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Oh how quickly we forget...
It's barely five minutes since Emily was being slated for her woeful performances - she has a couple of half decent weeks and suddenly everyone's up in arms about Mikey staying in ahead of her. Okay, in a way it's a shame as, on the evidence of the last two weeks, Emily was starting to find her feet while Mikey definitely looks like he's lost his but it's a bit premature to start laying all the evils of the world at Mikey's (mislaid) feet just yet. He did have potential - has that really just gone down the toilet? Let's see what happens before we start blaming the poor guy for things that have yet to occur... |
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I think he should be gone next week...
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No problem disagreeing with me gazb2
, I enjoy a nice argument . However, are you seriously saying that Coleen was better than Mikey . I'm not saying he was good, but he has far more ability than Coleen and his routine was far more technical than any of Coleens ever. You astound me . There is having the ability...but if you can't show it off in the live shows, what is the point ?
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I'm just saying.....leaving Emily out of it, I think it's crazy that we nearly lost Daniella yesterday when somebody like Mikey is still in the competition. I'd MUCH rather watch Daniella than Mikey any day, and the fact that she is in the bottom 2 is crazy !!
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I think by week 8 Coleen was certainly on a higher score than 13.5 ?? And going by the performance last night, I'd much rather watch Coleen than that rubbish
There is having the ability...but if you can't show it off in the live shows, what is the point ? . I'm generally not going by the marks of previous years (e.g. I only look at them in the context of this year's competition). I also think they started to overmark Coleen last year, to avoid the sympathy backlash).With regards to Mikey, imagine the same thing (a fall before the show) happened to Hayley, and she performs really badly. Would you want her to leave because of that? Also, although I know lifts etc. and everything are difficult for the girls, if a boy has a fall and loses his confidence, he is not only responsible for himself, but also for his professional partner. The professional girls must worry quite a bit. I think that girls have a slight advantage there. Mikey probably was concerned (as was Kieron after his wobble) that he might drop his professional partner. |
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Well, there is no accounting for taste, is there
. I'm generally not going by the marks of previous years (e.g. I only look at them in the context of this year's competition). I also think they started to overmark Coleen last year, to avoid the sympathy backlash).With regards to Mikey, imagine the same thing (a fall before the show) happened to Hayley, and she performs really badly. Would you want her to leave because of that? Also, although I know lifts etc. and everything are difficult for the girls, if a boy has a fall and loses his confidence, he is not only responsible for himself, but also for his professional partner. The professional girls must worry quite a bit. I think that girls have a slight advantage there. Mikey probably was concerned (as was Kieron after his wobble) that he might drop his professional partner. BUT - if the exact same thing happened to Hayley, then it WOULD just be all down to the fall that upset her final performance, however we have seen evidence since week 1 of Hayley really going for it, and pulling off some cracking routines (and being top week after week after week) Mikey, on the other hand has had low scores, not been the best of skaters, not did a lot of lifts and looks really unsteady on the ice. At least Coleen could disguise this fact being being lifted, and having her male partner to hold on to. |
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Ok - your first point is fair.
BUT - if the exact same thing happened to Hayley, then it WOULD just be all down to the fall that upset her final performance, however we have seen evidence since week 1 of Hayley really going for it, and pulling off some cracking routines (and being top week after week after week) Mikey, on the other hand has had low scores, not been the best of skaters, not did a lot of lifts and looks really unsteady on the ice. At least Coleen could disguise this fact being being lifted, and having her male partner to hold on to. . I didn't mean to imply that this would happen to Hayley by the way. She has already shown that she is quite capable of picking herself up after a nasty fall during a performance, and to get on with it (the Mikey incidence should show people that her carrying on after her fall during the show was actually quite good). I just tried to get you to see it from Mikey's fans point of view. It probably sounds like people making a lot of excuses for Mikey, but he has had a rough time. I don't think we have seen the best of him yet. Maybe we will, maybe we won't. However, he has shown in some of his earlier routines that he is quite capable. |
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I disagree with you, how can it be premature when the show has been on for 2 months, and only 3 episodes left till the final ?? It's clear Mikey won't make a drastic improvement between now and then, and is certainly now the weakest skater in the competition. I think he should be gone next week...
Mikey does look to be going backwards and if he does so again this week (and I'm not holding my breath for a great routine) then, yes, he'll deserve to go and people can start feeling aggrieved. However, it hasn't happened yet and it may not do. It is possible that he could pull out a good routine on Sunday (as I said, I'm not holding my breath but it is possible) and it's also possible that if he doesn't, his support may collapse (unlikely but possible ). Why doesn't everyone wait and see before making OTT claims like Mikey being worse than Coleen or as bad as Dr Hilary and castigating him for crimes that have yet to be committed?
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Oh how quickly we forget...
It's barely five minutes since Emily was being slated for her woeful performances - she has a couple of half decent weeks and suddenly everyone's up in arms about Mikey staying in ahead of her. Okay, in a way it's a shame as, on the evidence of the last two weeks, Emily was starting to find her feet while Mikey definitely looks like he's lost his but it's a bit premature to start laying all the evils of the world at Mikey's (mislaid) feet just yet. He did have potential - has that really just gone down the toilet? Let's see what happens before we start blaming the poor guy for things that have yet to occur... I agree there's two problems at least at work because Daniella ought to have more votes in the same way as he should be nowhere near the top of the vote. That still leaves the problem though that Mikey seems immune from the dance off and from now on its going to be Kieron, Danny , Daniella, Gary or Hayley herself going before we find out who the competition to Hayley really is. |
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Yes,i agree with lach doch mal that we haven't seen the best of Mikey yet.He's got alot more to give & hopefully if things don't go wrong before the show again,he will deliver.His 2nd & esp his 3rd dance were great.That 3rd dance to Cecilia has been my dance of the series so far.Mikey has had his confidence knocked with falls & i just hope he can get back to where he should be on Sunday has he deserves to stay in longer.
Also,i like Danny,but for the last 2 weeks before yesterday,Mikey had higher marks than him. |
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Probably depends on how many reminders the public get that Mikey has hurt himself once the phone lines are up!
I like Mikey and although I think Emily was better than him, I doubt she'd have reached the final and she'd certainly knocked out plenty of skaters who were better than her by the time she left. However, unless he improves a lot, I'll be disappointed if it's not Mikey next time. Well Emily had improved significantly. Who knows how far she would have got. Last night she was up there close to the front runnners in my view |
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Oh how quickly we forget...
It's barely five minutes since Emily was being slated for her woeful performances - she has a couple of half decent weeks and suddenly everyone's up in arms about Mikey staying in ahead of her. Okay, in a way it's a shame as, on the evidence of the last two weeks, Emily was starting to find her feet while Mikey definitely looks like he's lost his but it's a bit premature to start laying all the evils of the world at Mikey's (mislaid) feet just yet. He did have potential - has that really just gone down the toilet? Let's see what happens before we start blaming the poor guy for things that have yet to occur... Well said..we still think & hope that Mikey gets to the final like he deserves to be. But that depends on whether he can sort himself out this week. Voted for him last night as he didn't deserve to go out due to injury adn we still find him to be one of the best skaters and entertaining performers. The best is yet to come from Mikey. |
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It's pretty clear after tonight that no matter how dismal Mikey is, he's likely to get through on the public vote. He's already knocked out one skater much better than him, in Emily, but which other ones do you think he'll mean we lose before he finally goes?
I see Gary and Danny as being at particular risk of being trampled by Dr Mikey and his legions of voters. But I think there's actually a real risk he might actually win the thing if he makes the final (which he probably will), and can rely entirely on the public vote. Even Colleen didn't manage that... ![]() If was a bit of a farce he is still there. He had injured himself but many of the others had. His perfomances have been consistantly poor. Emilly really raised her game last night and I would have rated her about fourth on that performance |
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What I meant by premature was that many people on this thread seem to be blaming Mikey for putting out better skaters. Imo he hasn't yet and it's a bit premature to blame him for something that may not happen. To say he hasn't improved since week 1 is a bit silly - his score last week and the week before was better than his week one score and his best score came in week 4. That score, incidentally, was 20.5 and it's better than anything anyone who was voted out before him could manage by 2 clear points.
Mikey does look to be going backwards and if he does so again this week (and I'm not holding my breath for a great routine) then, yes, he'll deserve to go and people can start feeling aggrieved. However, it hasn't happened yet and it may not do. It is possible that he could pull out a good routine on Sunday (as I said, I'm not holding my breath but it is possible) and it's also possible that if he doesn't, his support may collapse (unlikely but possible ). Why doesn't everyone wait and see before making OTT claims like Mikey being worse than Coleen or as bad as Dr Hilary and castigating him for crimes that have yet to be committed?I think wait and see what happens this week before castigating Mikey and his fans (I will admit, this includes me!) for what might happen. |
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Ok - your first point is fair.
BUT - if the exact same thing happened to Hayley, then it WOULD just be all down to the fall that upset her final performance, however we have seen evidence since week 1 of Hayley really going for it, and pulling off some cracking routines (and being top week after week after week) Mikey, on the other hand has had low scores, not been the best of skaters, not did a lot of lifts and looks really unsteady on the ice. At least Coleen could disguise this fact being being lifted, and having her male partner to hold on to. No Coleen could never disguise the fact she was absolutely rubbish at skating even with the benefit of being lifted and held up - she just had an army of rabid fans that voted for her in response to her begging on a daily basis for votes. Mikey is leagues ahead in terms of ability but has had a lot of problems and hasn't been able to fulfil his potential. And that fall was really nasty and very confidence sapping right before the show. I don't think he is potentially better than anyone left in, now that Danny has upped his game, so wouldn't mind if he went next week but he certainly deserved to be there up til now at least. |
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I think this is a bit premature. Emily hasn't been a fantastic skater up to now (quite a few people wanted her to go for quite a while now), although last night she was obviously clearly better than Mikey. I don't think he would be rescued every week, if he carried on in the same fashion. However, we don't know how he will perform next week.
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That's exactly my point. She could disguise it and the boys can't
. I didn't mean to imply that this would happen to Hayley by the way. She has already shown that she is quite capable of picking herself up after a nasty fall during a performance, and to get on with it (the Mikey incidence should show people that her carrying on after her fall during the show was actually quite good). I just tried to get you to see it from Mikey's fans point of view. It probably sounds like people making a lot of excuses for Mikey, but he has had a rough time. I don't think we have seen the best of him yet. Maybe we will, maybe we won't. However, he has shown in some of his earlier routines that he is quite capable. |
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I think if Mikey is dire again next week then I can't see him getting voted through continually - the floating voters wont through votes his way. Mikey had an exceptionally bad night yesterday and I think if he continues then he should be out.
However I dont think people can begrudge voters giving him the sympathy vote for 1 week. |
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Yes,i agree with lach doch mal that we haven't seen the best of Mikey yet.He's got alot more to give & hopefully if things don't go wrong before the show again,he will deliver.His 2nd & esp his 3rd dance were great.That 3rd dance to Cecilia has been my dance of the series so far.Mikey has had his confidence knocked with falls & i just hope he can get back to where he should be on Sunday has he deserves to stay in longer.
Also,i like Danny,but for the last 2 weeks before yesterday,Mikey had higher marks than him. |
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What I meant by premature was that many people on this thread seem to be blaming Mikey for putting out better skaters.
I rest my case... |
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Daniella was in the skate-off yesterday, and could easily have gone (she got 1 vote to leave!)
I rest my case... |
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Daniella fans should've voted for her then and she should've done a clearner skate in the SO as she was all over the place in certain moments
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Daniella fans should've voted for her then and she should've done a clearner skate in the SO as she was all over the place in certain moments
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Yes, she should have gone yesterday, Emily performed better on both occasions, it just shows how pointless the skate-off is.
But your right, Daniella was worst in the skate off, and if the rules were like Phillip says...she should have left. |
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Daniella was in the skate-off yesterday, and could easily have gone (she got 1 vote to leave!)
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, I enjoy a nice argument
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. I'm not saying he was good, but he has far more ability than Coleen and his routine was far more technical than any of Coleens ever. You astound me
There is having the ability...but if you can't show it off in the live shows, what is the point ?
. I didn't mean to imply that this would happen to Hayley by the way. She has already shown that she is quite capable of picking herself up after a nasty fall during a performance, and to get on with it (the Mikey incidence should show people that her carrying on after her fall during the show was actually quite good). I just tried to get you to see it from Mikey's fans point of view.