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Sharron's Blog - interesting reading!
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Droog83
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“Sorry guys, but I don't think T&D are the ultimate villains here.

Sharron's blog has cemented the suspicion growing in my mind after reading all the available evidence - if she'd been able to spend a bit more time with T&D they'd have seen what kind of problems she was having and probably agreed that she couldn't cope.

Because T&D are zooming around all week and don't have the time to devote hours to each celeb, they weren't there to observe practice post-choreography, when the difficulties really started. Pavel - a professional skater and a very nice man - could see the problem developing, and did immediately help sort out the changes required.

It sounds to me as if all communication on the subject of the changes was carried out through those master manipulators, the production team - who, quite apart from making Sharron look as crap as possible in just about every one of her VTs, obviously didn't bother to communicate responses from either party to the other quite in the spirit they were intended.

There were rumours at the beginning of the show that Sharron had made herself unpopular. Now we know who she made herself unpopular with - and it wasn't T&D or the other celebrities.

So if you want to have a go at anyone, have a go at ITV for their Big Brother-style caricaturing. Sharron bad, T&D good, full stop - no matter what the real story is.”

Very good point.

Just to be clear by the way, while I'm disappointed in the way Chris vetoed Sharron's requests, I still think he and Jayne are fab at what they do and will look forward to watching them on the tour. As you say, I think the bulk of this mess was created by lack of communication and manipulation on the production team's part.
Droog83
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“How very french. By the way, it just shows was an insecure person he is. Like kids on the playground who pick on the unpopular kid in order to be liked by the cool kids. And no I'm not picking on him, I have even mentioned that sometimes he gives constructive criticism (quite by coincidence I believe).

By the way, a sword fight would do nicely (my other half would love you). Give me the time and the place (afterwards, I will have time to fight off the remaining people in the queue).”

Ha! You think you'll beat me so easily, eh? EN GARDE!!

His behaviour throughout this whole thing has been despicable, I think I said on a different thread that he tends to pick and enemy for himself each series and then goad them till they leave (Greg Rusedski, Roxanne Pallet, Sharron), for no other reason it seems, other than to cement his reputation as the villain and get some airtime and column inches for himself
EffEmmx
24-02-2010
Goodness me, she doesn't half go on.

Anyway I do like Sharron, and she wasn't physically able to the fast rountine. T&D gave her a rountine that they thought she could handle. They do know best about which rountines suit who but they do not know best when it comes to personal health.

T&D make that show what it is. They are the best thing about it.
lulu g
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“This is a really interesting point I think. Because I liked her as a contestant. I always feel for those who are tall and have a connection with them, being five foot ten myself, and in moments she learned to be really graceful. So when Sunday came about I was shocked and dismayed. It seemed out of character for Sharron.

Looking back I think I can easily see that I was quick to judge and it was because I'm such a huge fan of Chris and Jayne. This really does put a new spin on things...”

Interesting choice of word. Yes, I think it is a very good piece of damage limitation. I don't believe Sharron wrote this herself. I suspect that the 'friend' who wrote the PS is in fact Sharron's PR person and that he/she also wrote the part purportedly written by Sharron herself. As others have said, I'm pretty sure the truth of the matter lies somewhere in between Sharron's account and the official version. If, as has been suggested, the production people have deliberately chosen to portray Sharron in a negative light, you have to ask yourself why.
Droog83
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by EffEmmx:
“Goodness me, she doesn't half go on.

Anyway I do like Sharron, and she wasn't physically able to the fast rountine. T&D gave her a rountine that they thought she could handle. They do know best about which rountines suit who but they do not know best when it comes to personal health.

T&D make that show what it is. They are the best thing about it.”

I think that ITV have the same opinion... hence casting Sharron as the villain in her VT and making T&D look like the wronged parties.
samiskim
24-02-2010
ITV really do leave a nasty taste in the mouth, They twist and distort the truth to suit their own ends, they allow employees to post derisive comments on Twitter about work colleagues, they support that revolting Gardiner creature and also condone his behaviour. When a contestant tells them they have an old injury and working for them has caused a flare up they say one thing to the contestant and another on the VT making that contestant look like a trouble-maker rather than behaving responsibly. It is amazing anyone would want to work for them.

Next year I hope celebs thinks twice about signing up for this show. They will have to deal with freaks, pontification, bitchy comments, manipulation and Christopher Dean who does not listen to the needs of the contestant but is arrogance personified in insisiting they do his routine when he damn well know the reason why they shouldn't even attempt it.

Yes I am really glad I don't work for them. They really must think the audience are idiots. The show has lost credibility and to paraphrase Shakespeare "There is some rotten in the state of Dancing on Ice land.
lulu g
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by samiskim:
“ITV really do leave a nasty taste in the mouth, They twist and distort the truth to suit their own ends, they allow employees to post derisive comments on Twitter about work colleagues, they support that revolting Gardiner creature and also condone his behaviour. When a contestant tells them they have an old injury and working for them has caused a flare up they say one thing to the contestant and another on the VT making that contestant look like a trouble-maker rather than behaving responsibly. It is amazing anyone would want to work for them.

Next year I hope celebs thinks twice about signing up for this show. They will have to deal with freaks, pontification, bitchy comments, manipulation and Christopher Dean who does not listen to the needs of the contestant but is arrogance personified in insisiting they do his routine when he damn well know the reason why they shouldn't even attempt it.

Yes I am really glad I don't work for them. They really must think the audience are idiots. The show has lost credibility and to paraphrase Shakespeare "There is some rotten in the state of Dancing on Ice land.”

Freaks?
FantasticMrFox
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Interesting choice of word. Yes, I think it is a very good piece of damage limitation. I don't believe Sharron wrote this herself. I suspect that the 'friend' who wrote the PS is in fact Sharron's PR person and that he/she also wrote the part purportedly written by Sharron herself. As others have said, I'm pretty sure the truth of the matter lies somewhere in between Sharron's account and the official version. If, as has been suggested, the production people have deliberately chosen to portray Sharron in a negative light, you have to ask yourself why.”

It was a completely intentional word choice I can assure you. I do think that I took Chris and Jayne's side without question, which I do apologise for. However I believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two points. Sharron's blog post is constructed in the fashion of an article you might find in a newspaper and a very well written one at that. I don't believe she wrote that for one minute, it seems like damage control from an excellent PR. At this moment in time though I am more likely to give Sharron the benefit of the doubt. ITV's manipulation of footage is well documented over several of their reality shows.
lulu g
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“It was a completely intentional word choice I can assure you. I do think that I took Chris and Jayne's side without question, which I do apologise for. However I believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two points. Sharron's blog post is constructed in the fashion of an article you might find in a newspaper and a very well written one at that. I don't believe she wrote that for one minute, it seems like damage control from an excellent PR. At this moment in time though I am more likely to give Sharron the benefit of the doubt. ITV's manipulation of footage is well documented over several of their reality shows.”

Yes, I think we are reading from the same hymnsheet, but I can't help wondering whether any perceived anti-Sharron actions on the part of the production people and/or T & D results from Sharron's behaviour during the course of the series. Has she perhaps been a bit difficult even before last week? I'm just floating this idea as a possibility, simply because something about this whole business doesn't quite sit right.
CaroUK
24-02-2010
Well SOMEONE in the production team definitely knew what was going on as the music change had to be agreed by whoever arranged the copyright approval for the use of the track. S&P couldn't just choose any track they liked. The question is - why didn't the producers mention it to J&C - and having deliberately not kept the communication channels open it was nasty to spin the story the way the did.

The VT implied that Sharron had changed the music AND the choreography, whereas it appears that the producers gave her the music and Pavel adapted the Chris Dean choreography to suit it.

If the story is somewhere in between the 2 versions it appears that the person most disrespected in the whole sordid incident is Sharron.
Droog83
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Well SOMEONE in the production team definitely knew what was going on as the music change had to be agreed by whoever arranged the copyright approval for the use of the track. S&P couldn't just choose any track they liked. The question is - why didn't the producers mention it to J&C - and having deliberately not kept the communication channels open it was nasty to spin the story the way the did.

The VT implied that Sharron had changed the music AND the choreography, whereas it appears that the producers gave her the music and Pavel adapted the Chris Dean choreography to suit it.

If the story is somewhere in between the 2 versions it appears that the person most disrespected in the whole sordid incident is Sharron.”

Completely agree
Dancing Girl
24-02-2010
I am appalled by the way Sharron has been treated. Obviously if you upset Jayne and Chris they do a hatched job on you. They have made it sound as though Sharron was difficult and a real DIVA and yet when you read her BLOG she sounds reasonable. As often said before they all have to pass a medical for insurance reasons to be booked onto the show so the producers knew Sharron had some physical problems. I thought the whole atmophere on Sunday was dreadful, with the CONSTANT harping on and on about how they wanted competitors who would try anything and give their all etc. Emma's comments were totally unnecessary and she was just jumping on the bandwagon like Justin. As we do not know the actual number of votes each contestant receives who knows if Sharron was REALLY voted off the show by the viewers!! After the VT I thought she did not have a chance in hell of staying in. I thought her skating was good on Sunday much more graceful than previously and I enjoyed her routine and music. No doubt I will now be shot at dawn by Phil, Chris and Jayne for daring to agree with Sharron. It has been a real eye opener!! What a load of ego drama queens the lot of them are!!!
Dancing Girl
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Just let me get my handcuffs. Another thing (as I do feel strongly about this, I don't like downright nasty manipulation). If I was working for ITV, I would reprimand Gardiner for calling a contestant of their show a "cow" and worse on his public twitter thing. I'm really angry about this, because it gives such a bad example and they should do something about it.”

I think the most important thing to ITV is publicity and Jason gets that for the show. His appalling comments have been commented on for the last few weeks, headline after headline but he is never criticised by Phil, ITV producers etc. He has now even managed to get a regular slot on This Morning as a Fashion Consultant when he is actually an ex-dancer with (obviously) very little fashion sense.!!! I think the producers love him and his outrageous comments!!! I think for any judge to use TWITTER to make snide comments about a contestant on a reality show (where the public make telephone votes etc) is horrendous but he gets away with it, time and time again.
winenroses
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Interesting choice of word. Yes, I think it is a very good piece of damage limitation. I don't believe Sharron wrote this herself. I suspect that the 'friend' who wrote the PS is in fact Sharron's PR person and that he/she also wrote the part purportedly written by Sharron herself. As others have said, I'm pretty sure the truth of the matter lies somewhere in between Sharron's account and the official version. If, as has been suggested, the production people have deliberately chosen to portray Sharron in a negative light, you have to ask yourself why.”

It is extremely well written, I must say. I think it is probably fair to say that the truth lies somewhere inbetween. Jayne and Chris looked very uptight last Sunday. However, Pavel did say that the VT did not represent what had gone on. He is very supportive of Sharron and I think he is a genuine, decent man. Their body language was good and I think they really did get on well.
winenroses
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“It was a completely intentional word choice I can assure you. I do think that I took Chris and Jayne's side without question, which I do apologise for. However I believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two points. Sharron's blog post is constructed in the fashion of an article you might find in a newspaper and a very well written one at that. I don't believe she wrote that for one minute, it seems like damage control from an excellent PR. At this moment in time though I am more likely to give Sharron the benefit of the doubt. ITV's manipulation of footage is well documented over several of their reality shows.”

Yes it was just too well written. You can overdo these things, Ms PR.

(Not you MrFox )
FantasticMrFox
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by winenroses:
“Yes it was just too well written. You can overdo these things, Ms PR.

(Not you MrFox )”

You can't hide from an English student.
tabithakitten
24-02-2010
I'm with those posters (I'm terribly creative and original aren't I?) who have said that the truth is probably somewhere between what we saw on Sunday and what Sharron(?) has written in her blog.

It does seem as if

a) Sharron voiced her concerns several times
b) Chris was keen for her to do the routine despite the concerns
c) Sharron has been misrepresented to an extent

However, there is careful wording in that blog that puts just as much of a slant towards Sharron on the incident as Sunday's show put towards Jayne and Chris.

I'm always wary of those accounts from an interested party that purport to give the "real" story behind the drama. However much said party tries to paint a truthful, objective picture they will still automatically gloss over certain things that put them in a bad light and emphasise those things that either a) do the same for other parties involved or b) make them look better. The same would be true of an account from Jayne, Chris or a member of the production team involved in the incident.

It also seems from this that the majority of communication about the routine (both original and adapted) went on via a third party and surely everyone is aware how much a story can change in the retelling. This sort of Chinese Whispers makes it very possible that neither side got anything like the original message and the original intent from the other.
woo1
24-02-2010
I thought the blog was very well written, and actually wondered if it had been written this carefully because it may have been checked by a legal advisor before posting? Some of it almost seemed like a concise statement of events - not the bits that are Sharron's feelings about T&D but the details about what was discussed at each rehearsal.

Must admit I am a casual viewer, usually watching whilst waiting for Larkrise to start, and don't post here so apologies for jumping into this thread, but I did catch Sharron and Pavel on Sunday and found the whole atmosphere around the VT etc very uncomfortable. Maybe it was Sharron objecting to bad tie man's jibes and insults that eventually led to this?
Droog83
24-02-2010
Re: a publicist writing the blog entry... hmmmmm, perhaps. Have to say though, the way it's written sounds the same as the rest of her DOI blog entries, and indeed the same as the rest of her website full stop (there's a lot of stuff on there.) Seems unlikely that she'd hire someone to write all of her blog entries, some stuff goes a long way back... Also having watched her interviews on TM and what have you she comes across as quite an intelligent, articulate person. Is it so hard to believe she writes her own blog?

Meh, anyway. It's all speculation on my part! Jus' thinking aloud
FantasticMrFox
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by Droog83:
“Re: a publicist writing the blog entry... hmmmmm, perhaps. Have to say though, the way it's written sounds the same as the rest of her DOI blog entries, and indeed the same as the rest of her website full stop (there's a lot of stuff on there.) Seems unlikely that she'd hire someone to write all of her blog entries, some stuff goes a long way back... Also having watched her interviews on TM and what have you she comes across as quite an intelligent, articulate person. Is it so hard to believe she writes her own blog?

Meh, anyway. It's all speculation on my part! Jus' thinking aloud”

Just a quick comment about the highlighted section. Everyone who is in the public eye usually has someone to edit their posting. Perhaps not for something like twitter but for blog posts that are more in depth, without a doubt. There is too much at stake and the British public is very fickle. That level of literacy is too polished for someone who doesn't specialise in writing.
lulu g
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“Just a quick comment about the highlighted section. Everyone who is in the public eye usually has someone to edit their posting. Perhaps not for something like twitter but for blog posts that are more in depth, without a doubt. There is too much at stake and the British public is very fickle. That level of literacy is too polished for someone who doesn't specialise in writing.”

And it's very different from her Twitter posts, which someone posted here the other day. Even allowing for the difference in level of formality between Twitter and a blog of this kind, it didn't feel like the same person writing.
Droog83
24-02-2010
Fair enough, as I said this is all speculation. We don't know for sure whether she did or didn't write it herself, was just airing a thought.
samiskim
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Freaks?”

Sorry - one freak - whose name begins with a J and ends with an n.
jill1812
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by samiskim:
“Sorry - one freak - whose name begins with a J and ends with an n.”

Why is he a freak?
Veri
24-02-2010
Originally Posted by EffEmmx:
“Goodness me, she doesn't half go on.

Anyway I do like Sharron, and she wasn't physically able to the fast rountine. T&D gave her a rountine that they thought she could handle. They do know best about which rountines suit who but they do not know best when it comes to personal health.

T&D make that show what it is. They are the best thing about it.”

I don't think T&D do know what best suits the celebs. For example, they sent Suzanne Shaw out with a routine the judges attacked for having too many lifts and not enough skating.

If T&D know what's best, it's what's best for the show, not what's best for the contestants in terms of developing their skills, showing what they can do, or giving them the best chance of staying in the show.
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