Well too be fair I think the whole Mark's death thing was a cop out! After being brave enough to tackle the HIV issue in the first place I thought it was a shame they didnt see it through until the end. We did see Mark's wife Gill die, however as Mark was a long established character it would have been good to see his character right through until the final moments.
Just to say calling a poster "ignorant" is a bit harsh. Mark is a fictional character and not actually dead he's just become a copper!
As for Michelle, I find it hard to believe that the character would be selfish enough to not only fail to show for her dads funeral but her brothers aswell, you dont have to be their for the dead person she could have come back for her mum's sake, it would have been easy seeing the Susan Tully works on EE sometimes!

Thats a matter of opinion. Read some of the posts about him on other threads. Univesally Hated would be an understatement

Surly an easy way to improve the quality of EE (and many other soaps) would be to cut back there air time dramatically?

(Ie Eastenders on 1 hour per week)

What about 1 hr per year

They should swap slots with Neighbours

I have heard from my friends back home in the USA that BBC America no longer show EASTenders due to low ratings

I do know the build up - Tracey ruined Karen and Steve's wedding so this was Karen's revenge, I keep up through reading newspapers and soap magazines. I just found it laughable that everyone was stood watching while Tracey was been attacked, even her own parents for pete's sake!

Helen

ITV are already doing this to make way for a new soap,emmerdale on sunday and the second monday epp of corrie will be scrapped,and TB moves to tues and wed.

Wonderful so on the basis of what someone else told you you feel competent to critisise corrie. Either you work for the beeb or a tabloid

Oh what? Tracey didn't ruin Karen and Steve's wedding? Sorry if that's wrong, but I swear I saw pics too! And if Karen didn't gatecrash the christening as revenge for what Tracey did then I apologise again.

As for Karen attacking Tracey while everyone, including Tracey's own parents, was stood watching, well no one told me about that I watched it with my own two eyes and it was laughable.

You don't have to actualy watch to know what is going on in other soap you know.

Helen

Tracey being attacked while no one did anything was done mostly for pure COMEDY. Something Eastenders rarely knows about. Tracey's line, "Is anyone going to get this mad woman off my hair?!", or something to that effect, summed the whole thing up. It was good amusing entertainment.

But of course, if you wish, you could say Karen was like a loose cannon all fired up, so no one dared approach - not to mention half the people probably didn't blame her anyway. In any case, it's daft to pick out things like this as an example of why you might dislike Corrie, when Eastenders has tons of stupid and unrealistic scenarios itself...

So, seeing as you do NOTHING but slag off Eastenders and praise Corrie to the skies, I presume you watch both in equal measure do you?

Whatever your response, I have a couple of questions:

1) If you criticise Eastenders from the POV of a regular viewer, why are you still bothering with it? Personally, if I hated a programme as much as you obviously detest Eastenders I wouldn't waste a minute of my time watching it.

2) If you do think it's too bad to even contemplate watching regularly, what makes YOU 'competent' (!) to criticise it?

Ah right, well my mistake then as I didn't realise Karren attacking Tracey while noone did anything was supposed to be funny - I must of missed the joke

Helen

It's such a stupid no-win situation, though...slag off a show and people say, "why bother watching?". Slag off a show when not really watching (having switched off most of the time because it's crap) and people say, "How do you know, if you dont watch it these days?" :yawn:

I find myself watching Eastenders less currently...don't mind missing a few episodes for the MOST part, because there's very little to miss. But you keep watching to a certain extent because it's a habit and even when it's dreadful, it's still something you find yourself able to watch and be vaguely interested in. Doesn't mean you can't attack it constantly, because we as viewers have that right and want shows to get better. You also watch in the faint hope it'll get better with the notion that if you stop, you might miss out on something.

But even that can't go on forever...it'll take years and YEARS, but if quality continues at a poor level, you'll find yourself happy to miss two episodes a week, then three...then maybe you'll be an "omnibus" person...then after a long time, give up entirely...

Which is the way ANY show will go if you give it enough chance...nothing is safe, not even Eastenders.

Meh...it's simply an amusing way of looking at things, that most Corrie fans are fine about and quite obviously like. Someone attacking another person is not funny in itself, but add the brilliance of two characters like Tracey and Karen, some witty one-liners and scenes, and it's fabulous entertainment. It WAS a funny scene (mixed with drama as well), and I think many would agree..

Agreed there is an element of 'if you don't like it, don't watch it' to this forum, but some of it is such obvious 'tit-for-tat' nonsense that it's laughable.

Corrie isn't my cup of tea - so I don't watch it. Doesn't stop me appreciating (or praising) the storylines I do hear about. Similarly, I have always had an affinity with Eastenders but I'm not afraid to criticise it when it goes off-track or has characters behaving completely unpredictably.

What I do object to is people who don't seem to be open to other views from other viewers because they have this notion that one soap can do no wrong and one can do nothing right.

Well I agree, mostly.

To be honest I prefer Emmerdale to both of them, anyway...

it's the 'DS Syndrome'.once a thread gets beyond a couple of pages and two strong opposite views seem to emerge,impasse is reached and then the slagging begins.we've seen it all-'war in iraq'.'cable vs sky'.'freeview vs top-up tv',now 'corrie vs EE ' here.IMHO corrie is a bit more believable,EE relies a lot more on the stories than the characters and corrie is the opposite.the todd/sarah/karl story is miles ahead of EE's simon/tiffany/tony story years back,simon might as well have been played by john inman he was so OTT camp.

Duh. You believe all you read in the tabloids when they give details of a soap. So you admit that your views are based on what you hear or what you read about a soap because if you dont actually watch it then how else can you know what is happening.

Hardly the basis for an honest opinion of any programme basing your views on a synopsis on teletext or in some of the tabloid rags. The Karen / Steve / Traceyluv storyline was built up over a few weeks so really your opinion of it after watching just one episode is irellevant. (Earlier in your posting you said
I never watch Home and Away or neighbours so I cannot comment on them. Of course I could read The Sun or The Star two papers noted for their integrity and say these two soaps are Brilliant, Crap, Exciting boring or whatever. However
so therefore I will not comment about something I know nothing about

Maybe you guys are right, maybe Eastenders will never get axed as its the Beebs little Baby.

But it will definately lose viewing figures if they don't pull up their socks soon.

We need to get rid of Lousie Berridge ASAP!

I agree that, while EE's hasnt been great lately, I'd watch it over corrie any day of the week.

I have tried many, many times over the years to get into Corrie, but I just cant. people go on about the comedy in the show, but I find it all far too slapstick and 'in your face' for my taste. The so called 'hilarious' scenes and lines are so obvious, which makes it really fake imo.

Maybe it really is a North/South difference in humour.

To get back to the point thpugh, BBC is never going to axe a show that is either 1st or 2nd in the ratings every single week.
To those who point out that EE's figures include the omnibus edition, well so do Corries now.

ok Eastenders is having a bad peroid but unless it goes down to the 1 million mark the BBC wouldnt axe it.

In the sun, a couple of days ago, it was saying the BBC are holding crisis talks to the producers and writers of eastenders, to try and make them get there act together after all the bad press the tabloids have been giving it ... which it honestly deserves !!!

they should sack that Lousie women, I think shes the one to blame for this.

Oh I don't know. I'm from the North (Manchester) and I've never been able to get into Corrie. I think there's something really naff about it. The acting is poor (particularly from the younger cast, they just shout), the silly characters like Fred Elliott and helium boy (Ashley) are just plain annoying.

I've never found Corrie funny either......just boring.