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Old 02-03-2010, 18:34
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By not allowing their records on spotify/napster etc are certain record labels supporting piracy?
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Old 02-03-2010, 22:56
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Old 02-03-2010, 23:27
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That post just sums up your contribution to this whole debate.

and OP, Trent Reznor supports it (aka his project Nine Inch Nails), and there is the Open Source labels, give'em a google.

They have made great transitions to digital media.
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Old 03-03-2010, 00:03
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Is that Trent Reznor who made his considerable amounts of money through the "old" model and can therefore afford to give his music away?

Never one to let the reality of things affect your dubious "points", are you?

Spotify is great for the "consumer", crap for artists/writers. They earn sod all from them. What's the incentive to buy the music if you can stream it whenever you want? The ads on Spotify aren't intrusive enough to warrant hardly anyone to become a paid subscriber.
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Old 03-03-2010, 00:09
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Nobody is going to buy an album if they've only heard one or two tracks unless they're a hardcore fan. And by not allowing albums avalible to stream bands won't exactly be gaining any new fans
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Old 03-03-2010, 00:17
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People have theories that some record labels leak songs or albums on purpose for promotion. How true that is I don't know.

The problem is that if an album can be streamed then the person can, within minutes, download the album. Piracy will always exist. I always preview an album before buying; I don't want to waste my money. It's not like a film. You can rent a film or watch it in the cinema before buying if you want to.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:07
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Either that or the don't want to sign new up & coming artists - because nobody will now the hell what they sound like.Does Warner Bros want to become a 'Classic' label from now on - it seems that way.All the Big Four labels seem to be reluctant to sign new acts.If you are a rock band at least - forget it (in UK anyway).
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:21
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Is that Trent Reznor who made his considerable amounts of money through the "old" model and can therefore afford to give his music away?

Never one to let the reality of things affect your dubious "points", are you?

Spotify is great for the "consumer", crap for artists/writers. They earn sod all from them. What's the incentive to buy the music if you can stream it whenever you want? The ads on Spotify aren't intrusive enough to warrant hardly anyone to become a paid subscriber.
Also the same Trent Reznor who made over $1,000,000 on his Ghosts I-IV album and live shows, he fully explains this on his website.

He basically went into HMV and was furious at the prices record labels were charging.

Trent put nine free tracks up on The Pirate Bay and Oink and basically said theres more if you want, but only will cost you $5 to purchase mp3s, there was also a deluxe version which he signed personally and artwork, they all sold out in under 24 hours, if you just want the 4CDs, that was $10 there was also other versions, which I don't recall.

There was no advertising or financial marketing backing involved, he joined Topspin Media under a pseudonym and obviously did him well.

Its simple, he offered his audience more online content and connected with his fanbase by Facebook/Twitter

People like the old grandpas are just worried for their jobs.

As a result of his success he gave his fans a free album, and now he's up to something again, so if you want to see how he does it, keep an eye on his website.

Oh and, he also has DRM free music, and a remix community where basically he allows fans to remix songs to how they wish, he also allowed fans to film his live shows with cameras/HD cameras/cameraphones, and they sent in the video files and he made a DVD out of it, theres also various clips that didnt make it lurking around.

Done.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:34
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Again, this is someone who made their name through all the usual promotional channels. This would not work for a new act. An act needs money behind them for promotion/marketing. That's what a label is for.

I'll let you get back to giving Trent that cyber reacharound.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:35
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Again, this is someone who made their name through all the usual promotional channels. This would not work for a new act. An act needs money behind them for promotion/marketing. That's what a label is for.

I'll let you get back to giving Trent that cyber reacharound.
This is where Topspin Media comes in
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