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sharron didnt change the music because she didnt like it,she physically COULDNT do it
rickster1995
22-02-2010
i wish people would take that into consideration.

and im a massive, massive fan of jayne and chris but im starting to wonder if they do really care about the celebs or only care about a good show.
memmh
22-02-2010
The song wasn't the problem it was the choreography. The choreography could have been changed and would have been changed as needed - no one wants to see Sharron get injured. She just didn't like the song.
Selena
22-02-2010
How on earth can someone not physically do a song?

Yes Sharron had a problem with choreography but the song cant hurt her injuries.
gazb2
23-02-2010
I'm sorry...but Torvil and Dean know exactly what they are talking about - at the end of the day, are they not the best in the business ?? If they thought Sharron couldn't physically do the routine, then they would not have given it to her.
number six
23-02-2010
T&D were trying to up her game by giving her a faster routine, everyone else was streets ahead of her and if she was serious about staying in the competiton (she she obviously wasn't) she would have taken up the challenge, I don't buy the injury excuses, other people cope with injuries and get on with it.
shefair
23-02-2010
are you seriously saying her shoulder was too poorly to pick up a phone to discuss this with C and J

I will give her a bad shoulder but I also think she had a bad attitude and talking about a change of routine rather than just doing it may have saved her
retrovertigo
23-02-2010
Sharon is one of those people I always kinda liked - until she was on Dancing On Ice. Her attitude most weeks was awful.

I have injuries from an accident and I know that even going doing regular skating would be difficult, before I have even attempted it. As a sportswoman she would know before she signed for the show she had limitations, but then started to moan when routines became difficult.

Let's be honest. She was one of the worst skaters and had hidden behind slow routines - not because of her shoulder - but because her foot work wasn't up to it. All she did was glide around slowly, or be lifted by Pav and look awkward.

Glad she has gone because she clearly didn't want to push herself skating wise.
Smithy1204
23-02-2010
I also think the problem was more the choreography, not the song. And I think it was the right time for her to leave - and that's not to say I don't think she didn't improve a lot throughout the series, just that if she was struggling with uptempo numbers she'd reached as far as she could at the moment.

She knows her body better than anyone, and if she didn't want to risk causing further damage and pain to herself that's definitely understandable! She still made a lot of progress over the series, and did seem to be starting to enjoy it a bit more, but I don't think she really minded leaving.
tawny
23-02-2010
Perhaps it would have been better for her not to have taken part at all! She must have known she would have to move her arms round!
Tortue
23-02-2010
I think a faster song would make the choreography more demanding so maybe there was some logic to her decision

I don't blame her changing it up if she felt it was too much for her. Health is more important than some silly dance competition

Having said that she seemed a bit of a soup puss to me and I could imagine she wasn't the easiest to work with
Ignazio
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by rickster1995:
“i wish people would take that into consideration.

and im a massive, massive fan of jayne and chris but im starting to wonder if they do really care about the celebs or only care about a good show.”

Much as I agree I fear you are preaching to the unconverted.
Veri
23-02-2010
Originally Posted by Selena:
“How on earth can someone not physically do a song?

Yes Sharron had a problem with choreography but the song cant hurt her injuries.”

Didn't the choreography change as well?

Otherwise, why would anyone care that she changed the song?
CaroUK
23-02-2010
Given that all the participants have to undergo a pretty thorough medical for insurance purposes before they are signed up - I am surprised that Sharron's injury with all the implications for the choreography wasn't picked up.

Pavel said on TM that they used the T&D choreography but adapted it to the slower tempo. I think that Sharron was able to do it to a slow piece because it gave her time to settle into the moves properly and look after her shoulder. In fast routines I think the pro has to do a fair amount of pushing and pulling to get into place if they have a less able celeb, and had Pavel had to grab Sharron's arm at speed her shoulder might have come out. You could see Andrei yanking Sinitta about in their skate off and you can see Fred doing the same with Emily at some point in most of their routines (and Molly with Bobby and Alexandra with Hilary for that matter)
caz789
24-02-2010
Not my favourite, but they clearly showed her last week saying she had a problem with her arm and T&D just looked at her like she was speaking a foreign language.
Dancing Girl
24-02-2010
Obviously, appearing on Dancing on Ice can help your career but if you cross T and D, they do a hatched job!!! In a recent interview Sharron said she was very disappointed by the editing of the VT and she had rung the producer of the show to explain that she had to change the routine a bit and the music on Tuesday. I just felt the whole panel, Phil and T and D were ganging up on her on Sunday just because she DARED to change her routine!!! I think the whole problem was made more dramatic for the telly pure and simple. It has not helped Sharron 's reputation and does make her look like a diva!!! I think she handled the interview on This Morning very well as I think I would have lost it and been very honest about what had been going on!! I am not a particular fan of Sharron's but I hate people behaving like a pack of dogs!!!
Dancing Girl
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by tawny:
“Perhaps it would have been better for her not to have taken part at all! She must have known she would have to move her arms round!”

AND the producers must have known she had sport injuries as she had to go thru a medical before she was booked for the show!! I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion and just look at the media coverage the show has gotten since Sunday!!!!! It is all about the show and publicity, the number of viewers and votes!! In other words, MONEY!!!! Can you imagine how much T and D make from the Show and the Tour each year!!!! I personally see Jayne and Chris with new eyes!!! Sweetness and light, they are not!!!!
Dancing Girl
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by rickster1995:
“i wish people would take that into consideration.

and im a massive, massive fan of jayne and chris but im starting to wonder if they do really care about the celebs or only care about a good show.”

So am I. When you think of the risks some of the celebs take, like the headbanger for example!!! It takes YEARS to become a professional skater and some of the lifts, routines the celebs are asked to do are dangerous and I sometimes am amazed at how desperate some of these celebs are to get back into the big time!! I would rather do Strictly as it is not so dangerous and the possibility of you ending up in a wheelchair or with a broken neck are not so high!!!!!
Lorelei Lee
24-02-2010
If Heather Mills can get on the show as an amputee, do you really think they're going to reject a former professional athlete whose body has been tuned to the highest standards on MEDICAL grounds?!

I wonder if Sharron mentioned the injury and then when they saw it didn't affect her mobility initially, nobody bothered about it any more. Until it became a problem.

If Sharron declared the shoulder problem at the start then she's got grounds to be annoyed when people start ignoring it. If she didn't, then I think other people might have a right to be annoyed when it suddenly rears its head.

None of which detracts from the fact that if it was a problem this week then it should have been accommodated. Full stop.

The only witness other than Sharron when the problem began occurring was Pavel, and he's gone on record as saying the problem was obvious and the choreography had to be changed. I'm inclined to trust his judgement and give Sharron the benefit of the doubt.
killer-tango
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“If Heather Mills can get on the show as an amputee, do you really think they're going to reject a former professional athlete whose body has been tuned to the highest standards on MEDICAL grounds?!

I wonder if Sharron mentioned the injury and then when they saw it didn't affect her mobility initially, nobody bothered about it any more. Until it became a problem.

If Sharron declared the shoulder problem at the start then she's got grounds to be annoyed when people start ignoring it. If she didn't, then I think other people might have a right to be annoyed when it suddenly rears its head.

None of which detracts from the fact that if it was a problem this week then it should have been accommodated. Full stop.

The only witness other than Sharron when the problem began occurring was Pavel, and he's gone on record as saying the problem was obvious and the choreography had to be changed. I'm inclined to trust his judgement and give Sharron the benefit of the doubt.”

It begs the question, why did Sharon enter DOI in the first place.

I assume it was the money because as a boost to her career, its not been a success. For years, I've always been a Sharon fan but she didn't come across well right from the off and those ridiculous leotards she wore didn't soften her image one iota.
lach doch mal
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by killer-tango:
“It begs the question, why did Sharon enter DOI in the first place.

I assume it was the money because as a boost to her career, its not been a success. For years, I've always been a Sharon fan but she didn't come across well right from the off and those ridiculous leotards she wore didn't soften her image one iota.”

To be fair, I think that's why all of them do it. Apart from Heather, who gave it all to charity.
Tiger Rose
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“To be fair, I think that's why all of them do it. Apart from Heather, who gave it all to charity.”

Did she? I never heard her mention that.
Tiger Rose
24-02-2010
I don't think anyone should be surprised at Torvill & Dean having a ruthless streak. You don't get to the top of any sport without it IMO.
Tiger Rose
25-02-2010
One thing I remember from last series is that Coleen supposedly had an injury which meant that she didn't have to do the required element. (Can't remember what the element was but I think it involved some actual skating as opposed to Stuart dragging her round).

There was no drama, nasty manipulative VTs etc then with Coleen defying Jayne & Chris and not doing the required element. Judges and Philip & Holly glossed over it. Why is that? Oh stupid me Coleen works for ITV and Sharon doesn't!!
lach doch mal
25-02-2010
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“Did she? I never heard her mention that. ”

She only did it about 50 times, so no wonder you never heard it. Actually to be fair, she didn't mention it that often at all.

Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“One thing I remember from last series is that Coleen supposedly had an injury which meant that she didn't have to do the required element. (Can't remember what the element was but I think it involved some actual skating as opposed to Stuart dragging her round).

There was no drama, nasty manipulative VTs etc then with Coleen defying Jayne & Chris and not doing the required element. Judges and Philip & Holly glossed over it. Why is that? Oh stupid me Coleen works for ITV and Sharon doesn't!!”

I think you have a point here, I wonder how everything would have gone if Sharron was working for ITV. Lots of sympathy, glossing over and the understanding that we must work to the contestant's strength.
Droog83
25-02-2010
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“One thing I remember from last series is that Coleen supposedly had an injury which meant that she didn't have to do the required element. (Can't remember what the element was but I think it involved some actual skating as opposed to Stuart dragging her round).

There was no drama, nasty manipulative VTs etc then with Coleen defying Jayne & Chris and not doing the required element. Judges and Philip & Holly glossed over it. Why is that? Oh stupid me Coleen works for ITV and Sharon doesn't!!”

God I forgot about that! Grrr, very fishy indeed It seems if you want to do well, or rather if you want to be treated well on DOI, it's not what you know it's who you know!
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