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Jason "appalled" by Sharron's behaviour...
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Mrs Spratt
27-02-2010
There was at least one occasion where Colleen dropped a required element because of her hand - although the move had nothing to do with her hand - and IRRC she dropped it without consultation, she just didn't do it.

Most of her VTs showed her at hospital or with the physio rather than on the ice. I don't see how that gives her any right to critique someone else who got less sympathetic treatment.

Colleen stayed in because she went on telly in the week and begged her fans to vote for her even though she didn't even attempt the required elements on some occasions. It's a pity Emma Bunton wasn't around last year.
jill1812
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“There was at least one occasion where Colleen dropped a required element because of her hand - although the move had nothing to do with her hand - and IRRC she dropped it without consultation, she just didn't do it.
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The required element she dropped was the unassisted jump, I took it she did it with consultation, it certainly wasn't said that she decided herself.
Mrs Spratt
27-02-2010
As I remember it she dropped it in the programme, it had been choreographed in - if it hadn't, it would hardly have been a 'required element' would it?

But of course the 'story' at that point was 'plucky little Colleen' which is why it wasn't highlighted.

My point is that Colleen Nolan sanctimoniously saying she always did what she was told is laughable, T & D clearly had to work round what she was prepared to do because unlike the other contestants she was appealing for votes all week via Loose Women and was getting voted back regardless of skating ability.

Since votes mean revenue ITV were going to be quite happy with that, and I understand that's how things work, but she should keep her mouth shut rather than building herself up as the perfect contestant. She demanded and got special treatment each week, up to and including skating when she claimed to be too badly injured to perform the required element.
jill1812
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“As I remember it she dropped it in the programme, it had been choreographed in - if it hadn't, it would hardly have been a 'required element' would it?

My point is that Colleen Nolan sanctimoniously saying she always did what she was told is laughable, T & D clearly had to work round what she was prepared to do because unlike the other contestants she was appealing for votes all week via Loose Women and was getting voted back regardless of skating ability. ”

The had to take the jump out when Coleen fractured her wrist. Frankie said last night the adapt choreography during the week depending on how the celeb copes with it. Emily's valentines day routines was being changed all week, right up to the Sunday night. Danny was right T&D give them what they think they can do and the pros make adjustments.

I'm well aware this next sentence could cost me my life but I don't think Pavel came out of last night very well. Surely he should've been the one saying to T&D Sharron cannot do this. If he did why has no-one said that, if he didn't maybe he didn't then maybe he thought she could do it but went along with the song/choreography change for a quiet life and a chance for one final skate. If he did tell T&D Sharron couldn't do it and I've missed I take back this entire paragraph.
Mrs Spratt
27-02-2010
It's my perception that had Colleen - or any other contestant who was getting a lot of votes - done exactly the same thing it would not have been blown up into an issue, demonstrated by the fact that they did not give Colleen exactly the same comments for missing out the required element.

Yes she may have told them before the performance but she told them - she did not ask permission.

Similarly the first time T & D knew about the music can't have been on Sunday evening when they saw her skate.

A decision was made when the VT was edited to make this into an issue because it fitted what they wanted to happen.

When I saw the VT I knew Sharron was going last week and apparently so did she.

I have no problem with Colleen staying in because she was getting the votes by fair means or foul although I was glad when she was knocked out because it was painful watching her skate and annoying seeing her saying how difficult it and how scared she was every Sunday evening then how much she was enjoying it and wanted to stay in Monday - Friday.

But basically, on the issue of people not doing what they are required to do she should STFU.
Vivacious Lady
27-02-2010
I don't think Jason is in the position to call anyone disrespectful. If Sharron should have been more respectful to Chris and Jayne, because they have the greater experience and knowledge in that area, then Jason should be more respectful to Nicky and Karen when judging, since they too have the greater experience. However he clearly isn't.

Having said that it is quite difficult to work out exactly what did go on between Sharron and C&J. Reading blogs tells you a minimal amount really since they'll always be coloured by that person's perception of the situation.
winenroses
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“So lets see, another ITV production interviewing Jason and not reprimanding him for his action, but showing him up as the hero, and not representing Sharron's side of the story. And another production, where everyone agrees with the production team, T&D and the paid ITV staff, but not with the competitor who just left. Sounds fair to me (not).

ITV are really outdoing themselves, and I for one lost a lot of respect for them. Say about the BBC what you will, I don't think this would happen.”

I have been thinking along these lines. Frankly, it's crass TV. I like to believe it wouldn't happen on the BBC who hopefully still have more integrity.
number six
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by winenroses:
“I have been thinking along these lines. Frankly, it's crass TV. I like to believe it wouldn't happen on the BBC who hopefully still have more integrity.”

There is no way that Bruce Forsyth would have stood there and listened to the stuff that Jason was coming out with, he would have stopped him in his tracks long before "poo gate"
Droog83
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I'm well aware this next sentence could cost me my life but I don't think Pavel came out of last night very well. Surely he should've been the one saying to T&D Sharron cannot do this. If he did why has no-one said that, if he didn't maybe he didn't then maybe he thought she could do it but went along with the song/choreography change for a quiet life and a chance for one final skate. If he did tell T&D Sharron couldn't do it and I've missed I take back this entire paragraph.”

RAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!

(I jest, I jest )

I think the fact that Pav IS close to Jayne and Chris and yet still took Sharron's side in all of this speaks volumes tbh. He doesn't strike me as the kind of fella who takes any nonsense from someone who wanted to 'play it safe' or who would go against Chris's wishes (if indeed that's what happened) unless there was a very good reason. Clearly there was a very good, strong feeling of mutual respect and friendship between him and Sharron, that's not the kind of thing that happens if one party is trying to throw her weight around behind the scenes. Just my two-pee's worth

As far a Jason walking of at the end of Sundays show, I think Sharron puts it best:

... A final act of graceless ignorance from someone I'd expect nothing less of.

Jim Kowalski
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Or the irony of those how slag off Jasonby calling them every name they can think of.”

Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I have no problem with any of that, it's all pretty accurate.”

Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Just heard what Jason said last night, he was spot on.

Coleen was right, they did adjust to her injuries. Torvill & Dean obviously thought Sharron could do the choreography.

Whatever the circumstances I'm glad she's gone, I think we've got the best top 7.”

Your Jason's sister,right?
Scattyjan
27-02-2010
I thought I was alone in being bloody annoyed with the Dancing on Ice team - glad to see I'm not!
k9fan
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Droog83:
“RAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!

(I jest, I jest )

I think the fact that Pav IS close to Jayne and Chris and yet still took Sharron's side in all of this speaks volumes tbh. He doesn't strike me as the kind of fella who takes any nonsense from someone who wanted to 'play it safe' or who would go against Chris's wishes (if indeed that's what happened) unless there was a very good reason. Clearly there was a very good, strong feeling of mutual respect and friendship between him and Sharron, that's not the kind of thing that happens if one party is trying to throw her weight around behind the scenes. Just my two-pee's worth

As far a Jason walking of at the end of Sundays show, I think Sharron puts it best:

... A final act of graceless ignorance from someone I'd expect nothing less of.

”


Quite agree
LazySusan
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
“I thought I was alone in being bloody annoyed with the Dancing on Ice team - glad to see I'm not!
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I'm also annoyed with them, I think Sharron has been completely stiched up.
ladymoanalot
27-02-2010
Is this tit still on our TV screens? He reminds me of Zippy only unfortunately without the zip.
Ignazio
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by blueabu:
“I think Jason was quite right in what he said tonight. And the others seemed to back him up. Let's finally face it. Sharon wanted an easy ride so that she didnt look too awful compared to the others, and it went pear shaped. End of.”

You didn't expect the other contestants to come out in public support of Sharron and Pavel did you? That would one sure fire way of finding themselves booted out this Sunday.

Sharron was careful and measured in the way she explained her actions and she made her concerns known early enough for T&D to take into account her further apprehension of the strain being put onto an already vulnerable shoulder.

Their response, relayed via the producers, that they wanted her to 'persevere.' Not even the courtesy of a personal phone call

Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Just heard what Jason said last night, he was spot on.

Coleen was right, they did adjust to her injuries. Torvill & Dean obviously thought Sharron could do the choreography.

Whatever the circumstances I'm glad she's gone, I think we've got the best top 7.”

You may be glad she's gone - I'm sure many share your views but for Colleen to compare her fractured wrist to the injuries sustained by Sharon, after punishing her body daily over a number of years would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and attention seeking.

Sharron is an ex Olympian - Colleen the member of an ex pop group - probably got no closer to exercise than holding a mike.

T&D may have thought Sharron could do the choreography - thought and fact are poles apart.
number six
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by ladymoanalot:
“Is this tit still on our TV screens? He reminds me of Zippy only unfortunately without the zip.”

SliverOfDiamond
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by ladymoanalot:
“Is this tit still on our TV screens? He reminds me of Zippy only unfortunately without the zip.”

OI!! Nothing wrong with Zippy, he was wonderful.
petertard
27-02-2010
Pavel is the one who could give the most objective unbiased account of things, being right in the middle of things, at equal distance as it were from Sharron and T & D, but he has gone home, and is silent on the controversy.
lach doch mal
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Pavel is the one who could give the most objective unbiased account of things, being right in the middle of things, at equal distance as it were from Sharron and T & D, but he has gone home, and is silent on the controversy.”

He wasn't completely quiet, he stood up for her in their "This morning" interview. That should be enough for everyone, but this has been artificially drawn out by ITV because it's good telly, and everyone normally in the wrong can feel self-righteous (e.g. Jason and lovely Coleen - how ridiculous her criticism sounds is beyond belief).
samiskim
27-02-2010
Zippy Rules!. There are twp big difference between Zippy and Jason Gardiner and that is Zippy had talent and he was very entertaining. Unfortunately Gardiner has neither - he is a bully and no-one could accuse him of being a mugwump i.e. sitting on the fence with his mug on one side and his wump on the other. I just wish he would take himself and his poisonous gob and those nasty little habits back to Australia and stay there.
Ignazio
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by samiskim:
“Zippy Rules!. There are twp big difference between Zippy and Jason Gardiner and that is Zippy had talent and he was very entertaining. Unfortunately Gardiner has neither - he is a bully and no-one could accuse him of being a mugwump i.e. sitting on the fence with his mug on one side and his wump on the other. I just wish he would take himself and his poisonous gob and those nasty little habits back to Australia and stay there.”

Zippy would be proud sami - so very proud.
CarnabyDreams
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Jim Kowalski:
“No mention of Gardiner's disrespect of Ms Davies long experience in athletic performance and intimate knowledge of her own body and it's limitations.

I am not sure what disappoints me most,Gardiner's arrogant almost conceited views,or the defence of same by some in this thread ”

I have to agree with you and it leaves me stunned at how Mr. Gardiner doesn't see that all his nasty, horrid opinions he has about others, describes himself to a T! Also this being allowed to twitter whilst judging on a live show doesn't seem very professional to me... Hey ho, not that Mr Gardiner even knows what the word means.

... Can I just say, I am also realising that Mr Scofield himself is beginning to overstep the mark and thinks he is a cut above the rest of us... Shame on you Phillip there was a time I felt on the same level, now you make me feel like I need permission.

Last but not least, I am not a fan of Sharon and watching the show last week before she danced like most, thought she was wrong to change the music, however, I do not think Chris and Jane should have acted so hurt over something so trivial in all honesty. The whole show had a very large element and discomfort of, 'Lack of professionalism’ it is time the directors/producers really need to start taking charge, instead of the judges, presenters and skating advisors.
slappers r us
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Baby Girl:
“To be honest I don't blame him. She was very unlikeable, and arrogant. She deserved it, its not her place to change things.”

Originally Posted by blueabu:
“I think Jason was quite right in what he said tonight. And the others seemed to back him up. Let's finally face it. Sharon wanted an easy ride so that she didnt look too awful compared to the others, and it went pear shaped. End of.”

No matter what you think of Sharon It was disrespectful, childish and rude of Jason fro walking out and not shaking hands with Pavel

Pavel did not deserve Jasons rudeness
CarnabyDreams
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“No matter what you think of Sharon It was disrespectful, childish and rude of Jason fro walking out and not shaking hands with Pavel

Pavel did not deserve Jasons rudeness”


Neither of them (Sharon or Pavel) deserved Mr Gardiner’s rudeness, after all he is being paid to do a professional job, it is time they replaced this child for someone with true credentials...
number six
27-02-2010
It beggars believe that in these days of political correctness that Jason gets away with his obnoxious personal comments and his arrogant behaviour and no one at ITV seems to have the b***s to challenge him and put him in his place!
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