If it was just the shoulder or other injuries they could have varied the routine she'd been given. In my opinion, she knew she would struggle with something fast, and she didn't like the music, so she changed it to something completely different. Slow or fast, the wrong choreography would be bad for an injury, but the right choreography and it would be fine.
Did Jason just walk off?
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Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“Well they made Sinnita do a move she wasnt comfortable with and could not do
and Sinnita left because of it”
“Well they made Sinnita do a move she wasnt comfortable with and could not do
and Sinnita left because of it”
No, they didn't make her do it.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Sinitta said that lift was taken out and then the producers wanted to put it back and after trying it again, she agreed to it. She could have refused to do that lift.”
“Sinitta said that lift was taken out and then the producers wanted to put it back and after trying it again, she agreed to it. She could have refused to do that lift.”
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/dancingo...frog-lift.html
I personally agree with Jason. The fact she had to be prompted by Phillip to just acknowledge Torvil and Dean is seriously out of order imo. Good riddance to her i say.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“No, they didn't make her do it.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/dancingo...frog-lift.html”
“No, they didn't make her do it.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/dancingo...frog-lift.html”
So it should have been taken out and T&D should have made sure it was out
They are the experts not the producers
Originally Posted by oathy:
“so in other words she just proved the pre start stories of her being quite hard to train/work with are all true...”
“so in other words she just proved the pre start stories of her being quite hard to train/work with are all true...”
I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.
To be honest Sharon was shit. She tried, but she wasn't great.
I have seen round-a-bouts straighter than her. She was droopy. Leg lines were crap. At one point I thought she was going to lick the ice she was that droopy in one of her lifts.
As for Jason, Well, he is just brilliant. I can understand why he walked off. He didn't want to congratulate her so the best thing to do was to leave the table.
We all love Jason deep down and the sooner we all see that the better the world will be.
I have seen round-a-bouts straighter than her. She was droopy. Leg lines were crap. At one point I thought she was going to lick the ice she was that droopy in one of her lifts.
As for Jason, Well, he is just brilliant. I can understand why he walked off. He didn't want to congratulate her so the best thing to do was to leave the table.
We all love Jason deep down and the sooner we all see that the better the world will be.
Sharron came to my work once.
She was very polite and friendly to everybody, but she definitely knew how she wanted everything to go.
She was very polite and friendly to everybody, but she definitely knew how she wanted everything to go.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
I agree entirely.
Also, the judge behaved in a totally unprofessional way.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
No one's saying she should put herself at risk. At least I'm not. What I'm saying is, she should have been upfront with them instead of going behind their backs, which it was made quite clear in the VT is what she did.
It wasn't just the music change that was the issue, I'm sure. What she did probably required costume changes, lighting changes, possibly changes in the running order of the show and ITV will have had to have got the rights to use another piece of music unexpectedly. It must have caused a lot of problems and it would have been courteous of her to consult with the powers that be instead of making an executive decision and presenting them with a fait accompli.
It was Sharrons turn to go tonight she was the worst
Maybe she should not have crossed T&D, although I do think Sharron would know her body best
But there is no excuse for Jason to walk off, it shows just how unprofessional he has become
He has let his petty vindictiveness get the better of him
It just shows his apology to her the other week for calling her flying poop was forced by others and insincere
Call Sharron if you must but dont excuse Jasons childish behaviour
Maybe she should not have crossed T&D, although I do think Sharron would know her body best
But there is no excuse for Jason to walk off, it shows just how unprofessional he has become
He has let his petty vindictiveness get the better of him
It just shows his apology to her the other week for calling her flying poop was forced by others and insincere
Call Sharron if you must but dont excuse Jasons childish behaviour
Originally Posted by memmh:
“No one's saying she should put herself at risk. At least I'm not. What I'm saying is, she should have been upfront with them instead of going behind their backs, which it was made quite clear in the VT is what she did.”
“No one's saying she should put herself at risk. At least I'm not. What I'm saying is, she should have been upfront with them instead of going behind their backs, which it was made quite clear in the VT is what she did.”
The VT is an edited two minute version of the whole week - and it's edited in a way to benefit some and hurt others. How do we know how many times Sharron tried to tell T&D there were difficulties, that she required a change, that it was affecting her shoulder? How do we know that she didn't try and contact T&D about a change and they weren't available so she had to make a call without them?
The VTs suit the producers agenda. I wouldn't read too much into them.
Originally Posted by Katie FKN Price:
“To be honest Sharon was shit. She tried, but she wasn't great.
I have seen round-a-bouts straighter than her. She was droopy. Leg lines were crap. At one point I thought she was going to lick the ice she was that droopy in one of her lifts.
As for Jason, Well, he is just brilliant. I can understand why he walked off. He didn't want to congratulate her so the best thing to do was to leave the table.
We all love Jason deep down and the sooner we all see that the better the world will be.”
“To be honest Sharon was shit. She tried, but she wasn't great.
I have seen round-a-bouts straighter than her. She was droopy. Leg lines were crap. At one point I thought she was going to lick the ice she was that droopy in one of her lifts.
As for Jason, Well, he is just brilliant. I can understand why he walked off. He didn't want to congratulate her so the best thing to do was to leave the table.
We all love Jason deep down and the sooner we all see that the better the world will be.”
Don't speak for me.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“No one's saying she should put herself at risk. At least I'm not. What I'm saying is, she should have been upfront with them instead of going behind their backs, which it was made quite clear in the VT is what she did.
It wasn't just the music change that was the issue, I'm sure. What she did probably required costume changes, lighting changes, possibly changes in the running order of the show and ITV will have had to have got the rights to use another piece of music unexpectedly. It must have caused a lot of problems and it would have been courteous of her to consult with the powers that be instead of making an executive decision and presenting them with a fait accompli.”
“No one's saying she should put herself at risk. At least I'm not. What I'm saying is, she should have been upfront with them instead of going behind their backs, which it was made quite clear in the VT is what she did.
It wasn't just the music change that was the issue, I'm sure. What she did probably required costume changes, lighting changes, possibly changes in the running order of the show and ITV will have had to have got the rights to use another piece of music unexpectedly. It must have caused a lot of problems and it would have been courteous of her to consult with the powers that be instead of making an executive decision and presenting them with a fait accompli.”
when id she make these changes?
Friday morning?
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The VT is an edited two minute version of the whole week - and it's edited in a way to benefit some and hurt others. How do we know how many times Sharron tried to tell T&D there were difficulties, that she required a change, that it was affecting her shoulder? How do we know that she didn't try and contact T&D about a change and they weren't available so she had to make a call without them?
The VTs suit the producers agenda. I wouldn't read too much into them.”
“The VT is an edited two minute version of the whole week - and it's edited in a way to benefit some and hurt others. How do we know how many times Sharron tried to tell T&D there were difficulties, that she required a change, that it was affecting her shoulder? How do we know that she didn't try and contact T&D about a change and they weren't available so she had to make a call without them?
The VTs suit the producers agenda. I wouldn't read too much into them.”
When you consider the reactions of the judges and Schofe's comments on twitter and the comments made by some of the other celebs, it strikes me that the VT wasn't edited with an agenda. Both Gary and Danniella seemed to be commenting indirectly on what happened and, if so, they were both criticising her.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The VT is an edited two minute version of the whole week - and it's edited in a way to benefit some and hurt others. How do we know how many times Sharron tried to tell T&D there were difficulties, that she required a change, that it was affecting her shoulder? How do we know that she didn't try and contact T&D about a change and they weren't available so she had to make a call without them?
The VTs suit the producers agenda. I wouldn't read too much into them.”
“The VT is an edited two minute version of the whole week - and it's edited in a way to benefit some and hurt others. How do we know how many times Sharron tried to tell T&D there were difficulties, that she required a change, that it was affecting her shoulder? How do we know that she didn't try and contact T&D about a change and they weren't available so she had to make a call without them?
The VTs suit the producers agenda. I wouldn't read too much into them.”
I agree. We would never know the full story.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
Well said. I hardly think that Torvill and Dean are the type of people that would be overly bothered with what happened over the change of music. I very much doubt that they're control freaks or something.
Yes admittedly, Sharron may have gone about it the wrong way, but I don't really blame her too much after the way she's been treated on the show. Especially when it comes down to Jason's behaviour towards her, which is why I think is the main reason why she reacted the way she did. When Jason made the "faecal comment", people wanted ITV to fire him. Now after tonight, he's coming across as the good guy, saying that Sharron is disrespectful. Well I'm sorry, but if anyone is being disrespectful, it's Jason. Not just with the comments he has made towards her, but also with him telling her to "get over it" after Sharron said that her kids were being picked on in school after what he said, and with him walking off. If that's not being disrespectful, then I don't know what is.
What Jason is doing is tantamount to, (dare I say it), bullying. I'm sorry if anyone thinks I'm being ridiculous or overdramatic, but that's how I feel.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.
We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.
And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”
I'm glad she's gone as she did nothing but moan and complain and if she knew she had shoulder problems from swimming, then why do such a risky sport as ice skating where you're going to be lifted or twirled round etc...
Although saying that, Sharron was mostly lifted off the ice by her partner for most of every Sunday night and her skates didn't see much ice all the time she was on! It's a good job that Jayne and Chris are so 'soft' and had it been Jason she was 'disrespecting' (as he put it) then I'm sure sparks would have flown!
It will be interesting to see if the full story will come out on this.
If Sharron changed the music behind Jayne & Chris' backs then did the producers know about this? If not, they may well have been pi**** off at her and ensured she got a bad VT. Producers know full well that dissing Jayne & Chris was never going to go down well with British public.
As I said in another thread I defended Sharron earlier in this competition but can't defend her behaviour this week.
However, I don't think Jason should have tweeted his comments about Sharron in between main show & skate off as that was unprofessional, especially given his past history with her.
Some former contestants have perhaps unsurprisingly been critical of Sharron's attitude towards Jayne & Chris too.
If Sharron changed the music behind Jayne & Chris' backs then did the producers know about this? If not, they may well have been pi**** off at her and ensured she got a bad VT. Producers know full well that dissing Jayne & Chris was never going to go down well with British public.
As I said in another thread I defended Sharron earlier in this competition but can't defend her behaviour this week.
However, I don't think Jason should have tweeted his comments about Sharron in between main show & skate off as that was unprofessional, especially given his past history with her.
Some former contestants have perhaps unsurprisingly been critical of Sharron's attitude towards Jayne & Chris too.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“When you consider the reactions of the judges and Schofe's comments on twitter and the comments made by some of the other celebs, it strikes me that the VT wasn't edited with an agenda. Both Gary and Danniella seemed to be commenting indirectly on what happened and, if so, they were both criticising her.”
“When you consider the reactions of the judges and Schofe's comments on twitter and the comments made by some of the other celebs, it strikes me that the VT wasn't edited with an agenda. Both Gary and Danniella seemed to be commenting indirectly on what happened and, if so, they were both criticising her.”
Says as much about them as it does about Sharron.
The one thing I've learned in my years in a variety of sports - don't diss the opposition.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“Well said. I hardly think that Torvill and Dean are the type of people that would be overly bothered with what happened over the change of music. I very much doubt that they're control freaks or something.”
“Well said. I hardly think that Torvill and Dean are the type of people that would be overly bothered with what happened over the change of music. I very much doubt that they're control freaks or something.”
I don't think they are control freaks, but they clearly take a lot of time and effort over the show, and if you saw the footage of them discussing how Tanya's departure (and removal of the song she was to skate to) would affect the balance and flow of the next week's show, you'd appreciate that changing a fast song to a slow one without approval was going to be annoying for them.
Originally Posted by MrsRobinson:
“I'm glad she's gone as she did nothing but moan and complain and if she knew she had shoulder problems from swimming, then why do such a risky sport as ice skating where you're going to be lifted or twirled round etc...
Although saying that, Sharron was mostly lifted off the ice by her partner for most of every Sunday night and her skates didn't see much ice all the time she was on! It's a good job that Jayne and Chris are so 'soft' and had it been Jason she was 'disrespecting' (as he put it) then sparks would have flown!”
“I'm glad she's gone as she did nothing but moan and complain and if she knew she had shoulder problems from swimming, then why do such a risky sport as ice skating where you're going to be lifted or twirled round etc...
Although saying that, Sharron was mostly lifted off the ice by her partner for most of every Sunday night and her skates didn't see much ice all the time she was on! It's a good job that Jayne and Chris are so 'soft' and had it been Jason she was 'disrespecting' (as he put it) then sparks would have flown!”
Perhaps for the same reason that the Doc at going on 60 chose to give it a go.
Who knows what is involved until one has tried it?
Originally Posted by Castanet:
“Exactly - that was so rude of her.
The whole show would be a complete shambles if they all decided to change their routines to suit their needs and requirements!”
“Exactly - that was so rude of her.
The whole show would be a complete shambles if they all decided to change their routines to suit their needs and requirements!”
If the pros could do it well enough you could allow everyone to do that but its got to be one way or the other.
Originally Posted by Castanet:
“Exactly - that was so rude of her.
The whole show would be a complete shambles if they all decided to change their routines to suit their needs and requirements!”
“Exactly - that was so rude of her.
The whole show would be a complete shambles if they all decided to change their routines to suit their needs and requirements!”
Perhaps their needs and requirements should be taken into account before their routines are set.
Originally Posted by k9fan:
“I agree. We would never know the full story.”
“I agree. We would never know the full story.”
Indeed and if we did we might find that everything is not quite as we might think. How long does everyone get with T and D, how much time is there to make up a routine, what scope is there to change it, how many routines are potentially very good, is it fair to give only the better people the risky moves and complex routines, does the routine confirm or counter what the public see as a problem ?
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