I think any Cybermen that come back, regardless of their planet of origin, will look more like the Cybus ones than the Mondas one. Actors in a hard "shell" not a flexible suit.

maybe a smoosh between the two? Mondas cybermen which are chunky and say delete sometimes but are as advanced as the Mondas ones and they say 'Excellent'. But not so chunky like the cybus ones, but they still stomp when they walk but more 'flexible'.

If anyone has heard the paul mcgann audio with the cybermen (human resources i think) they stomp like the new series but sound like the old series. A perfect mix!

It's worth noting we do not know whether we will see them in series 5 or not.

post not showing. And I bet we do see 'em.

I wonder if we will see them at xmas 2010

That is brilliant I would love to be Tony Stark.... Baring the addiction to booze

I would like to see the Mondas Cybermen make a return, maybe without the plastic golf balls & spray painted boots though haha!

This-as ressurected in the DWM strip Junk Yard Demon.

What worked for me about the original voices was that the INflecTION was IN all THE wrong PLAces. It made it sound totally artificial and much more lacking in any kind of emotional content. By contrast, the Cybermen post Revenge seemed to be recognisably human in their attitudes-look at the seemingly immortal Cyberleader's constant fist shaking to illustrate his point and that gravelly 'excellent' of his. Hardly unemotional. I guess the Tomb version wasn't bad, but I found it a little irritating trying to decipher what they were saying through the buzzing.


The gold weakness was logical to begin with but was taken to ridiculous extremes so that it effectively became like garlic to a vampire, with no rationale behind it. Thank God that's gone.

That's exactly what I think works so well about the original cybermen too. I have only seen clips of those ones, but I found the way they spoke really creepy. In contrast, the new cybermen may have robotic sounding voices, but the actual way they speak just sounds like a human and isn't actually very scary.

interestingly I might like to see a new breed, perhaps based on the Cybermen that John Steed and Emma Peel faced in the Avengers (thread slippage as Alex Lester might say) . But which ever way it goes, enough of the stomping already please.

Those guys were Cybernauts, not Cybermen-a nice design, but really just robots all the same. Though, like the Cybusmen, they did have a wheelchair bound creator...

They did, didn't they? And wasn't it Michael 'Celestial Toymaker' Gough?

As did the Daleks, come to think of it.

It was indeed.

I don't think the Cybermen (Classic or new Series) have ever realised their true potential on screen. They have been far more sinister in the comics, audio adventures and on-line adventures. So to be fair to all the producers of Who they must be very hard to put on screen. They must, however, reclaim the ground taken by the Borg in Star Trek

Can they bring back Mrs Hartigan but as her granddaughter and on this earth that be interesting inventing new cyber people sad but Moffatt is dark enough to do something good ax:yawn:

I'd really like to see the original Mondas/Telos Cybermen return. I'm not so bothered about what they'll look or sound like, what interests me is how they might have developed since their last (dreadful) appearance. They already had space fleets and limited time travel, what might they be capable of now?

It must be said though, that from a design point of view the Borg are by far the best embodiment of the Cybermen concept. (I don't mean the best ever in all media, I just mean better than either the Cybus or Mondas versions. You take one look at a Borg and you don't need to be told it's clearly a human(oid) with much of their organic parts replaced or augmented with cyber-parts.

The Borg fell down, of course, in the same way most recurring monsters do - they're first presented as omnipotent, impossible to kill or destroy. Then the hero(es) find a fatal flaw that defeats them. And then they keep coming back and being defeated, which kills the suspense somewhat.

That's a big argument for bringing back the Mondas Cybermen or their descendants. The passage of time means they can have all new skills and goals, without their known weaknesses.

Yes I agree. Very well put

My Mum still thinks the Cybermen crossed over from Doctor Who to The Avengers back in the 60s...

Since she wasn't really a big fan of Who but loved the Avengers, it's not surprising really...

Which came first? - The Cybermen or the Cybernoughts. It's all very well me saying that Star Trek ripped off Who with the Borg but maybe Who did the same with The Avengers.

Cybernauts 16 October 1965 (imdb)
Cybermen 8 October 1966

I found the whole Cybernauts episode on youtube if anyone is curious.

Cheers and I may well look them up on youtube. They were very close then in apperances. Maybe created at the same time??

It's a year apart - guess you missed the last digit of the year.

I have no idea how close in conception they were to the Cybermen. Obviously the idea of humanoid robots or robotised humans is a pretty common in science fiction and fantasy. From the synopsis I read, they don't sound like they have a lot in common.

The sequal story though, sounds a bit more Cybermannish.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0516880/plotsummary


Beresford was played by Peter Cushing. That "kindly old inventor" never fooled me. He clearly stole that TARDIS!