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Sharron on This Morning
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memmh
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by riversmum:
“C & J must be very busy and for all we know they could have tried to contact them or maybe just knew it was pointless trying.
Both her and Pav said that if they hadn't slowed and altered the routine she wouldn't have been able to skate by sunday. Swimming wrecks joints, especially shoulders and she knows her capabilities.”

It's not the music that causes injuries, it's the moves. They could have adapted the choreography to take into account her restrictions without changing the song. Sharron just didn't like the song and wanted to stay in her comfort zone of a slow tempo. I sympathise with her restrictions and completely understand any need to rechoreograph in order not to aggravate her injuries but I don't agree with the way she went about it; that was lacking in basic courtesy.
Ignazio
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“Sharon didn't like skating to fast music and wasn't going to, if the routine involved moves that hurt her shoulder they could have modified it, no need to change the music.”

But they didn't which is why she and Pave took matters into their own hands.

Still they're gone now - probably deservedly, but that's from a skating perspective and nothing to do with her decision to protect her injuries from further aggravation.
memmh
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“But they didn't which is why she and Pave took matters into their own hands.”

They did! The modified the routine significantly on the Monday and would have modified it further if she'd asked. They continually tweak and modify routines when necessary, right up until just before the show on occasion.
Agent F
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by Lukey37:
“I think Sharron is coming across well. She gave reasonable answers to all Philip's questions.

Philip takes it far too seriously.”

Phil still thinks Dancing on Ice gets 'huge ratings'. Poor sap.
Tiger Rose
22-02-2010
I was critical of Sharron last night but I have modified my stance somewhat.

I felt right from week 1 that Sharron got a raw deal from her VTs. She was lazily cast as a competitive woman - surely the producers know that viewers (stupidly IMO) hate that. So why hang her out to dry from day 1?

There was clearly a breakdown in communications and Sharron perhaps did not go about things in the right way. However it seems clear to me that Pav supported her throughout and yet I don't see any criticism of him anywhere on the forum for dissing Jayne & Chris.

Producers then gave Sharron an awful VT guaranteed to be a vote loser & for the 1st time in the series didn't ask Jason to comment on her performance.

And whilst Jason is entitled to his views I don't think he should be tweeting bitchy comments about contestants before the results show - very unprofessional. And he called Sharron a diva but the way he stormed off at the end - any diva would have been proud of that hissy fit.
Jem19876
22-02-2010
Originally Posted by memmh:
“It's not the music that causes injuries, it's the moves. They could have adapted the choreography to take into account her restrictions without changing the song. Sharron just didn't like the song and wanted to stay in her comfort zone of a slow tempo. I sympathise with her restrictions and completely understand any need to rechoreograph in order not to aggravate her injuries but I don't agree with the way she went about it; that was lacking in basic courtesy.”

Exactly. It was obvious from last week and her reaction to a "fast song" that it was the tempo she didn't like. The injury would be irrelevant to whether or not she can handle faster footwork. Which she can't.

On the other hand, I did think Phillip milked the interview, and also on his tweets. He's made sure that everyone knows that there has been "frostiness" and is positively drawing attention to the fact Chris and Jayne were snubbed.

I just don't accept that Sharron hadn't watched the show before. What possible excuse is there for that? If she couldn't be @rsed to watch a show starring her "old friends" who she has a lot of respect for, then why did she think it was a good idea to enter?

Even if she'd found herself busy when previous series were on air, she could have got herself some DVDs, or got her agent to ask for footage of previous year's shows. It's one of the biggest shows on tv, she must have known someone who has watched it!
Daewos
23-02-2010
Just out of interest why is there not a similar level of condemnation of Pavel? He was just as involved as Sharon and been on the show long enough to know how it works. And yet it is Sharon that is getting ripped apart on these forums?
Tiger Rose
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by Daewos:
“Just out of interest why is there not a similar level of condemnation of Pavel? He was just as involved as Sharon and been on the show long enough to know how it works. And yet it is Sharon that is getting ripped apart on these forums? ”

Made the same point in my post. I like Pav but it soes seem odd. And it's not like pros never get any criticism. Frankie has copped a lot of flak this series for answering back to the judges.
Lukey37
23-02-2010
Maybe because Pavel isn't female?
lach doch mal
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“I was critical of Sharron last night but I have modified my stance somewhat.

I felt right from week 1 that Sharron got a raw deal from her VTs. She was lazily cast as a competitive woman - surely the producers know that viewers (stupidly IMO) hate that. So why hang her out to dry from day 1?

There was clearly a breakdown in communications and Sharron perhaps did not go about things in the right way. However it seems clear to me that Pav supported her throughout and yet I don't see any criticism of him anywhere on the forum for dissing Jayne & Chris.

Producers then gave Sharron an awful VT guaranteed to be a vote loser & for the 1st time in the series didn't ask Jason to comment on her performance.

And whilst Jason is entitled to his views I don't think he should be tweeting bitchy comments about contestants before the results show - very unprofessional. And he called Sharron a diva but the way he stormed off at the end - any diva would have been proud of that hissy fit.”

Completely agree with your post.
Tissy
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Completely agree with your post.”

Me too !


Feel sorry for Danny as I think Jason will concentrate his bitchiness on him now
lach doch mal
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Me too !


Feel sorry for Danny as I think Jason will concentrate his bitchiness on him now ”

Actually I think you might be right. It's fairly clear that he doesn't like him, and Nicky did not help matters either last week (2.5) how ridiculous was that?
CaroUK
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Completely agree with your post.”

Me three!

I think Danny and/or Kieron will come in for Jason's nastiness now - he's already had a pop at them in the papers - unless of course he goes for Emily next.
Takeachancex
23-02-2010
Does anyone know where i can watch this interview ?? It hasn't been uploaded onto the This Morning website
Droog83
23-02-2010
Here you go me dear!

http://www.itv.com/lifestyle/thismor..._tmdoisharron2
Takeachancex
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by Droog83:
“Here you go me dear!

http://www.itv.com/lifestyle/thismor..._tmdoisharron2”

Thank you so much X
chipstick10
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by memmh:
“I just watched this interview. I didn't think it was in any way aggressive from Phillip; he was asking questions that needed to be asked, given the reactions of the viewers on the various forums, twitter etc. He wasn't aggressive or accusatory in any way.”

Wonder if he would have been so aggressive interviewing Jason after his rude comments about Sharon.
Droog83
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by chipstick10:
“Wonder if he would have been so aggressive interviewing Jason after his rude comments about Sharon.”

Haha, indeed! There's a lot of back-scratching that goes on between DOI and TM
Strictly_Irish
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Me too !


Feel sorry for Danny as I think Jason will concentrate his bitchiness on him now ”

Emily's next on his list according to his column.
memmh
23-02-2010
I read this on another forum and, I have to say, I agree with what was said in this post:

Quote:
“Everything Sharron has said has been perfectly reasonable - that the editing wasn't kind to her, that she was misrepresented in the VTs. Normally, I would believe her - I said a couple of weeks ago that Heather's VTs were playing on her disability where in reality it was only mentioned in passing or she was asked to explain something about why a move wasn't possible for her. You really can't get a whole week represented that accurately in a 3 minute video.

However, it's the reactions of other people I have found most interesting. People who are party to most of the goings-on behind the scenes and who would have a fuller picture before making comment. What Sharron can't control is the obvious upset written all over Jayne and Chris's faces (I'd say more than annoyance), the thinly veiled comments on the show, the direct comments to her either on the show (Phillip, Emma, Chris for example) or on Twitter (Phillip, Jason). I've also noticed that there hasn't been a single tweet from anyone on the show - pro, celeb or other, that has said "Sad to see Sharron go, she'll be missed" which every single other competitor has had. This is why I'm more inclined to think she WAS fairly represented in that short VT.”

As I've said several times, I completely sympathise with her regarding her shoulder. It would have been horrendous if she'd injured it further and of course the choreography had to be adapted to accommodate her requirements. The problem is that I don't see how the song was the issue - surely it's the actual moves that are problematic, not the tempo? Which makes it even more puzzling that Pavel said that they used most of Chris and Jayne's choreography

I know the producers probably wanted to create a bit of scandal to get people talking but I still feel that for the VT to have been edited to show Sharron in such a negative light, she must have really upset people in the way she went about things during her time on DOI.
lulu g
23-02-2010
They can of course edit the VTs to give a particular slant if they want to, and Sharron's VT this week did have a negative slant (though not outrageously so). This seemed to suggest that they wouldn't be too sorry if she was next to go. Reading between the lines, I wondered if that was because she has been somewhat difficult, and maybe not just this week.
SoapsRme
23-02-2010
I find this all a bit confusing as in "they changed the music without Chris and Jane's permission". Surely there was more to it than that. I thought C & J were around most of the time - they don't just pop in now and again do they? Or do they? We see them on the VT demonstrating the routines and then what? Do they leave Karen in charge and come back when it's all up together?

Anyway, I couldn't take my eyes of Chris and Jane cos they had faces liked smacked bottoms when Sharon had skated. They could barely force a smile or a comment on her performance.

I guess we'll never know what really went on behind the scenes.

I'm disappointed in Phil cos I like him a lot but I do think he takes it all far to seriously and also in C & J because they could have been a bit more forgiving - if there was anything to forgive really. It was pretty obvious that Sharron was going anyway, given the standard that's now been reached by most of the others.

When you think about it - Jason is really rude and nasty to Sharron but I don't see anyone on the show treating him mean. Sharron changes her music and she's suddenly the villain of the show
lulu g
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by SoapsRme:
“I find this all a bit confusing as in "they changed the music without Chris and Jane's permission". Surely there was more to it than that. I thought C & J were around most of the time - they don't just pop in now and again do they? Or do they? We see them on the VT demonstrating the routines and then what? Do they leave Karen in charge and come back when it's all up together?

Anyway, I couldn't take my eyes of Chris and Jane cos they had faces liked smacked bottoms when Sharon had skated. They could barely force a smile or a comment on her performance.

I guess we'll never know what really went on behind the scenes.

I'm disappointed in Phil cos I like him a lot but I do think he takes it all far to seriously and also in C & J because they could have been a bit more forgiving - if there was anything to forgive really. It was pretty obvious that Sharron was going anyway, given the standard that's now been reached by most of the others.

When you think about it - Jason is really rude and nasty to Sharron but I don't see anyone on the show treating him mean. Sharron changes her music and she's suddenly the villain of the show ”

Doesn't it make you wonder if there's been more to this than meets the eye?
StrictlyRed
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by SoapsRme:
“I'm disappointed in Phil cos I like him a lot but I do think he takes it all far to seriously and also in C & J because they could have been a bit more forgiving - if there was anything to forgive really. It was pretty obvious that Sharron was going anyway, given the standard that's now been reached by most of the others.

When you think about it - Jason is really rude and nasty to Sharron but I don't see anyone on the show treating him mean. Sharron changes her music and she's suddenly the villain of the show ”

He couldn't resist the temptation to bring the whole matter up again this morning when interviewing Emma Bunton about the remaining contestants.
lach doch mal
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“He couldn't resist the temptation to bring the whole matter up again this morning when interviewing Emma Bunton about the remaining contestants.”

Phil has gone down in my estimation, hugely. She certainly was a bit up her own bottom, wasn't she. What would she know about teamplaying? Or is she still miffed, that she didn't make it into the SCD final because of two sports people.
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