Well just having watched them on Loose Woman it took one of the presenters to remind Hayley that she actually has a fiance after Hayley saying she'd never met anyone that she made such a good team with! She totally exagerates her relationship with Dan its a bit sad really.
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Originally Posted by River Man:
“She's 32 and acts about 12.”
“She's 32 and acts about 12.”
Thats because if she pretends she's still 12 there's still a chance she can be with Dan forever
Originally Posted by gazb2:
“This thread WAS an honest attempt to work out why people dislike Hayley. Thanks for your contribution
”
“This thread WAS an honest attempt to work out why people dislike Hayley. Thanks for your contribution
”
You say you started this thread as an honest attempt to work out why some people don't like Hayley. But all you are doing is dismissing anybody who comes on here and says they don't like her? Even those who have given sensible answers . What's the point then??
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“Well just having watched them on Loose Woman it took one of the presenters to remind Hayley that she actually has a fiance after Hayley saying she'd never met anyone that she made such a good team with! She totally exagerates her relationship with Dan its a bit sad really.”
“Well just having watched them on Loose Woman it took one of the presenters to remind Hayley that she actually has a fiance after Hayley saying she'd never met anyone that she made such a good team with! She totally exagerates her relationship with Dan its a bit sad really.”
Tracey is that you ??
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“OP do you think you are doing Hayley any favours by coming on here starting a thread that will most likely end up being another Hayley bashing thread?
Been reading Hayley's Twitter and Hayley herself seems very gushing to particular fans but then barely acknowledges others, it appears there's a group that are hell bent on stirring things up for her.
I believe you are also one of the posters on there? Correct me if I am wrong.
This thread I believe has come about due to Hayley coming on here to read posts and not like what she's read, if she's not big enough to take criticism then she should stay well away from forums like this as eveyone is entitled to an opinion and not everyone can like ALL the people on the show.
And as for all the gushing, and sucking up to fans that were creeping and crawling to her last night is was a bit pathetic and desperate in my opinion.
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that a fan had met her somewhere and that she had no time for them and that she appeared very demanding with her entourage and was more interested in her designer doggy.
As someone who loves Dancing on Ice and is supporting Hayley in the show I think it's time she maybe actually read the posts and take away what people are saying the good AND the bad and maybe learn from that rather than whining about it or she will lose respect from the true fans.”
“OP do you think you are doing Hayley any favours by coming on here starting a thread that will most likely end up being another Hayley bashing thread?
Been reading Hayley's Twitter and Hayley herself seems very gushing to particular fans but then barely acknowledges others, it appears there's a group that are hell bent on stirring things up for her.
I believe you are also one of the posters on there? Correct me if I am wrong.
This thread I believe has come about due to Hayley coming on here to read posts and not like what she's read, if she's not big enough to take criticism then she should stay well away from forums like this as eveyone is entitled to an opinion and not everyone can like ALL the people on the show.
And as for all the gushing, and sucking up to fans that were creeping and crawling to her last night is was a bit pathetic and desperate in my opinion.
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that a fan had met her somewhere and that she had no time for them and that she appeared very demanding with her entourage and was more interested in her designer doggy.
As someone who loves Dancing on Ice and is supporting Hayley in the show I think it's time she maybe actually read the posts and take away what people are saying the good AND the bad and maybe learn from that rather than whining about it or she will lose respect from the true fans.”
What a nice person you are
and what a nasty post.
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“Let's just assume for a sec that this thread was an honest attempt to work out why people don't like someone who, in the OP's view, has done nothing to make herself dislikeable.
As a non-basher and non-fangirl when it comes to Hayley, I've been trying to work out why I don't like her, in the sensible, rational way such a thread like this demands...
...and I can't think of a reason. I just don't like her
The closest I can come is that she doesn't make me FEEL anything when she skates. Danniella does, Kieron does, Mikey does - but I feel with Hayley that her flashing smiles and showy moves are almost substitutes for genuine enjoyment, rather than expressions of it.
Am I making sense? (Hey, there's a first time for everything).
And by the way, I think it's rude to dismiss a thread out of hand if it isn't a thread opened specifically to bash someone.”
“Let's just assume for a sec that this thread was an honest attempt to work out why people don't like someone who, in the OP's view, has done nothing to make herself dislikeable.
As a non-basher and non-fangirl when it comes to Hayley, I've been trying to work out why I don't like her, in the sensible, rational way such a thread like this demands...
...and I can't think of a reason. I just don't like her
The closest I can come is that she doesn't make me FEEL anything when she skates. Danniella does, Kieron does, Mikey does - but I feel with Hayley that her flashing smiles and showy moves are almost substitutes for genuine enjoyment, rather than expressions of it.
Am I making sense? (Hey, there's a first time for everything).
And by the way, I think it's rude to dismiss a thread out of hand if it isn't a thread opened specifically to bash someone.”
Makes perfect sense to me
. She hasn't done anything dislikeable as such but then she hasn't done anything that I can find particularly likeable either, which as you say Daniella, Kieron, Mikey, have for you (me too) and for me Gary now I see how good his skating is and even Emily is growing on me. Hayley just isn't.
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“Let's just assume for a sec that this thread was an honest attempt to work out why people don't like someone who, in the OP's view, has done nothing to make herself dislikeable.
As a non-basher and non-fangirl when it comes to Hayley, I've been trying to work out why I don't like her, in the sensible, rational way such a thread like this demands...
...and I can't think of a reason. I just don't like her
The closest I can come is that she doesn't make me FEEL anything when she skates. Danniella does, Kieron does, Mikey does - but I feel with Hayley that her flashing smiles and showy moves are almost substitutes for genuine enjoyment, rather than expressions of it.
Am I making sense? (Hey, there's a first time for everything).
And by the way, I think it's rude to dismiss a thread out of hand if it isn't a thread opened specifically to bash someone.”
“Let's just assume for a sec that this thread was an honest attempt to work out why people don't like someone who, in the OP's view, has done nothing to make herself dislikeable.
As a non-basher and non-fangirl when it comes to Hayley, I've been trying to work out why I don't like her, in the sensible, rational way such a thread like this demands...
...and I can't think of a reason. I just don't like her
The closest I can come is that she doesn't make me FEEL anything when she skates. Danniella does, Kieron does, Mikey does - but I feel with Hayley that her flashing smiles and showy moves are almost substitutes for genuine enjoyment, rather than expressions of it.
Am I making sense? (Hey, there's a first time for everything).
And by the way, I think it's rude to dismiss a thread out of hand if it isn't a thread opened specifically to bash someone.”
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Makes perfect sense to me. She hasn't done anything dislikeable as such but then she hasn't done anything that I can find particularly likeable either, which as you say Daniella, Kieron, Mikey, have for you (me too) and for me Gary now I see how good his skating is and even Emily is growing on me. Hayley just isn't.”
“Makes perfect sense to me
. She hasn't done anything dislikeable as such but then she hasn't done anything that I can find particularly likeable either, which as you say Daniella, Kieron, Mikey, have for you (me too) and for me Gary now I see how good his skating is and even Emily is growing on me. Hayley just isn't.”
And to me too, I love the three you mentioned as well and look forward to their routines, Hayley I'm a bit meh about don't dislike her though and did like her slower routine a couple of weeks ago.
Speaking as someone who is neutral, I have to say that the very existence of this thread probably gives the biggest clue as to why Hayley is suffering in terms of popularity.
Nobody HAS to like Hayley. And people should be free to like or dislike whomever they choose without being subjected to this barrage of criticism for daring to have opinions.
Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.
Nobody HAS to like Hayley. And people should be free to like or dislike whomever they choose without being subjected to this barrage of criticism for daring to have opinions.
Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.
Originally Posted by daffney:
“Speaking as someone who is neutral, I have to say that the very existence of this thread probably gives the biggest clue as to why Hayley is suffering in terms of popularity.
Nobody HAS to like Hayley. And people should be free to like or dislike whomever they choose without being subjected to this barrage of criticism for daring to have opinions.
Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.”
“Speaking as someone who is neutral, I have to say that the very existence of this thread probably gives the biggest clue as to why Hayley is suffering in terms of popularity.
Nobody HAS to like Hayley. And people should be free to like or dislike whomever they choose without being subjected to this barrage of criticism for daring to have opinions.
Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.”
And you say you are neutral? We Hayley suppporters can't criticise but it is OK for her detractors to do so
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“And you say you are neutral? We Hayley suppporters can't criticise but it is OK for her detractors to do so”
“And you say you are neutral? We Hayley suppporters can't criticise but it is OK for her detractors to do so
”
Of course you can, but there is a difference between criticizing Hayley (or other contestants) and criticizing other forum members. The former is what this forum is for; the latter isn't.
Originally Posted by daffney:
“Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.”
“Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.”
OMG !! So you're saying her supportive fans are responsible for others being nasty about her. AS IF !! The nasty vicious posters have only got their selves to blame. If if wasn't Hayley they were being nasty about it would be someone else. These people must lead a sad existence. I have pity for them, it's just jealous SIMPLE AS
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“And you say you are neutral? We Hayley suppporters can't criticise but it is OK for her detractors to do so”
“And you say you are neutral? We Hayley suppporters can't criticise but it is OK for her detractors to do so
”
I don't say I'm neutral, I AM neutral.
You can criticise other contestants ..who said you couldn't?
And you do.
Equally so, then, you have to accept that not everyone thinks that Hayley is all that great.
Originally Posted by tilly07:
“OMG !! So you're saying her supportive fans are responsible for others being nasty about her.”
“OMG !! So you're saying her supportive fans are responsible for others being nasty about her.”
I'm saying that SOME of her supporters are generating this ill-feeling, yes. Most definitely.
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Of course you can, but there is a difference between criticizing Hayley (or other contestants) and criticizing other forum members. The former is what this forum is for; the latter isn't.”
“Of course you can, but there is a difference between criticizing Hayley (or other contestants) and criticizing other forum members. The former is what this forum is for; the latter isn't.”
Completely right. People are entitled to praise other contestants in the show without being branded "Hayley-haters"
Originally Posted by daffney:
“I'm saying that SOME of her supporters are generating this ill-feeling, yes. Most definitely.”
“I'm saying that SOME of her supporters are generating this ill-feeling, yes. Most definitely.”
Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !
There's a big difference between disliking her and not actively liking her.
I am in the latter group.
I acknowledge that she performs and skates well, but for reasons I can't pin down, I don't enjoy or connect with her performances as much as a couple of the others, e.g. Kieron.
My all time favourite so far in DOI has been Chris Fountain, because I found his routines exciting to watch.
I am in the latter group.
I acknowledge that she performs and skates well, but for reasons I can't pin down, I don't enjoy or connect with her performances as much as a couple of the others, e.g. Kieron.
My all time favourite so far in DOI has been Chris Fountain, because I found his routines exciting to watch.
Originally Posted by tilly07:
“Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !”
“Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !”
Any ill feeling is generated from apparently being told that we MUST like Hayley (in so many words) and it starts to seem like badgering and hectoring and ends up being more off putting than whatever we thought about Hayley in the first place. No jealousy involved.
Originally Posted by tilly07:
“Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !”
“Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !”
Jealousy? Of what?
It's not a question of someone showing support. No one has a problem with that. It's the obsessive stuff that causes the problems.
Originally Posted by tilly07:
“Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !”
“Obviously it's jealousy then. Why would someone showing Hayley support generate ill-feeling with any "sound" minded human being ? I rest my case !”
I'm not jealous and I don't mind people supporting thier favourite but theres a way to do it. It annoys me when someone posts something like "How dare you say that about Hayley. She's a real person with feelings you know". Yet they gladly slag off another contestant in another thread, the other contestants are people with real feelings as well or does that only count regarding their favourite. Yes Hayley has has some nasty comments so has everyone else.
Originally Posted by jimbojones:
“You say you started this thread as an honest attempt to work out why some people don't like Hayley. But all you are doing is dismissing anybody who comes on here and says they don't like her? Even those who have given sensible answers . What's the point then??”
“You say you started this thread as an honest attempt to work out why some people don't like Hayley. But all you are doing is dismissing anybody who comes on here and says they don't like her? Even those who have given sensible answers . What's the point then??”
Excuse me ?? What sensible answers did I dismiss ?? Quote me please.....
Originally Posted by daffney:
“Nobody HAS to like Hayley. And people should be free to like or dislike whomever they choose without being subjected to this barrage of criticism for daring to have opinions.
Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.”
“Nobody HAS to like Hayley. And people should be free to like or dislike whomever they choose without being subjected to this barrage of criticism for daring to have opinions.
Some of Hayley's fans need to step back a bit, and maybe they might just realise how much THEY are contributing to Hayley's unpopularity and back off and do the girl a favour.”
I really really doubt that it's Hayley's supporters that are making her unpopular...it's because she is a very strong contender to take 1st prize.
And I have said an actual COUNTLESS number of times that of COURSE people have different opinions on their favorites, and OBVIOUSLY they are allowed to share them...but what I'm asking is why Hayley is being criticized in such strong ways and heat when I can absolutely see nothing wrong with her. I am NOT referring to people that have other favorites...I'm referring to the people that post things such as "I hope she falls flat on her face...that will wipe the grin from her face"...what has she done to deserve that ??
Originally Posted by Selena:
“I'm not jealous and I don't mind people supporting thier favourite but theres a way to do it. It annoys me when someone posts something like "How dare you say that about Hayley. She's a real person with feelings you know". Yet they gladly slag off another contestant in another thread, the other contestants are people with real feelings as well or does that only count regarding their favourite. Yes Hayley has has some nasty comments so has everyone else.”
“I'm not jealous and I don't mind people supporting thier favourite but theres a way to do it. It annoys me when someone posts something like "How dare you say that about Hayley. She's a real person with feelings you know". Yet they gladly slag off another contestant in another thread, the other contestants are people with real feelings as well or does that only count regarding their favourite. Yes Hayley has has some nasty comments so has everyone else.”
I honestly have not read any nasty comments about any other contender on here....especially as much as I have read rude and insulting comments on Hayley. Could you please direct me to said comments about other contenders?? Then I might actually believe you...
Hayley IS a real person with feelings....and the amount of negative insults on here are appalling. Attack me for saying this if you want...but put yourself in Hayley's shoes for a minute....you would be just as upset.
Originally Posted by gazb2:
“I honestly have not read any nasty comments about any other contender on here....especially as much as I have read rude and insulting comments on Hayley. Could you please direct me to said comments about other contenders?? Then I might actually believe you...”
“I honestly have not read any nasty comments about any other contender on here....especially as much as I have read rude and insulting comments on Hayley. Could you please direct me to said comments about other contenders?? Then I might actually believe you...”
Just read any of the Heather Mills threads from when she was still in the competition.
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Of course you can, but there is a difference between criticizing Hayley (or other contestants) and criticizing other forum members. The former is what this forum is for; the latter isn't.”
“Of course you can, but there is a difference between criticizing Hayley (or other contestants) and criticizing other forum members. The former is what this forum is for; the latter isn't.”
But the 'criticisms' from the Hayley fans are within the ~T & C's of this forum:confused
Originally Posted by gazb2:
“I really really doubt that it's Hayley's supporters that are making her unpopular...it's because she is a very strong contender to take 1st prize.”
“I really really doubt that it's Hayley's supporters that are making her unpopular...it's because she is a very strong contender to take 1st prize.”
So are Daniella and Gary. And they receive plenty of criticism too.
Heather , Sharon and probably Emily as well have had comments that haven't been "nice". And that's without even mentioning Hilary!!
But everyone accepts that is part of life really.
People are entitled to not like Hayley if they choose, without any explanation, and definitely without being branded as "haters".
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