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Did Jason just walk off?
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Wtchfndr Spcfc
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I have it on good authority that Sharron is not the most likable person - but that is no reason to criticise her simply because she refuses to put her well being at risk.

We are talking about a 47 year old woman who knows her body well - she has a young family, why the hell should she take a chance on aggravating old injuries at the behest of the uninformed.

And despite my admiration for T&D and their past exploits, they are not medical experts.”

Seeing as everyone else is having a crack at filling in the gaps, let me try.

I suspect, like many British sportsmen and women before, Sharron is using 'injury' to mask underperformance - and to be frank, it is a total bore. I don't get the 'she didn't know how hard the show would be' comments - she has worked in sport and performance long enough, she knew but underestimated the skill and effort required. A faster dance would out her, so she bottled it. Worse than that, she bottled it in the poorest way - by making her own changes because she feels, as an Olympian (she mentioned that nearly as much as Heather's leg), she feels the world owes her.

Good riddance.

Jason getting up and strutting off was high theatre and, let's face it, just him reverting to type.
MrsSpoon
22-02-2010
Jason was rude to Sharron from start to finish. There was nothing she could do to get any sort of encouragement from that nasty little talentless man.

I enjoyed watching Sharron and Pavel dance. Yes it was their time to leave the competiton because of Sharron's recurring shoulder injury more than anything else so I would imagine she is quite relieved to be out.

Also can we keep Angela Rippon on the panel. She was lovely, constructive and fair in her critisisms. Jason needs to go, he takes the enjoyment out of the programme.
CaroUK
22-02-2010
Errrrmmm!

Were you guys WATCHING the VT???

It clearly showed Sharron at a very early session on Moday telling T&D quite clearly and repeatedly that she had a dodgy right shoulder and couldn't do what they were asking her to. She also mentioned it last week.

That being the case - why did they insist on including the arm waving and shoulder straining moves?? Sharron was quite right to refuse to go through unnecessary pain for an entertainment show. She has a young family to look after and a real career to keep up so why risk her health for an entertainment show?

I agree that she should have discussed the music change - but I heard her asking for a slower song in the VT and she was ignored again. I'm sure J&C were peeved about it - but Sharron quite obviously DID voice her concerns to them and wasn't listened to. Pavel had to agree to play his part in the changes "Sharron" made, and develop the new routine - she couldn't have done anything without him - so maybe he agreed with her?

That said - given the abuse she's had to take from Jason and certain members of the forum, I do think she was ready to go. As a high achieving sports person she is well used to hard work and injury, and not afraid to go all out to do well and it must be thankless to have to endure abuse from a total no-mark, and not get the public vote either. I'm quite sure that she is quite happy to leave the show now.
Wtchfndr Spcfc
22-02-2010
Well said Sharron's mum!
CaroUK
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Wtchfndr Spcfc:
“Well said Sharron's mum!”

Not Sharron's mum - I'm only a couple of years older than her.... but I was a competitive swimmer about the same time as she was so have always admired her achievements.

The day Jason achieves as much as she has through years of dedication and commitment he can make his idiotic and puerile comments with some justification.
Wtchfndr Spcfc
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Not Sharron's mum - I'm only a couple of years older than her.... but I was a competitive swimmer about the same time as she was so have always admired her achievements.

The day Jason achieves as much as she has through years of dedication and commitment he can make his idiotic and puerile comments with some justification.”

Her achievements???

Retiring at 18 having come second at the Olympics? Where are the years of dedication and commitment? Coming back 10 years later, beating the dross that was British swimming talent at that time, then retiring again?

We're not talking Phelps or Spitz, are we?
MrsRobinson
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Wtchfndr Spcfc:
“Seeing as everyone else is having a crack at filling in the gaps, let me try.

I suspect, like many British sportsmen and women before, Sharron is using 'injury' to mask underperformance - and to be frank, it is a total bore.
I don't get the 'she didn't know how hard the show would be' comments - she has worked in sport and performance long enough, she knew but underestimated the skill and effort required. A faster dance would out her, so she bottled it. Worse than that, she bottled it in the poorest way - by making her own changes because she feels, as an Olympian (she mentioned that nearly as much as Heather's leg), she feels the world owes her.

Good riddance.

Jason getting up and strutting off was high theatre and, let's face it, just him reverting to type.”

WELL SAID ^^^ You're exactly right in all you said above!!!

Sharon's excuses were getting boring and she knew she was underperforming.... GOOD RIDDANCE to her!!!
*Wysiwyg*
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Wtchfndr Spcfc:
“Seeing as everyone else is having a crack at filling in the gaps, let me try.

I suspect, like many British sportsmen and women before, Sharron is using 'injury' to mask underperformance - and to be frank, it is a total bore. I don't get the 'she didn't know how hard the show would be' comments - she has worked in sport and performance long enough, she knew but underestimated the skill and effort required. A faster dance would out her, so she bottled it. Worse than that, she bottled it in the poorest way - by making her own changes because she feels, as an Olympian (she mentioned that nearly as much as Heather's leg), she feels the world owes her.

Good riddance.”

Well said! I totally agree with you.

Glad she's gone.
CaroUK
22-02-2010
Have you any idea how much training a swimmer of her standard has to do??

I was nothing like as good as her - and I used to have to start training at 5am most mornings - then school and then more swimming after that.

Sharron was doing that and more for many more years than an ordinary (county level) competitor. Coming second at the Olympics is a pretty stunning achievement in my book - especially at 17... To even think about a comeback after a retirement shows even more commitment, and its hardly surprising that the level of training she undertook from childhood has taken its toll on her physically.

Any sportsperson "retires" early as their bodies just can't keep up with the physical demands of the training needed to stay at the top of their sport. There are very few superstars over 30 who are still at the top of their game(s). Sharron very wisely moved on to other things and has built a successful career as a presenter - a job which she does very well (especially when compared to the likes of Sally Gunnell).

She was never going to win this show - her age, height and previous injuries saw to that - but credit is due to her for at least giving it a go.
lach doch mal
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Wtchfndr Spcfc:
“Well said Sharron's mum!”

Well you obviously dislike her whatever her achievments are! By the way, not all sports people use their injuries as an excuse for underachievement.

Anyway, back to the point of this thread. For me there are two different issues here. First Sharron's behaviour; and with the best will in the world I cannot condone the way she went about this. If she wants to change the music and the routine, then her and Pavel should have sat down with J&C and discussed this properly. Her complaining in a round about way about her shoulder, or the music would not have cut any ice with them. They are probably used to people complaining about all sorts of things, and they might not have taken it very seriously (after all she has been complaining about things since the beginning). They also might have thought that she just wanted to get a slow routine again (which she did), after all she didn't have to change the music, they could just have changed the choreography to suit her shoulder. Other people have challenges as well (e.g. Kierron not knowing his music piece).

The other issue is Jason. To me tweeting between the two shows when there was still voting going on, and walking off before they do their lap of honour is highly unprofessional (ITV should reprimand him on both). I agree with a lot of people on here, that it is rather ridiculous that he should be talking about disrespect.

He could have voiced his opinion on this morning in a measured way, and people's opinion of him might even have improved.

As some people have said before, two wrongs don't make a right.
Lorelei Lee
22-02-2010
I do wonder how much T&D can be blamed for Sharron's decision to change everything.

One the one hand, they're savvy sportspeople who are used to working round injuries and I find it hard to believe that they'd deliberately ask anyone to do anything that would aggravate an existing condition beyond endurance.

On the other, they're only spending a small amount of time with each celeb on an individual basis every week. If Sharron was sort of getting through the routine initially and then found she couldn't cope, but there wasn't time for T&D to come back and change things, what other option was open to her?

The VT was basically fair and gave both parties a chance to explain themselves - but it still made Sharron look bad, because T&D are always made to look good.
norbitonite
22-02-2010
I'm a bit torn on this one. On the one hand, Sharron did come across like a moaning minnie this past couple of weeks. I had previously liked her attitude - for instance her generosity to (I think) Jeremy when they were in the skate off together, but for the past two weeks she'd been a drag.

As a top class athelete, you'd think that she'd be used to doing as the coaches told her, but that said this is hardly training for the Olympics so I can understand if her personal risk assessment told her that it just wasn't worth the potential long term damage. I do also wonder if, given what she said about T&D having been mates of hers for a long time, she doesn't view them in quite the same way as the rest of us, ie going against their wishes wouldn't seem to be such a big deal for her? From Phil's tweet, it's obvious - and entirely natural - that T&D don't like to be thwarted. In spite of what others here have said, you don't reach the pinnacles of excellence that they have without being absolute control freaks, even if you do use a velvet glove on that iron fist.

As far as Jason is concerned, much as I may agree withsome of what he said, I do not think that he should have said it in the way that he said it, at the time that he said it.
samiskim
22-02-2010
Sharron told T&D repeatedly about her shoulder and she does know her body best. T&D are not orthopaedic experts and should have actually listened to what she was saying instead of pushing her to do something she was incapable of doing.

Sharron should not have changed the routine or the music but asked for a simplified lift which would not have put strain on her shoulder.

Jason Gardiner should not have walked off but he has shown his lack of "professionalism" many times before so there is nothing new there. The sonner he goes the better.

Sharron was the right person to leave last night but Torville and Dean are not infallible and it was good to see Sharron standing up to them. I will probably be shot for heresy but they are so full of themselves and Christopher Dean does have an immense talent for stating the obvious in his pseudo American accent.
Lorelei Lee
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by samiskim:
“Torville and Dean are not infallible and it was good to see Sharron standing up to them. I will probably be shot for heresy but they are so full of themselves and Christopher Dean does have an immense talent for stating the obvious in his pseudo American accent.”

I'd agree with the sentiment - there's no reason to think T&D are perfect just because they're national treasures etc etc etc - and OK, they're not exactly the world's best TV off the ice, but full of themselves? American accent? Can't see where that came from.
Lukey37
22-02-2010
How often do the couples actually see Torvill and Dean in the week? There isn't much opportunity to tailor the routine to the couple if they just pop by at the start of the week.
Smokeychan1
22-02-2010
Like Sharron, I hate "I Like Candy" too, so would go crazy if I had to spend a week listening to it. The choreography had already been changed to accommodate the shoulder, it's a shame time couldnt have been spent on Monday, agreeing to faster music that could have also suited the routine. Understandably though, time is short for T&D when they have to see all contestants.

Sharron also intimated in her post-dance interview that a faster routine would be doable next week (had she stayed in) as she would be due for another cortisone injection, of which she can only have one a month. I'm curious then why in the previous week's VT - or was it from 2 weeks ago? - we were shown her having her shot when clearly that event couldnt have been from that same week.

Well, I guess I am not that curious, just disappointed that bias in favour of or against celebs is so evident in the programme making. I wonder what treatment Emily gets next week.

As for Jason, I barely watch the SOs, just hang around to hear the voting mostly, so I didnt see him walk off. Jason is all affect and no substance so I doubt he did it from any sincere feelings. The guy's an absolute caricature and a bad one at that. My only real surprise is that people read his Twitter.
Lizzy11268
22-02-2010
Yes, and here I was thinking that Jason had walked off not JUST because of the change in music/routine etc but that Sharon didnt even bother to thank T&D during her goodbye speech, the only time a celeb has neglected to do so.

If it was just this week, it may be understandable, but Sharon has been a whining whinger every week about one thing or another.

Her injury problems have always been dealt with by Jayne and Chris in weeks before - never has there been an issue with changing moves she was not comfortable with.

She was rude and obnoxious.

Jason may not be perfect, and frankly is rude and obnoxious a lot of the time.

Did she thank them? Because I thought at the time, before Jason walked off that she hadnt. She gone on about her shoulder and said how wonderful Pavel was (which he was) but I don't recall her acknowledging the work that T&D did.

Anyway, she was a reasonable skater but it wasnt going anywhere. Don't think she'll be missed.

But whats sauce for the goose and all that....
dancingdemelza
22-02-2010
I'm not defending Sharron, but Jason's tweet after the main show but before the results show was completely out of order:

"Finally Sharron's true colours came thru. I am appalled at her disrepect toward Jayne&Chris. Bad sport diva brat. She's got to go!!"

He should never have done that - talk about trying to influence voters outside of the show.

"Well done to the public for voting correctly tonight. I walked off because I'm not two faced. Sharron disrespected T&D who work so hard"

So Jason isn't two-faced? Come off it Jason! That apology about likening her to sh*t was only made because you were told to do it. You obviously didn't really regret making it.

Sharron disrespected T&D? Of course, Jason, you never disrespect anyone do you?
number six
22-02-2010
Emily's Uncle is a presenter on local radio and he has just said that he has worked with Jason in the past and with him "What you see is what you get"
barbieblue
22-02-2010
I too believe Jason stepped out of line by tweeting between programmes.
Yes IMO the correct one was voted out,but that does not alter the fact that members of the panel should not be allowed to try and influence the voting after they have made their initial comments.
As for the comments he did make , they were totally unprofessional, as was his walking off the set before the end.
Wtchfndr Spcfc
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Well you obviously dislike her whatever her achievments are! By the way, not all sports people use their injuries as an excuse for underachievement.”

I don't dislike her, I've never said that.

I didn't say all sports people did.

By all means disagree with me, but at least read and disagree with what I say not what you THINK I say.
Daisy19
22-02-2010
Yeah go Jason!!!
lozza73
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Wtchfndr Spcfc:
“I don't dislike her, I've never said that.

I didn't say all sports people did.

By all means disagree with me, but at least read and disagree with what I say not what you THINK I say.”




I can't comment on your particular disagreement as I've not read all this thread but I might steal your final sentence as this is my biggest peeve with fms on DS. So well said!
lach doch mal
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Wtchfndr Spcfc:
“I don't dislike her, I've never said that.

I didn't say all sports people did.

By all means disagree with me, but at least read and disagree with what I say not what you THINK I say.”

From your posts, I assumed that you don't like her, that's how it comes across to me. As this is an Internet forum where we don't have facial expressions and acoustic cues in the voice to guide us, as I have to be allowed to make my own assumptions on what I read. You say you don't dislike her, fair enough. My mistake obviously.

With regards to the last point, have you actually any evidence that any sportspeople exaggerate their injuries.
chipstick10
22-02-2010
Jason is awful i cant abide him how rude!!!!
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