Agreed-also she comes across as desperate to me -sorry but why can't people accept that not everyone likes her??

At least it's the nose she was born with

People can like who they like, it's the unnecessary nitpicking and criticisms of Hayley which are not justified and very, very, very petty, and becoming increasingly more boring.

Good Lord, she must've been a monstrous baby.

Why is it nitpicking to say you can't take to the person. It could be Hayley or any one of them. Is it that her fans can't accept that people can have differing opinions on things. That can appear quite petty too.

I am not talking about not taking to someone, I am talking about criticising her every little move, she can do no right on this forum.

If this was Strictly, then Hayley's prior 'dance training' would have put her at more of an advantage.

I'm more impressed by what a natural skater she is and she's had no previous experience at that.

I agree with yellowlabbie ... I really think that the people on this forum have made up there mind, and no matter what Hayley does...they are going to find something to dislike about her. If she skated next week with absolutely no emotion in her face, the judges AND the public would criticize her....but if she carries on smiling she is "cocky and arrogant" ARGHGHGHG !!!

Roxanne looked Sh!t though as did Linda... Emily had a good personality but kept making mistakes - she was kept in because of her Emmerdale fame as she was a key character.

Not sure of that - Sharon was too tall, too long limbed and had little acting ability. I agree some pros seem to do better with celebs though - either for some teaching reason or because they are taller or stronger. Though even there it may be a bit of chicken and egg with some pros like Matt often getting the celebs who happen to be just the right size anyway.

Emily raises similar questions to Gemma - - you would think she might be better if you looked at age, size or acting ability and she's running a week or two behind where she needs to be. There seems to be an age factor where youth doesn't help, but I can't think what it is. There may also be some explanation in who started training where, when and with whom and how otherwise busy they were.

It may just be that some people pick this all up quicker and some slower. There are enough people who pick it up slowly to suggest that we shouldn't surprised by the ones that pick it up faster.

Well speaks volumes that Hayley and Dan are the least favourite couple on here in the votes. Nothing to do with her skating (although there's a lot of lifts in her routines)-there is something smug about her I'm sorry but I feel she thinks she's won already!

I suppose someone was always going to say that since on shows of this type, anyone who is actually any good and doesn't break down in tears wailing about how they can't cope anymore is always accused of "thinking they've already won it" at some point. I guess some people have an inbuilt "instinct" which allows them to know exactly what celebrities are "really" thinking despite absolutely no evidence being available to back that impression up.

But there are others who are as good-Daniella for example so far even though she has improved every week-there doesn't seem to be that feeling from her that it's in the bag! No crying either??
Why can't the Hayley fans accept not everyone is a fan?

I can understand those who say I just can't take to (insert name) - no matter who.

I can't take to Daniella or Mikey and Emily leaves me cold - although I do recognise the improvement Daniella has made, the charm of Mikey and the increased effort of Emily.

Just no appeal for me I'm afraid.

Oh but most people will accept that not everyone is a fan of Hayley.

However, some fans of Hayley might question your statement in bold, because it's your subjective opinion of Hayley and Daniella (nothing wrong with it). However, as we are on a public forum, which encourages discussion, you will always get people questionning you on your opinion. For instance has Hayley cried a lot during this DOI (this is a serious question and I'm not a mad fan), I don't think she has cried much at all.

I never said Hayley has cried -you are right of course people will always question your opinion on here -and can make for a discussion. But lol the Hayley fans seem to be quite intense-I like Daniella and Mikey but I don't rush to answer every criticism of them. I can accept that not everyone likes the same people/things!

But do they get criticised for their nose, their 'cheesy ' grin, their desperation. Desperation comes to mind by those doing the criticising.

Don't ask me. I'm not a "fan" of any of them in particular, I like different contestants best each week.

I suspect most Hayley "fans" do understand that not everyone likes her....the problem I personally have is with attributing thoughts and attitudes to any of the contestants without any evidence to support those views except some impression based on things as vague as "the way she smiles" or "the way Dan winks" etc etc as some people seem to want to do.

Sorry my mistake, I think I just assumed that your two statements ("the bag" and the "no crying" statement) were both in relationship to Daniella compared to Hayley.

Maybe some Hayley fans are intense, but I think that some of the anti-Hayley people on here are just as intense and set to wind up the Hayley fans.

Yes, us Hayley fans don't mind, we are big enough to take it.

I totally agree with you. The problem I have with peoples opinion is that they don't like Hayley and Dan because of silly reasons...such as a 'wink' or Hayley's 'smile'. Is that really a reason to dislike someone? Because if anybody is really that shallow...they certainly aren't going to have many friends in their life.

I completely understand that Hayley is not everybody's favorite contestant...but the way the completely tear her apart on here is what really gets to me...and then when I respond, I'm now an 'aggressive Hayley fan.' I'm not...I just think people are tearing her apart on here, and it's totally not fair...and very irritating !!!

Yup...I totally agree with that.

I think that's what is getting to me at the moment. Each time, I'm trying to make a point I start it with, "I'm not an avid Hayley fan, I like many people". This is true, but I don't need to make this point, when I'm defending Gary or Kierron or Mikey (which I have done as well). It's almost as if you cannot make a valid point anymore or say your opinion if you outed yourself as a Hayley fan, because you are too intense or you should not be taken seriously.

Some people even use the "intense Hayley fan" excuse to dislike Hayley, and when challenged on the fact that it is a vicious circle, the anti-Hayley brigade (not everyone who doesn't like Hayley belongs to this category) does not reply back.

We don't seem to have many threads that do not slag Hayley off, now whether she is overmarked, annoying or anything else (and people have a right to have this opinion), it would be nice if we could sometimes move on to something else.
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I like her enthusiasm and drive. She seems to put a lot of time and effort into her training, which explains why she's doing well. It does help that she already knew her partner. It gives her a head start in building confidence. It's one thing to know that someone's good before you meet, but if you already know them, you have a higher level of trust in them than you would if you'd just met that person and as a result you're willing to take a few more risks than you would with someone you don't know.

She doesn't come across as cocky to me. She's confident. There's a difference.

I think the only time I saw her cry was when Dan dropped her, and I think we can safely say that being dropped in a situation like that would probably be enough to make anyone cry.

I'd say she's the current front-runner, but Daniella's a close second and is playing catch-up. They've got to keep pushing it to stay ahead and I'm looking forward to the rest of the competition, because if the standard is this good now, what will it be like later?

As for Hayley's smile, OK, it's a bit stage school when she's performing, but that's how she's been trained. The other thing to consider is that she's one of these smiley people anyway, and that's bound to offend more than a few grumps regardless! It says more about them than it does about her.

If she goes to the other extreme of showing "absolutely no emotion", it would be perfectly reasonable to criticise her.

But does she have to be at one extreme or the other? The other celebs manage to find some middle ground.