Are you accusing her of deliberately lying?


So? A number of people publicly said they wanted to work with Morecambe and Wise, and they got invited to do just that. There's nothing wrong with saying you would like to do something - how are people going to know about it otherwise.


Do you? Have you any evidence of that, or is it just supposition on your part?
Why would she, unless she had a specific reason to, or interest in ice skating?
Daniel's been doing DOI, the tour and other things; she was an actress in Emmerdale, and I think released a CD when she left.
There probably wan't a lot of time for much else.

Do they actually audition the celebrities for DOI? I don't think Strictly does that.

Anyway, Haley was by no means that much better than some of the others at the start. Daniella was very much on a par with her, but whereas Haley has gone on to improve each week, Daniella has stagnated -- and if anything, she's actually gone backwards.

I think Danny is shaping up to be a strong contender for the title -- I just hope the public starts getting behind him and Frankie.

I would love to see a Haley-Danny-Keiron final.

I read today that Paul Burrell was auditioned for one series but his skating ability was so poor he wasn't asked to be in the programme. So, yes - there must be some form of minor audition I'd imagine.

Crikey - that means he must have been worse than Todd and Coleen!

Come on now - many zelebs have made known their desire to take part in SCD or DOI (remember Natalie C on SCD) - do you really think they take lessons on the off chance? And if she took lessons over 3 years surely she would confound her critics with some blinding solo skating.

Guess the ABH (anyone but hayley) bandwagon is gathering pace.

I didn't say lessons for three years straight but Hayley is a determined character. You can bet she's had a good few lessons. She's too skilled not to.

And I've already said I'm not on that bandwagon. Why can't people just accept that others will criticise Hayley without hating her guts? Her fans will be her downfall I guess.

Never thought you hate her my Irish friend - but where is the proof that she's had lessons?

Mikey's spin was pretty good - yet his overall performance failed to inspire - has he spent time in the past practising the spin?

Gary's skating skills are pretty impressive - has he too been training behind closed doors?

Why not assume that the playing field is even - then sit back and enjoy each performance, whilst hoping our own particular favourite delivers on the night?

Hayley's skating isn't the best of the bunch, as the panel have pointed out, but you'd expect it to be if she'd had skating lessons.

Forums do not exist for objectivity - how very dare you be so rational?

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No she couldnt skate. I remember reading that when she found out she was doing DOI she got on to suzanne shaw and Suzanne took her skating to try and teach her the very very basics before she started with the coaches. As I've said many times the technical difficulty of her skating is not all that high, it looks better than it is, it certaintly doesnt reflect someone with previous skating. Her performance skills are considerably stronger than her skating ones.

Whoever gets the best dancer would in those terms have an unfair advantage. I can't see any reason why Frankie deserves a win more than Dan - there is no logic that losers should win- everyone doesn't get a gold star for turning up. I can't see any reason for Danny winning. He's improved into the low 20s but thats hardly worth a star of any colour when he can't act or lift much and still hasn't produced a good routine let alone an outstanding one. He's actually probably the weakest left - Gary skates better, Kieron acts better, Daniella has scored higher and Hayley is miles ahead on ability.

Not sure whats wrong with Daniella. Its largely getting poor routines but there may be an age factor too - there's very good reasons why you have tennis players and athletes who can still compete at 32 but only a very few carry on until they are 36.

I quite liked Danniella's routine this week. I just didn't like the way she carried it out. Her required element, for instance, was the weakest of the group. And she'd lost her usual sparkle when trying to sell her character and the story.

I think fatigue and wear and tear on the body has got the better of Daniella to be honest. She looks done in. She's run out of steam. And I don't blame her.

She hasn't the stamina to compete with the others anymore.

I didn't think it worked - there wasn't much story to follow, it needed a more dynamic routine and what there was someone killed by getting her into those carrying lifts early on. Is that because she needs carrying or she's too tired to move herself or she's injured or they can't think of anything she can do for 30 seconds or because as someone suggested they just lifted a bit from an early Emily routine to fill time? Same with the spin - nerves or tiredness or trying to get the rest of the routine right? She's not the only one going backward or stuck but she doesn't seem to have been moved on to the next stage after getting her 24 - you wonder if they have tried or not? Did they give up when she wasn't of interest for the tour? Nice to see her with a really good music choice and routine and lets see if she can do it. I wouldn't be surprised if they give her the table or the chair though - which both tend to be useless props.

Although I agree with you in part, there are lots of 36 year olds that are more fit than 32 year olds or even 23 year olds.. (I personally think Hayley was fitter and more toned than Emily). I think it depends on your overall fitness and what you have done up to that point. I wonder (and this is not a criticism but a medical point), if Daniella's ealier history has left her in a less fit state than she could be otherwise at 36.

I don,t recollect Mikey doing much skating. He was clearly the least skilled skater and spent most of the time on the ice or wobbling around it.

I think if Hayley wins it'd be a fair reflection of the series so far. I wouldn't be jumping for joy or anything, but I'm certainly not against the idea.

And her skating isn't so confident that I'd suspect her of previous experience. Plus, to be honest, I wouldn't care even if she had previous experience, as long as she was watchable.

They definately audition people. My friend was skating at Lee Valley in August and she saw several people with Karen Barber. 2 of whom aren't on the show and 1 who is the male sub.

Definitely not in the "anyone but Hayley" camp - but i am getting visions of Bonnie in series 1 with her. Can do no wrong with the judges and gets high marks week after week.

I don't think she's had much (if any) skating experience before this, but what she does have in spades is oodles of DANCE experience (just like Bonnie) and copes with getting into, holding and getting out of lifts smoothly, and hold poses and shapes as well as being able to give a performance.

She turns in a fabulous performance week after week, but a lot of her flashier moves are done standing still or on toepicks allowing that dance experience to come through. I don't think her basic skating is actually as strong as Gary's is - but she sells her routines like he can't! That said - her Jai Ho! routine was absolutely fantastic and she deserved her marks and to be top of the leaderboard.

I still think she is given better routines and music than some of the other contestants are though. The choreography she has been given so far allows her to shine and perform more than some of the others can. Hayley was given fast exciting music and a routine based on graceful poses and skating (holding hands with Dan) on her own.

Daniella on the other hand was given a slowish piece of music, and a routine which consisted mainly of lifts, but without any "flashy" moves to allow her to shine. Danny was given one which seemed to have him doing nothing but shadow box while Frankie whizzed around him, and Maria disguised a lot of Gary's shortcomings with her performance... Kieron was the only other person who got a really memorable routine to do.

Of all of them Gary is the best skater and Hayley is the best performer... Kieron has both elements but to a much lower level than they do. I don't really have a particular favourite who gets me to pick up the phone.. but if Kieron gets to the final he will be the one I do vote for.

Kieron has said specifically that a bunch of people from Hollyoaks were auditioned for DOI this year, with him being the one who was then offered a place.

I suspect some of the higher profile people, like Heather Mills, probably go through a quite different process though. With them it will more just be about ensuring they can be reasonably safe on the ice, and will at least be able to perform in some way for the time period.

Obviously they want some crap people too - they need a mix. Preferably a mix that will bring in lots of viewers from across all ages. They'll be looking for TV appeal just as much as skating ability.

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They really don't come any more desperate (for a win) than Frankie

Which begs the question, why do people keep insisting she is. She's the best performer certainly. But she isn't the best skater.

Because Jayne and Chris have said she is ... and that's the only opinion I need.

I didn't notice that they had?

I thought the general consensus was that Gary was the superior skater...