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Apple sues HTC declares war on Android
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cribology
02-03-2010
Apple is suing HTC over 20 patent infringements related to the iPhone's user interface, underlying architecture and hardware.

Apple complaints lists a number of specific HTC handsets as exhibits, including the Nexus One, Touch Pro, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro2, Tilt II, Pure, Imagio, Dream / G1, myTouch 3G, Hero, HD2, and Droid Eris. Running both Android and Windows Mobile, with and without Sense / TouchFLO. Android sets are specifically included because they run Android, while the WinMo sets are called out specifically for including DSP chips, not anything to do with Windows Mobile.

Apple is asking the court to place an injunction against HTC that would bar them from “making, using, selling and/or offering” phones that impinge on the patents in questions, within the United States.


The list is endless with generic patents like "Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interface For Determining Commands By Applying Heuristics" could apply to any touchscreen phone/watch/computer/tv etc... Thus shutting down creativity.

I for one side with HTC.



The ‘331 Patent, entitled "Time-Based, Non-Constant Translation Of User Interface Objects Between States," was duly and legally issued on April 22, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
The ‘949 Patent, entitled "Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interface For Determining Commands By Applying Heuristics," was duly and legally issued on January 20, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘949 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit B.
The ‘849 Patent, entitled "Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image," was duly and legally issued on February 2, 2010 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘849 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit C.
The ‘381 Patent, entitled "List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display," was duly and legally issued on December 23, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘381 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit D.
The ‘726 Patent, entitled "System And Method For Managing Power Conditions Within A Digital Camera Device," was duly and legally issued on July 6, 1999 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘726 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit E.
The ‘076 Patent, entitled "Automated Response To And Sensing Of User Activity In Portable Devices," was duly and legally issued on December 15, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘076 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit F.

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Last edited by cribology : 02-03-2010 at 17:26
fletchem
02-03-2010
this is getting ridiculous and will just result in a lot of lawyers getting very rich. It seems that everyone has infringed everyone else's patents.

I predict this thread will be two sided and run for 13 pages.
mattster1
02-03-2010
i never realized that apple invented touch screens? learn something new every day, they will need to sue all the existing tablets on the market as im sure the ipad has all the patents tied up bar multitasking.
cribology
02-03-2010
"The ‘381 Patent, entitled "List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display," was duly and legally issued on December 23, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘381 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit D."

Guess this rules out the Minority Report type touch screens, unless there made by apple.

HTC FTW
cribology
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by mattster1:
“im sure the ipad has all the patents tied up bar multitasking.”

United States Patent No. 5,519,867 entitled "Object-Oriented Multitasking System," issued on May 21, 1996…


Indeed there is an apple app (see patent) for that too. I only included 6 out of the 20 in my OP
mattster1
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by cribology:
“"The ‘381 Patent, entitled "List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display," was duly and legally issued on December 23, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘381 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit D."

Guess this rules out the Minority Report type touch screens, unless there made by apple.

HTC FTW”

aren't apple having the pants sued off them by nokia and counter sueing? i dont see how any of this is good for the customer, perhaps they shoud just let their product stand up on their merits rather than trying to sue away competition?
jokiethjones
02-03-2010
Christ, apple really needs to get a grip. They can hardly talk after they ripped pretty much everything on the iphone off from someone else.

Kodak and nokia anyone?

Also didn't HTC do touchscreen phones way before apple even though about them?

Anyway it wont happen. Apple are just trying the old 'my penis is bigger than yours' rubbish. No judge would uphold this at all.
mattster1
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by cribology:
“United States Patent No. 5,519,867 entitled "Object-Oriented Multitasking System," issued on May 21, 1996…


Indeed there is an apple app (see patent) for that too. I only included 6 out of the 20 in my OP”

lol they just need to implement it with their flash patent
cribology
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by mattster1:
“aren't apple having the pants sued off them by nokia and counter sueing? i dont see how any of this is good for the customer, perhaps they shoud just let their product stand up on their merits rather than trying to sue away competition?”

Yep, I had thought this had been settled out of court but, it is still ongoing.
Tom Joad
02-03-2010
The Jerusalem Post is reporting that Apple are being sued by Adam and Eve. Their claim is based on God charging them with naming all things on Earth and Apple have breached their patent on naming things.
ItJustMyOpinion
02-03-2010
and Gutenberg's descendants are suing every publisher in the world for copyright infringement.

They must find another way to print books , with out using either a printing press, ink or paper.

America is becoming a ridiculous country for innovation. How can you patent a touch screen?

There's no other way for some one to build a rival device without using one. Who's to say they didn't invent one completely separately.

Trademarks are fine and so is copy right, but patents are just ridiculous in the computer industry, especially with software.

They shouldn't be enforceable unless their are other ways equal or better for doing something.
linkinpark875
02-03-2010
Good on them.

The Nexus One is a Apple Iphone wanna be.

It's about time phone companies made something like there own rather than copy Apple. Give us some non touch phones for a change.
mattster1
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Good on them.

The Nexus One is a Apple Iphone wanna be.

It's about time phone companies made something like there own rather than copy Apple. Give us some non touch phones for a change.”

but wasnt the smart phone invented by ibm with the "simon" apple brought out a great product but certainly did not invent touchscreen phones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_phones
jokiethjones
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Good on them.

The Nexus One is a Apple Iphone wanna be.

It's about time phone companies made something like there own rather than copy Apple. Give us some non touch phones for a change.”

Copied apple?

So apple invented the touch screen did they? Did they invent cameras on phones did they? Invent the mobile phone period?

The list goes on really. It is in fact its apple who have copied everyone else.
Thine Wonk
02-03-2010
That's the reason why the Google Phone (nexus one) didn't have multitouch in the OS and left it up to the app developers if they wanted to infringe Apple's multitouch patent. Google have recently changed that, but I don't know what their thinking was.

Also the touch screen thing, not all touch screens are equal.

There are resistive and capacitive and the Apple technology is much better, it's the one that doesn't work if it's touched with anything else other than fingers, it's more more responsive and has multi touch.

I've tried some friends Nokia phones and the touch screens are awful, they don't feel anywhere near as nice as the Apple touchscreens.

That's why I'm getting an Ipad because the touch is just the best.
jokiethjones
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“That's the reason why the Google Phone (nexus one) didn't have multitouch in the OS and left it up to the app developers if they wanted to infringe Apple's multitouch patent. Google have recently changed that, but I don't know what their thinking was.

Also the touch screen thing, not all touch screens are equal.

There are resistive and capacitive and the Apple technology is much better, it's the one that doesn't work if it's touched with anything else other than fingers, it's more more responsive and has multi touch.

I've tried some friends Nokia phones and the touch screens are awful, they don't feel anywhere near as nice as the Apple touchscreens.

That's why I'm getting an Ipad because the touch is just the best.”

And to add apple didn't invent that tech either. They bought it from someone else.

My t mobile pulse has a capacitive touch screen and feels and works identical to the iphones. Capacitive touch screens are used on loads of phones.

I wont be getting an ipad simply because the tech is rubbish, no multitasking and stupidly limited.
Steve™
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by jokiethjones:
“Copied apple?

So apple invented the touch screen did they? Did they invent cameras on phones did they? Invent the mobile phone period?

The list goes on really. It is in fact its apple who have copied everyone else.”


I am glad Apple didnt invent the cameras on a phone - their camera is shit
jokiethjones
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“I am glad Apple didnt invent the cameras on a phone - their camera is shit”

Lol have to agree it is pants.
mattster1
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“That's the reason why the Google Phone (nexus one) didn't have multitouch in the OS and left it up to the app developers if they wanted to infringe Apple's multitouch patent. Google have recently changed that, but I don't know what their thinking was.

Also the touch screen thing, not all touch screens are equal.

There are resistive and capacitive and the Apple technology is much better, it's the one that doesn't work if it's touched with anything else other than fingers, it's more more responsive and has multi touch.

I've tried some friends Nokia phones and the touch screens are awful, they don't feel anywhere near as nice as the Apple touchscreens.

That's why I'm getting an Ipad because the touch is just the best.”

apple have the name multitouch tademarked but the tech is based on much older non apple stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
it may appear im anti apple which is not the case but you have to question this decision when steve jobs once said "good artists copy, great artists steal. we have allways been shameless about stealing other peoples ideas" source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

double standards?
mrkite77
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by jokiethjones:
“Copied apple?

So apple invented the touch screen did they? Did they invent cameras on phones did they? Invent the mobile phone period?

The list goes on really. It is in fact its apple who have copied everyone else.”

Not only that, but Apple didn't even invent Multitouch. Synaptics did. Synaptics *licenses* its multitouch technology to Apple.
Thine Wonk
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by mrkite77:
“Not only that, but Apple didn't even invent Multitouch. Synaptics did. Synaptics *licenses* its multitouch technology to Apple.”

No doubt at a huge cost, maybe that's the point? maybe they are saying to HTC you want it, you pay for it?
jokiethjones
02-03-2010
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“No doubt at a huge cost, maybe that's the point? maybe they are saying to HTC you want it, you pay for it?”

But how can apple possibly sue someone over something they don't own?

No doubt this all will get chucked out as soon as anyone with half a brain cell looks at it.
Steve™
03-03-2010
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“No doubt at a huge cost, maybe that's the point? maybe they are saying to HTC you want it, you pay for it?”

Thats not for Apple to say though, surely its down to Synaptics.

And anyway, how can you protect "pinch to zoom" etc...

Ok, so if the technology is stolen fair enough, but saying people cannot pinch their fingers to zoom on any device except his....Nuts

Originally Posted by jokiethjones:
“But how can apple possibly sue someone over something they don't own?

No doubt this all will get chucked out as soon as anyone with half a brain cell looks at it.”

The same way they have created this stupid iPhone fever...you tell people there is an app for every single eventuallity that might ever occur in life and that they need it...or gosh what will happen...and people buy into that.

Its the same with Apple computers, you make something that looks all white and rather like a bathroom tile and lo and behold people get all reverent around the thing....its bordering on scientology ffs

Oh and I wouldnt bet on it getting chucked out....somewhere in there will be an Apple device owner
Taylz
03-03-2010
I've patented the numbers 0-9 so im suing everyone
markrduk
03-03-2010
I think Apple is getting worried!

Android (especially when combined with HTC hardware) is the most promising challenge to Apple's mobile phone dominance yet!

And it's about time somebody put Apple in their place. I can't wait for somebody to wipe the smugness of Mr Job's creepy little face!
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