had been a huge hit, at 9pm in 1998, but after two episodes they dumped it to 11pm and stuck Alright on the Night repeats on instead. But really, if you weren't bothered enough with that kind of show to watch it the first time, why would you be any more interested eighteen months later? And unlike something like Morse, where even if you know the killer you can enjoy spotting the clues, with something like London's Burning once you've seen it, you don't need to see it again. Whilst sitcoms and dramas which are traditionally self-contained (with elements that extinguish themselves in multiple episodes) rate extremely well, dramas and comedy dramas that rely on narrative and extreme character progression & change will not. Often, stuff like Friends, The Simpsons and Heartbeat which rely upon the same laugh-out-loud or familiar cliches - and this can repeat well for decades. Look how ITV3 holds up with its detective drama/Heartbeat/Goodnight Sweetheart. |
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E4 is going to air S2 episode of the Big Bang Theory, not sure why this is, as ive posted before its not like they will have caught up with CBS.
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I'm certain that's got something to do with the fact that all the latter programmes are self-contained episodes, so if there's nothing else on you can switch it on and know you're getting the whole thing in one night, whereas the former are all two parters at the least, so people have to make some sort of commitment.
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As the economics of television have become increasingly challenging amid viewer fragmentation, back-end potential has become even more critical. Unlike crime procedurals, which seem to run endlessly on ad-supported cable and in syndication, serials have always been a much tougher sell in the syndication market. CBS shows far more repeats than its competitors but gets away with it because their repeats are sitcoms and procedurals which do well. ABC tend to find themselves plugging gaps with reality shows because their more serialised line-up struggles in repeats. They introduced a Jerry Bruckheimer procedural to Tuesdays at 10pm and comedy to Wednesdays partly in the hope of some programming that repeats well. ABC's Grey's Anatomy may have sold to Lifetime for $1.2 million per episode, but Lost and Heroes both went for well under $500,000 per episode. By contrast, last year The Mentalist and freshman procedural NCIS: Los Angeles both sold for more than $2 million an episode, the latter after just a handful of airings on CBS. The top-rated off-network weekly series are crime procedurals—CSI: NY, Law & Order: Criminal Intent, CSI: Miami, Bones and House. http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...hp?rssid=20065 |
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9pm – The Office – 7.4m (3.7)
* NBC’s #1 scripted show by a margin of 28% |
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Anyone know the Irish weekly ratings? I notice Glee is massively popular on their Itunes.
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E4 aired episode 10 last night. So airing one episode a week I work out that they'll be at #23 (season finale) by the 13th of May. CBS won't get there until the 17th at the earliest or possibly the 24th. It's off for 2 weeks now due to the Winter Olympics, CBS will throw in some repeats and it'll miss a week (or maybe 2?) for some basketball.
I guess this is something Brits will have to get used to if we want shows as close to US air dates as possible. |
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Wait so 7 million makes it NBC's number one scripted show since September?! That is appalling (in terms of their scripted ratings I mean, not The Office)!
But their scripted output is a mess. Even 30 Rock is weak without The Office as a lead-in. They really only get by on the strength of Sunday Night Football and The Biggest Loser. Interestingly, one of their big hopes for next season is ITV Studios Prime Suspect. |
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I don't know what anyone else thinks, but given the massive amount of 'free' news coverage on it over the past few days, Piers Morgan's Life Stories on Sunday has to, has to with a 8m lead-in get at the very, very least clear the 6m barrier.
It couldn't have been promoted better outside of ITV. |
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The Piers Mogan/Gordon Brown interview is being plugged tonight on the ITV News.... and on the BBC News!
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NBC is utterly bombing.
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BBC Three
22:30 - EastEnders Live (R) This business of actors performing live? I wonder if it will ever catch on in the theatre?
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Play.com have the final 2 episodes of A Touch of Frost up on their website with a release date of April 12th.
Sunday nights will therefore more than likely have A Touch of Frost on March 21st and 28th, and then 4 x Lewis, 3 x Foyle's War and 1 x Marple before the Britain's Got Talent live shows. |
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I don't know what anyone else thinks, but given the massive amount of 'free' news coverage on it over the past few days, Piers Morgan's Life Stories on Sunday has to, has to with a 8m lead-in get at the very, very least clear the 6m barrier.
It couldn't have been promoted better outside of ITV. Are people interested in Gordon Brown? It's not even that he's not popular, it's that he is so so boring. Life Stories has shown itself to be hugely variable depending on the guest. Is Gordon Brown a more interesting prospect than Katie Price? ![]() Tbh, I'm not really sure what it will do. It's one of those things where I won't be surprised if it has 6.5m or if it has 4.5m. |
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But by that token (and I concur) why would ITV axe reliable performers like Rosemary and Thyme and Heartbeat (which was seemingly deliberately destroyed without even a fitting finale episode being shot after all these years). Killing off a proven ratings winner by moving it around and showing odd episodes here and there in nothing like proper series looks crazy given the failure of some of the new shows.
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I wonder if Survivors will be dropped after the disappointing S2 ratings
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More BBC deception
This business of actors performing live? I wonder if it will ever catch on in the theatre? ![]() Would a live drama cost more or less than a pre-recorded one? If it costs less*, that's something for cash-strapped TV bosses to think of bringing in, permanantly. *it must do. filmimg it all in one go instead of over three weeks Quote:
There is one huge question which hovers over all this...
Are people interested in Gordon Brown? It's not even that he's not popular, it's that he is so so boring. Life Stories has shown itself to be hugely variable depending on the guest. Is Gordon Brown a more interesting prospect than Katie Price? ![]() Tbh, I'm not really sure what it will do. It's one of those things where I won't be surprised if it has 6.5m or if it has 4.5m. |
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I wonder if Survivors will be dropped after the disappointing S2 ratings
Still, I don't think it will be re-newed. |
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And once upon a time, all TV was live.
Would a live drama cost more or less than a pre-recorded one? If it costs less*, that's something for cash-strapped TV bosses to think of bringing in, permanantly. Only sitcoms and soaps have really worked with live episodes , The live version of The Quatermass Experiment was good but it could have easily been prerecorded. |
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The live version of The Quatermass Experiment was good but it could have easily been prerecorded.
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Problem with having a live drama aside from a one-off is that you are restricted to having it mostly indoors with not much location shooting and there is no room for error. You couldn't do Doctor Who live due to the amount of CGI used although it would be interesting to see.
Only sitcoms and soaps have really worked with live episodes , The live version of The Quatermass Experiment was good but it could have easily been prerecorded. In the black and white days of TV, dramas were live because it was too difficult and/or expensive to record them. No such restriction today, so they could do as much location filming as they liked and slot it in where necessary providing the actors with an opportunity to change costume or move to the next set. Or they could record it as live, which is probably pretty close to how the soaps have to film anyway, with their 97 episodes per week. Anyway, this is all hypothetical. Like the fantasy schedules that sometimes infiltrate this thread, it ain't gonna happen. |
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Or they could record it as live, which is probably pretty close to how the soaps have to film anyway, with their 97 episodes per week.
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