Cheeky. Would the Avengers story have been broadcast before the Cybermen were created . I suppose I am getting too deep anyway. All sci fi is relative and one could go back to Metropolis in 1927. A not dissimilar premiss. I will check out the 'Cybermannish' Avengers story on youtube though. Clearly they ripped this of... oh here I go again

I'd like to see the Cybermen fail in their conversions like they did in "Cyberwoman" - the only redeeming feature of that episode! - with parts sticking out of victims a la Borg.

I think seeing John Lumick have an encounter with the mondasian cybermen and giving him an idea would be a great storyline

I wouldn't think they were writing that far in advance back then, but who knows? The first version of the Cyberman look doesn't strike me as something they spent months developing. It amazes me a bit that the same team that gave us the Daleks and original TARDIS interior, both of which were pretty darn good for 1963, also gave us Cyberman costumes that looked like something a mum would make for her child who wanted to dress up as a robot.

Certainly they had plenty of time to change things if they thought it was too similar. But it's always worthwhile keeping in mind that no one working in television at the time thought they were creating anything terribly important or lasting. If you told them people would be discussing their work 45 years later they'd say you were daft.

Those children of Sydney Newman were always a bit incestuous. Take 'From Venus with Love', the first colour Avengers episode, where Jon Pertwee plays a Brigadier (with beret and moustache) in a story involving a plastic humanoid dummy and a suspected alien invasion.

I love that one! He's lurking in his house playing war games while recording his memoirs with the aid of sound effects records on innumerable gramophones, yes? The Avengers was a very odd show, at times...

Yes, and when colour came in it only got odder.

I dont like the cybermen themselves but the stories around them are very good , I liked John Lumic and he was played brillantly by Roger LLoyd Pack or trigger ax

Oh, I wouldn't go that far! There's nothing very odd about a society of circus clowns acting as hit men, for instance. Er...is there?


I don't think you're actually meant to like them as people, to be honest...

Not in my neighbourhood.

On the subject of new Cybermen designs, has anyone seen this :-

http://www.petermckinstry.com/USERIMAGES/who2%2010.jpg

I discovered this guy's site recently, it's full of amazing Doctor Who (& other) concept art. The alternative 'Victory of The Daleks" concepts are great too.

I think they should bring back the old Cybermen from Mondas and update them so that they look more modern. They should then clash with the Cybus Cybermen.
Although, judging by what we've seen in series 6 so far, the Mondas Cybermen look exactly the same to the Cybus Cybermen, except they don't have a "C" on their chest armour.