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Will Hayley be top of the leaderboard every week?
Taz93
26-02-2010
Or do you think someone else will overtake her? I think Danniella may do it this week....
-Sid-
26-02-2010
I don't think the gulf between Hayley and the others is as big as it was last year when Ray was head and shoulders above the rest.

It might actually work in her favour if she's not top of the table every week. I sense the audience tends to tire of that.

But I think it will be Gary that catches her, not Daniella.
d.tugby
27-02-2010
Yes I think she will be at the top for the next few weeks, but I think towards the finals Gary and Danniella will have caught up (if they're still there of course)
lach doch mal
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Taz93:
“Or do you think someone else will overtake her? I think Danniella may do it this week....”

Could be one of the boys, if their required element (jump) is better and the rest of the routine is nice as well.
rickster1995
27-02-2010
i hate it when shes allways at the top, im not saying she doesnt deserve it though. i just like change :P
Veri
27-02-2010
I would expect them to have someone else top soon, as an attempt to counter some of the criticism about how she's being marked. (Rather like Jason suddenly had Daniella above her last week, giving Holly an opportunity to say so it's not a one horse raise and for Jason to agree.)

Was even Ray always top?
sakose
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I would expect them to have someone else top soon, as an attempt to counter some of the criticism about how she's being marked. (Rather like Jason suddenly had Daniella above her last week, giving Holly an opportunity to say so it's not a one horse raise and for Jason to agree.)

Was even Ray always top?”

Ray was top every week (with the exception of girls week of course when he didn't compete ) and usually by quite a margin too!
lulu g
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I would expect them to have someone else top soon, as an attempt to counter some of the criticism about how she's being marked. (Rather like Jason suddenly had Daniella above her last week, giving Holly an opportunity to say so it's not a one horse raise and for Jason to agree.)

Was even Ray always top?”

You may well be right. I hope they don't do that, though. While it may be boring and predictable that Hayley is always top of the leaderboard, I wouldn't like them to alter it artificially, for reasons of 'good television'. On the other hand, if they don't give her top marks because they genuinely think another contestants (or more) has done better, I would welcome that.

I can't say for sure about Ray, but I would be surprised if there was a week when he wasn't clearly the best.
Amytigger
27-02-2010
I can confirm what Sakose has posted, that Ray was top every week he performed and usually by quite a margin too! I know because I have all his performances recorded and often watch them, usually to compare how he skated against the current celebs. The difference is astounding, and shows how very good Ray was. I am not surprised Robin said he could add "professional skater to his resume".
gagafan2010
27-02-2010
I think Daniella will catch up soon
Taz93
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by gagafan2010:
“I think Daniella will catch up soon”

Well she was 2.0 points behind Hayley last week!
Ignazio
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I would expect them to have someone else top soon, as an attempt to counter some of the criticism about how she's being marked. (Rather like Jason suddenly had Daniella above her last week, giving Holly an opportunity to say so it's not a one horse raise and for Jason to agree.)

Was even Ray always top?”

I think all judges agreed on Daniella's improvement - though I was a little bemused by Jason's reason for marking her higher than Hayley - "Hayley made a mistake, Daniella didn't."

So what was the aborted attempt to lift her for the float spin all about - if not a mistake?

If Hayley earns her place at the top, that's where she deserves to be. The same applies to everyone else left in the competition.
Sib69
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I think all judges agreed on Daniella's improvement - though I was a little bemused by Jason's reason for marking her higher than Hayley - "Hayley made a mistake, Daniella didn't."

So what was the aborted attempt to lift her for the float spin all about - if not a mistake?

If Hayley earns her place at the top, that's where she deserves to be. The same applies to everyone else left in the competition.”

my guess is that it wasn't actually daniella who made the mistake. it was her partner who couldn't lift her, she herself did nothing wrong. but i'm no expert, that's just what i got from it
-Sid-
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I think all judges agreed on Daniella's improvement - though I was a little bemused by Jason's reason for marking her higher than Hayley - "Hayley made a mistake, Daniella didn't."

So what was the aborted attempt to lift her for the float spin all about - if not a mistake?

If Hayley earns her place at the top, that's where she deserves to be. The same applies to everyone else left in the competition.”

Hello gorgeous

I thought I was the only one to spot that.

I like Daniella a lot, but I was slightly surprised by how high her scores were last week. Not necessarily because I was comparing her with Hayley or Gary but because I didn't see any huge improvement on what Daniella herself had done the week prior.

I'd like to see her pushed a bit more. She's more than capable.
Ignazio
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by Sib69:
“my guess is that it wasn't actually daniella who made the mistake. it was her partner who couldn't lift her, she herself did nothing wrong. but i'm no expert, that's just what i got from it”

Yet no such allowance was made when Dan dropped Hayley.

Quite odd - but not earth shattering.

Sid - xxx
Eejit
28-02-2010
They're competing as a pairing, so whoever makes the mistake, they should be marked down (if it justifies marking down, obviously). The girls wouldn't get the marks they do without the contribution of their partners, so they can't just pretend they don't exist when something goes wrong.
yellowlabbie
28-02-2010
Yes and it may have been Daniella's fault, perhaps she wasn't lying in the correct position for her partner to lift her?
Tissy
28-02-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I think all judges agreed on Daniella's improvement - though I was a little bemused by Jason's reason for marking her higher than Hayley - "Hayley made a mistake, Daniella didn't."

So what was the aborted attempt to lift her for the float spin all about - if not a mistake?

If Hayley earns her place at the top, that's where she deserves to be. The same applies to everyone else left in the competition.”

I was puzzled by Jason`s comment too

Then again it`s Jason !
Veri
28-02-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“...
If Hayley earns her place at the top, that's where she deserves to be. The same applies to everyone else left in the competition.”

Sure, if she earns it, she deserves it. That's almost, like, a tautology.

Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Yet no such allowance was made when Dan dropped Hayley.”

I thought the judges overlooked that too. Certainly a lot of people, including one of the Friday show guests, thought so.
Veri
28-02-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“...
I like Daniella a lot, but I was slightly surprised by how high her scores were last week. Not necessarily because I was comparing her with Hayley or Gary but because I didn't see any huge improvement on what Daniella herself had done the week prior.”

Aren't the marks supposed to be about what they do, rather than how much they've improved? Besides, they thought she did improve: in her performance. Last week was odd that way, since the routines seemed to be more about acting / performing than skating. I don't think it's very meaningful to compare them with earlier weeks.
Quote:
“I'd like to see her pushed a bit more. She's more than capable.”

I think several of them (perhaps including Hayley) aren't getting the best routines for developing and showing their skating. (Maybe this -- "jump week" -- will be different?)

Originally Posted by Eejit:
“They're competing as a pairing, so whoever makes the mistake, they should be marked down (if it justifies marking down, obviously). The girls wouldn't get the marks they do without the contribution of their partners, so they can't just pretend they don't exist when something goes wrong. ”

The same should go for the choreographers. (And indeed in the Olympics, the skaters - and not the choreographers - are explicitly marked on choreography.)

Yet a cry regularly goes up that Hayley (it most often seems to be Hayley) shouldn't be blamed for something or other because it's down to the choreographers.

One difference, though, I suppose, is that the Olympic skaters pick their choreographer and presumably have some say over what goes in, while in DOI it seems they have to be slaves to whatever T&D decide or else the show will do its best to ensure they're voted out.
Eviesmum
28-02-2010
Hayley dropped marks from both Karen and Robin for her fall when Dan dropped her.

Danniella dropped marks from Jason and possibly others (but he spoke), for the lift error at the end.

Personally I think that Hayley was overmarked last weekend and shouldn't have been top (she made a really bad mistake in her routine and ended up facing the wrong way).
TraceyUK
28-02-2010
Originally Posted by Eviesmum:
“Hayley dropped marks from both Karen and Robin for her fall when Dan dropped her.

Danniella dropped marks from Jason and possibly others (but he spoke), for the lift error at the end.

Personally I think that Hayley was overmarked last weekend and shouldn't have been top (she made a really bad mistake in her routine and ended up facing the wrong way).”

Hayley had a stumble and got marked down for it, Daniella screwed up and got a pat on the bakc and high marks!!
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