Do BT Vision need to start moving their a**es!?

freeview_nut · 03-03-2010, 15:19

Just wondered what you all think about BT in terms of their progression forward. I have been with Vision since the early days, but have become a little frustrated that the only really 'new' content made available are the pay per view films.

In my opinion, while back catalogues are great to add to a service, it isn't enough to carry the service forward.

I know that BT are supposedly waiting for the call from ofcom to force premium content onto the system at a reasonable price, but how long will this be? And what if you don't follow football, thus have no interest in Sky Sports? BT haven't mentioned about bringing Sky Movies along, which is also part of the ofcom consultation, neither have they mentioned whether such linear pay-tv channels may arrive.

Will the above ever happen? Is it a case that our countries broadband infrastructure just wouln't be able to cope with such pressure on the network? Do BT not think Vision is that important to them? If there reason not to do it is down to the potential cost for the customer, shouldn't that be our choice whether to buy or not?

Again, my opinion, but I feel that BT really need to do something extra and soon!

Whether you think the Sky player service is unreliable or not, it has now added Sky1 and will be adding Living and Bravo, as 'live' channels in the 'coming months'. If Sky can do it without QOS, shouldn't BT be able to with the security of a reliable delivery method?

Just wanted others thoughts on whether you feel BT are doing enough??

jam2000 · 03-03-2010, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeview_nut

Just wondered what you all think about BT in terms of their progression forward. I have been with Vision since the early days, but have become a little frustrated that the only really 'new' content made available are the pay per view films.

In my opinion, while back catalogues are great to add to a service, it isn't enough to carry the service forward.

I know that BT are supposedly waiting for the call from ofcom to force premium content onto the system at a reasonable price, but how long will this be? And what if you don't follow football, thus have no interest in Sky Sports? BT haven't mentioned about bringing Sky Movies along, which is also part of the ofcom consultation, neither have they mentioned whether such linear pay-tv channels may arrive.

Will the above ever happen? Is it a case that our countries broadband infrastructure just wouln't be able to cope with such pressure on the network? Do BT not think Vision is that important to them? If there reason not to do it is down to the potential cost for the customer, shouldn't that be our choice whether to buy or not?

Again, my opinion, but I feel that BT really need to do something extra and soon!

Whether you think the Sky player service is unreliable or not, it has now added Sky1 and will be adding Living and Bravo, as 'live' channels in the 'coming months'. If Sky can do it without QOS, shouldn't BT be able to with the security of a reliable delivery method?

Just wanted others thoughts on whether you feel BT are doing enough??

Sky player is awful, constant buffering!

gamercraig · 03-03-2010, 15:51

I just wish they would do a monthly subscription deal for their movies (not just the bland PictureBox)

johnson293 · 03-03-2010, 16:01

You lot want....

http://www.themoononastick.org/moonlogo.gif

dave1403 · 03-03-2010, 20:33

Moon on a Stick - Genius
I genuinely clicked on that

Been wondering myself why they can't do what Tiscali(TalkTalk) already do and IP Vision will be doing later this year in regards channels available however.....

I'm not overly concerned though, I'm an on-demand fanboy anyway (it's why I'm BTV rather than Sky).

I watch v little live TV so although I agree BT should be looking at providing a more exciting lineup but i'd prefer they spent money on O.D. program rights (perhaps on 1st run or exclusive content) directly rather than pay third party providers and the infrastucture to deliver them (only because I'd prob still have to record it)

noise747 · 04-03-2010, 07:36

i think BT is now waiting to see how this Project Canvas thing will do, since they have put money into it.
I don't think you will see much new happening on BTVision until then.

Saying that, what have Sky done over the last few years apart from stick some HD channels on and then they stick a £120 a year on for it.

Pure Genius · 04-03-2010, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

i think BT is now waiting to see how this Project Canvas thing will do, since they have put money into it.
I don't think you will see much new happening on BTVision until then.

Saying that, what have Sky done over the last few years apart from stick some HD channels on and then they stick a £120 a year on for it.

yes and millions pay it...willingly!

whats the theory on that then?

intercept · 05-03-2010, 15:55

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Originally Posted by gamercraig

I just wish they would do a monthly subscription deal for their movies

You might not have to wait too long...

stuntmaster · 05-03-2010, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by intercept

You might not have to wait too long...

whats that mean? they going to do one?

noise747 · 08-03-2010, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Genius

yes and millions pay it...willingly!

whats the theory on that then?

That they got more money then sense or that they think they getting something good for their £120 a year?

trxster3000 · 09-03-2010, 15:15

I ditched BTV a couple of months ago for faster broadband with Utility Warehouse, I was supposed to get 20MB but get 12MB at best (usually 7 or 8) which is only 1mb faster than what I had before.

The thing is that I do miss BTV and am looking forward to my contract ending with UW and I will almost certainly sign back up with BTV. When you consider what you get for the price there's nothing that comes close.

With the likes of Project Canvas and hopefully TVCatchUp (both in HD) they'll really have something to shout about.

wwwebber · 09-03-2010, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by trxster3000

I ditched BTV a couple of months ago for faster broadband with Utility Warehouse, I was supposed to get 20MB but get 12MB at best (usually 7 or 8) which is only 1mb faster than what I had before.

The thing is that I do miss BTV and am looking forward to my contract ending with UW and I will almost certainly sign back up with BTV. When you consider what you get for the price there's nothing that comes close.

With the likes of Project Canvas and hopefully TVCatchUp (both in HD) they'll really have something to shout about.

I've just been moved to the upto 20meg package with BT but cant test it because we're living in freinds loft while our house is refurbed !!.

And yes I miss BTV too - been very busy at weekends working on the house etc and with no BTV I have to rely on I have to use iplayer which is scratchy at best using wireless up in the loft !!.

noise747 · 09-03-2010, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by trxster3000

I ditched BTV a couple of months ago for faster broadband with Utility Warehouse, I was supposed to get 20MB but get 12MB at best (usually 7 or 8) which is only 1mb faster than what I had before.

I had a look at this Utility warehouse, but it is a strange thing, it is like a club, I also found out they use the Opal network, which is part of Carphone warehouse, so that put me off right away.

TBH, they are not that much cheaper than BT.
Looking at a few ISP's at the moment. One thing I did notice about the Utility warehouse is that it is only a monthly contract, whihc is strange considering that they use a LLU service.

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The thing is that I do miss BTV and am looking forward to my contract ending with UW and I will almost certainly sign back up with BTV. When you consider what you get for the price there's nothing that comes close.

I would not go that farm Bt is not cheap by any means, saying that they are not the most expensive either. It depends what you mean when you say what you get for the price?

To get vision to start with you need a broadband service, so if you don't have one or need one, that will cost you just under £16 a month for the minimum Bt broadband service, then BTV subscription on top.

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With the likes of Project Canvas and hopefully TVCatchUp (both in HD) they'll really have something to shout about.

You are dreaming, HD on broadband is a waste of time, on BTV now you have to download the HD content before you can watch it, and unless you get a good speed, you had it for HD on Canvas.

If anyone is going to go for BTV, I suggest they wait and see what will happen, if/when Canvas comes out, other wise they could end up paying for a box that could become obsolete. Ok, i know that BT is giving thr box away at the moment.

foxkilla · 10-03-2010, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

If anyone is going to go for BTV, I suggest they wait and see what will happen, if/when Canvas comes out, other wise they could end up paying for a box that could become obsolete..

As usual you are posting from a position of ignorance.

noise747 · 10-03-2010, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxkilla

As usual you are posting from a position of ignorance.

then tell me clever clogs, if Canvas to get the go ahead, how do you think you are going to access it using the boxes that are available now?

foxkilla · 10-03-2010, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

then tell me clever clogs, if Canvas to get the go ahead, how do you think you are going to access it using the boxes that are available now?

The existing boxes are quite capable of receiving canvas.

Of course this would not fit in with your usual hidden agenda!
:yawn::yawn::yawn:

Pure Genius · 10-03-2010, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxkilla

The existing boxes are quite capable of receiving canvas.

Of course this would not fit in with your usual hidden agenda!
:yawn::yawn::yawn:

reading his previous posts, his agenda is anything but hidden.

noise747 · 11-03-2010, 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxkilla

The existing boxes are quite capable of receiving canvas.

Are they, do you really know that? since the project is still in it's early days, no one really knows the specs of the project. Even if the box can cope with the content, will they be able to cope with any other service or feature that canvas will use?

I know that it is all software and software can be changed and updated, but since as far as I know no one knows what nww canvas boxes are going used as a O/S, they may be completely different.

Saying that, since Bt is also putting money into Canvas, I presume that they would make sure that their own service is compatible.

Wait and see i suppose, if it ever gets off the ground, not that I am ever going to have it, certainlynot with Talk Talk getting into it it.

Quote:

Of course this would not fit in with your usual hidden agenda!
:yawn::yawn::yawn:

so what is my hidden agenda?

wwwebber · 11-03-2010, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

Are they, do you really know that?

Trust me - he really does know so dont doubt him

noise747 · 11-03-2010, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Trust me - he really does know so dont doubt him

i am not doubting him, I just asked him a question and how do he know, do he work for Bt, or have he got something to do with the box?

wwwebber · 11-03-2010, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

i am not doubting him, I just asked him a question and how do he know, do he work for Bt, or have he got something to do with the box?

No and yes

noise747 · 11-03-2010, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

No and yes

Fair enough, but do he know the specs on Canvas?

wwwebber · 12-03-2010, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

Fair enough, but do he know the specs on Canvas?

As they say in the films - "I know nothing !!"

03-03-2010, 15:19	#1
freeview_nut Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Deal, Kent Posts: 258	Do BT Vision need to start moving their a**es!? Just wondered what you all think about BT in terms of their progression forward. I have been with Vision since the early days, but have become a little frustrated that the only really 'new' content made available are the pay per view films. In my opinion, while back catalogues are great to add to a service, it isn't enough to carry the service forward. I know that BT are supposedly waiting for the call from ofcom to force premium content onto the system at a reasonable price, but how long will this be? And what if you don't follow football, thus have no interest in Sky Sports? BT haven't mentioned about bringing Sky Movies along, which is also part of the ofcom consultation, neither have they mentioned whether such linear pay-tv channels may arrive. Will the above ever happen? Is it a case that our countries broadband infrastructure just wouln't be able to cope with such pressure on the network? Do BT not think Vision is that important to them? If there reason not to do it is down to the potential cost for the customer, shouldn't that be our choice whether to buy or not? Again, my opinion, but I feel that BT really need to do something extra and soon! Whether you think the Sky player service is unreliable or not, it has now added Sky1 and will be adding Living and Bravo, as 'live' channels in the 'coming months'. If Sky can do it without QOS, shouldn't BT be able to with the security of a reliable delivery method? Just wanted others thoughts on whether you feel BT are doing enough??

03-03-2010, 15:24	#2
jam2000 Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cambs Posts: 3,322	Quote: Originally Posted by freeview_nut Just wondered what you all think about BT in terms of their progression forward. I have been with Vision since the early days, but have become a little frustrated that the only really 'new' content made available are the pay per view films. In my opinion, while back catalogues are great to add to a service, it isn't enough to carry the service forward. I know that BT are supposedly waiting for the call from ofcom to force premium content onto the system at a reasonable price, but how long will this be? And what if you don't follow football, thus have no interest in Sky Sports? BT haven't mentioned about bringing Sky Movies along, which is also part of the ofcom consultation, neither have they mentioned whether such linear pay-tv channels may arrive. Will the above ever happen? Is it a case that our countries broadband infrastructure just wouln't be able to cope with such pressure on the network? Do BT not think Vision is that important to them? If there reason not to do it is down to the potential cost for the customer, shouldn't that be our choice whether to buy or not? Again, my opinion, but I feel that BT really need to do something extra and soon! Whether you think the Sky player service is unreliable or not, it has now added Sky1 and will be adding Living and Bravo, as 'live' channels in the 'coming months'. If Sky can do it without QOS, shouldn't BT be able to with the security of a reliable delivery method? Just wanted others thoughts on whether you feel BT are doing enough?? Sky player is awful, constant buffering!

03-03-2010, 15:51	#3
gamercraig Inactive Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,874	I just wish they would do a monthly subscription deal for their movies (not just the bland PictureBox)

03-03-2010, 16:01	#4
johnson293 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 1,243	You lot want.... http://www.themoononastick.org/moonlogo.gif

03-03-2010, 20:33	#5
dave1403 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 110	Moon on a Stick - Genius I genuinely clicked on that Been wondering myself why they can't do what Tiscali(TalkTalk) already do and IP Vision will be doing later this year in regards channels available however..... I'm not overly concerned though, I'm an on-demand fanboy anyway (it's why I'm BTV rather than Sky). I watch v little live TV so although I agree BT should be looking at providing a more exciting lineup but i'd prefer they spent money on O.D. program rights (perhaps on 1st run or exclusive content) directly rather than pay third party providers and the infrastucture to deliver them (only because I'd prob still have to record it)

04-03-2010, 07:36	#6
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	i think BT is now waiting to see how this Project Canvas thing will do, since they have put money into it. I don't think you will see much new happening on BTVision until then. Saying that, what have Sky done over the last few years apart from stick some HD channels on and then they stick a £120 a year on for it.

04-03-2010, 18:40	#7
Pure Genius Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: N.of Sheffield, S. of N'castle Posts: 265	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 i think BT is now waiting to see how this Project Canvas thing will do, since they have put money into it. I don't think you will see much new happening on BTVision until then. Saying that, what have Sky done over the last few years apart from stick some HD channels on and then they stick a £120 a year on for it. yes and millions pay it...willingly! whats the theory on that then?

05-03-2010, 15:55	#8
intercept Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 311	Quote: Originally Posted by gamercraig I just wish they would do a monthly subscription deal for their movies You might not have to wait too long...

05-03-2010, 23:57	#9
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by intercept You might not have to wait too long... whats that mean? they going to do one?

08-03-2010, 07:52	#10
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Pure Genius yes and millions pay it...willingly! whats the theory on that then? That they got more money then sense or that they think they getting something good for their £120 a year?

09-03-2010, 15:15	#11
trxster3000 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 113	I ditched BTV a couple of months ago for faster broadband with Utility Warehouse, I was supposed to get 20MB but get 12MB at best (usually 7 or 8) which is only 1mb faster than what I had before. The thing is that I do miss BTV and am looking forward to my contract ending with UW and I will almost certainly sign back up with BTV. When you consider what you get for the price there's nothing that comes close. With the likes of Project Canvas and hopefully TVCatchUp (both in HD) they'll really have something to shout about.

09-03-2010, 15:53	#12
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by trxster3000 I ditched BTV a couple of months ago for faster broadband with Utility Warehouse, I was supposed to get 20MB but get 12MB at best (usually 7 or 8) which is only 1mb faster than what I had before. The thing is that I do miss BTV and am looking forward to my contract ending with UW and I will almost certainly sign back up with BTV. When you consider what you get for the price there's nothing that comes close. With the likes of Project Canvas and hopefully TVCatchUp (both in HD) they'll really have something to shout about. I've just been moved to the upto 20meg package with BT but cant test it because we're living in freinds loft while our house is refurbed !!. And yes I miss BTV too - been very busy at weekends working on the house etc and with no BTV I have to rely on I have to use iplayer which is scratchy at best using wireless up in the loft !!.

09-03-2010, 22:42	#13
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by trxster3000 I ditched BTV a couple of months ago for faster broadband with Utility Warehouse, I was supposed to get 20MB but get 12MB at best (usually 7 or 8) which is only 1mb faster than what I had before. I had a look at this Utility warehouse, but it is a strange thing, it is like a club, I also found out they use the Opal network, which is part of Carphone warehouse, so that put me off right away. TBH, they are not that much cheaper than BT. Looking at a few ISP's at the moment. One thing I did notice about the Utility warehouse is that it is only a monthly contract, whihc is strange considering that they use a LLU service. Quote: The thing is that I do miss BTV and am looking forward to my contract ending with UW and I will almost certainly sign back up with BTV. When you consider what you get for the price there's nothing that comes close. I would not go that farm Bt is not cheap by any means, saying that they are not the most expensive either. It depends what you mean when you say what you get for the price? To get vision to start with you need a broadband service, so if you don't have one or need one, that will cost you just under £16 a month for the minimum Bt broadband service, then BTV subscription on top. Quote: With the likes of Project Canvas and hopefully TVCatchUp (both in HD) they'll really have something to shout about. You are dreaming, HD on broadband is a waste of time, on BTV now you have to download the HD content before you can watch it, and unless you get a good speed, you had it for HD on Canvas. If anyone is going to go for BTV, I suggest they wait and see what will happen, if/when Canvas comes out, other wise they could end up paying for a box that could become obsolete. Ok, i know that BT is giving thr box away at the moment.

10-03-2010, 10:15	#14
foxkilla Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 286	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 If anyone is going to go for BTV, I suggest they wait and see what will happen, if/when Canvas comes out, other wise they could end up paying for a box that could become obsolete.. As usual you are posting from a position of ignorance.

10-03-2010, 17:48	#15
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by foxkilla As usual you are posting from a position of ignorance. then tell me clever clogs, if Canvas to get the go ahead, how do you think you are going to access it using the boxes that are available now?

10-03-2010, 22:55	#16
foxkilla Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 286	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 then tell me clever clogs, if Canvas to get the go ahead, how do you think you are going to access it using the boxes that are available now? The existing boxes are quite capable of receiving canvas. Of course this would not fit in with your usual hidden agenda! :yawn::yawn::yawn:

10-03-2010, 23:04	#17
Pure Genius Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: N.of Sheffield, S. of N'castle Posts: 265	Quote: Originally Posted by foxkilla The existing boxes are quite capable of receiving canvas. Of course this would not fit in with your usual hidden agenda! :yawn::yawn::yawn: reading his previous posts, his agenda is anything but hidden.

11-03-2010, 07:33	#18
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by foxkilla The existing boxes are quite capable of receiving canvas. Are they, do you really know that? since the project is still in it's early days, no one really knows the specs of the project. Even if the box can cope with the content, will they be able to cope with any other service or feature that canvas will use? I know that it is all software and software can be changed and updated, but since as far as I know no one knows what nww canvas boxes are going used as a O/S, they may be completely different. Saying that, since Bt is also putting money into Canvas, I presume that they would make sure that their own service is compatible. Wait and see i suppose, if it ever gets off the ground, not that I am ever going to have it, certainlynot with Talk Talk getting into it it. Quote: Of course this would not fit in with your usual hidden agenda! :yawn::yawn::yawn: so what is my hidden agenda?

11-03-2010, 11:24	#19
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 Are they, do you really know that? Trust me - he really does know so dont doubt him

11-03-2010, 16:21	#20
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Trust me - he really does know so dont doubt him i am not doubting him, I just asked him a question and how do he know, do he work for Bt, or have he got something to do with the box?

11-03-2010, 16:45	#21
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 i am not doubting him, I just asked him a question and how do he know, do he work for Bt, or have he got something to do with the box? No and yes

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Do BT Vision need to start moving their a**es!?

11-03-2010, 17:23	#22
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber No and yes Fair enough, but do he know the specs on Canvas?

12-03-2010, 14:26	#23
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 Fair enough, but do he know the specs on Canvas? As they say in the films - "I know nothing !!"