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Whcich pros will be (not) be back for series 8?
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SeasideLady
12-03-2010
Is Camilla coming back in this year ? I wouldn't be bothered about her returning,and the same goes for Matt Cutler. Out of the new girls I didn't care much for Aliona. I think Anton should stay and keep Erin company. Happy with all the rest coming back.
Mystical123
13-03-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“She did some of the choreography of the pro dances last series- I think she did the Sweet Charity routine, and the 'One Night Only' one. Now the Sweet Charity one I thought was excellent, but One Night Only was way too flashy for me. And of course we had gusset-gate, then and in the Bolero as well.

As regards choreographing for celebs, well we know she's not good at choregraphy for weak celebs! Maybe if she gets a stronger one this year it will be better, but somehow I fear it will just end up being a lot more gusset...

I'm not really a fan, if it's not obvious!”

Sweet Charity is in my top 5 pro dances ever, so if that was Kristina it was impressive, although it was also down to how Flavia and Vincent, Ola and James and Aliona and Matt especially performed it, fabulous dance overall.

One Night Only I agree with you about, and the Bolero didn't overly impress me.

I would like to see what she'd do with a good celeb, but she's on her last chance I think - if she comes back and isn't good this year that may be her out. Then again, she is on the pro tour, but whether or not that is an indication of popularity remains to be seen - Anton, Erin, Darren, Lilia, Brendan and Katya all have busy schedules at the same time so didn't need the tour.
La Triviata
13-03-2010
When Len Goodman was on Alan Titchmarsh's show earlier this year he agreed that 16 couples was too many for the audience to engage with and said there woudn't be so many again. Early on the pros changed with every series and I think the BBC made a mistake in keeping the same dancers after series 4.

I'd miss Erin, but I really felt that she was given Austin to partner as a "thank you but goodbye" present and last series she was on borrowed time. Anton has to go - he is not funny, he can't/won't do Latin and it's not a coincidence that he's been partnered by a series of women who were crippled by nerves. I'm not sure why Brendan's still there - too many viewers have never forgiven him for the way he treated Sarah/Fiona/Claire and any celebrity partnered by him starts off at a disadvantage. I would assume that Ola, Natalie and Brian, and therefore James, Ian and Kristina are safe for next year and probably Vincent and Flavia, as they're so versatile. The others I don't know about.
durnovarian
13-03-2010
Originally Posted by La Triviata:
“When Len Goodman was on Alan Titchmarsh's show earlier this year he agreed that 16 couples was too many for the audience to engage with and said there woudn't be so many again.”

"wouldn't" or "hoped there wouldn't"? - There's a world of difference, and it seems unlikely he'd reveal something like that so early.
Daisy19
13-03-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“She did some of the choreography of the pro dances last series- I think she did the Sweet Charity routine,”

Did she really? i loved that one so that is a surprise
Sparkle_Pink
13-03-2010
I wouldn't mind Anton not coming back. i do like him but his latin is dodgy so he can never really have a good all rounder.
Wasn't overly keen on Aliona but would be happy for her to come back for one more year to see what she can do.
I like all the rest so would be disappointed to lose any of them.
SideshowStu
13-03-2010
I think if they do go back to having 12 couples, who stays and who goes will be a good indicator of how much life the beeb thinks is left in the show. If they're thinking long-term then it would make sense to lose some 'old-stagers' so the new pro's can establish themselves imo. However, If the beeb only envisage one or two more series then I think it's more likely they'll stick with their 'resident' pro's...
rickster1995
14-03-2010
I think there should be 14 couples, they don't want to cut it down too much. 14 is an way number and it's a good ammount of shows without being too much
MaryS
14-03-2010
I just hope Brendan is still there,i wouldn't watch if he wasn't
katie_p
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Daisy19:
“Did she really? i loved that one so that is a surprise ”

Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Sweet Charity is in my top 5 pro dances ever, so if that was Kristina it was impressive, although it was also down to how Flavia and Vincent, Ola and James and Aliona and Matt especially performed it, fabulous dance overall.

One Night Only I agree with you about, and the Bolero didn't overly impress me.

I would like to see what she'd do with a good celeb, but she's on her last chance I think - if she comes back and isn't good this year that may be her out. Then again, she is on the pro tour, but whether or not that is an indication of popularity remains to be seen - Anton, Erin, Darren, Lilia, Brendan and Katya all have busy schedules at the same time so didn't need the tour.”

Maybe I got it wrong about Sweet Charity, but looking back, Brian and Kristina were front and centre throughout, which is normally a good indicator of who the choreographer was. I seem to remember at the time someone said Kristina choreographed it, but perhaps I've imagined that.
josar22
14-03-2010
As long as Darren and Lilia are in strictly I'm happy, as they make the show for me and I really wouldn't bother to watch anymore if they left.
TBH I don't really want any of the pro's to leave this year as there has been so many new ones already !
FunkyFoxtrot
14-03-2010
I wouldn't be bothered if Aliona, Anton, Natalie and Brendan don't return.
Mystical123
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Maybe I got it wrong about Sweet Charity, but looking back, Brian and Kristina were front and centre throughout, which is normally a good indicator of who the choreographer was. I seem to remember at the time someone said Kristina choreographed it, but perhaps I've imagined that.”

I've just rewatched it (again ) and I think you're right. Flavia's wearing the standout dress, but the choreography doesn't seem like something she and Vincent would do, plus they didn't get a solo spot, which is always telling. Brian and Kristina were always centre - start and finish too - and had the last solo spot (although it was awful compared to the others!). My guess is most of the choreography was possibly Brian, with Kristina's help.
katie_p
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I've just rewatched it (again ) and I think you're right. Flavia's wearing the standout dress, but the choreography doesn't seem like something she and Vincent would do, plus they didn't get a solo spot, which is always telling. Brian and Kristina were always centre - start and finish too - and had the last solo spot (although it was awful compared to the others!). My guess is most of the choreography was possibly Brian, with Kristina's help.”

I watched it quite a few times trying to work out if it was meant to be like that (why?) or if they screwed up really badly. It was very odd!

It would make more sense to me as Brian's choreography, for some reason I did think it was Kristina though
Daisy19
14-03-2010
I'm always rewatching the pro dances on Youtube, glad i'm not the only one

The Sweet Charity one is where Kristina flicks her head alot, i find it very irritating.
Fudd
15-03-2010
I'd drop Anton, Erin (but offer them both places on the panel, in the place of Alesha and Len), Brian and Aliona. Pair Matthew up with Kristina.

Anton has too many gaffes and is weak at affes. I don't think Erin would remain dancing in the show without him. Brian's choreography doesn't thrill or interest me in any way. It's a it harsh on Aliona, but I don't think she's able to develop her celebrity in the right way.
katmobile
15-03-2010
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'd drop Anton, Erin (but offer them both places on the panel, in the place of Alesha and Len), Brian and Aliona. Pair Matthew up with Kristina.

Anton has too many gaffes and is weak at affes. I don't think Erin would remain dancing in the show without him. Brian's choreography doesn't thrill or interest me in any way. It's a it harsh on Aliona, but I don't think she's able to develop her celebrity in the right way.”

I wouldn't make Anton a judge either as I'm not convinced he knows enough about latin to be credible. Watch the commentary he does for series five especially for Mattesha's ccc and Mavia's salsa - those were without question the best two latin dances of that series and yet he doesn't seem impressed by them. Erin on the other hand I think would be a wonderful judge and the two expert commentaries she did were quite informative. Anton would make a good presenter with a bit more experience.
bobbla
15-03-2010
I'm not particularly bothered if Natalie, Aliona or Katya are back but thats just because they are new. If i could only keep one of them it would be Katya.

Lilia and Darren are practically invisible these days so they could go. I like James but not as keen on Ola so if she went i suppose he'd go too (same for Erin and Anton, i like her, not him so much). I used to really like Ian but he irritated me a bit last series so i don't think i'd miss him - they're unlikely to let him go though as they need him for the tall celebs.

As long as Brian and Matthew are back along with Flavia and Vincent i don't think i'd lose any sleep over any of the others.
josar22
15-03-2010
Originally Posted by bobbla:
“I'm not particularly bothered if Natalie, Aliona or Katya are back but thats just because they are new. If i could only keep one of them it would be Katya.

Lilia and Darren are practically invisible these days so they could go. I like James but not as keen on Ola so if she went i suppose he'd go too (same for Erin and Anton, i like her, not him so much). I used to really like Ian but he irritated me a bit last series so i don't think i'd miss him - they're unlikely to let him go though as they need him for the tall celebs.

As long as Brian and Matthew are back along with Flavia and Vincent i don't think i'd lose any sleep over any of the others.”

Which is exactly why they need to come back with half decent celebs to remind people just how fab they really are !

BENNETT DOMINATION 2010 !!!

p.s I've also got my fingers crossed for Flavia as she's my third favorite pro and I think she's been given a fair few duds along the way !
Lolly_Du_Beke
15-03-2010
I would happily see Natalie go.... didn't like her.

I would storm the BBC with guns ablazing if they dropped Anton. I love him so much!!! And I think his latin is brilliant.... maybe not the best on the show - they still have Darren and Lilia who are the best ever at latin - but I think Anton is a great all rounder - and very funny - and definatley the best looking!!! How can they cut the ballroom king???
alexgr
16-03-2010
Anton's Latin is substandard - several celeb males are better at Latin than Anton. His Ballroom is excellent, but he is not an all rounder in any sense. - his Latin is far weaker than the Ballroom by the Latin specialists.

Looks, of course, are subjective- though I'm not sure many (if any) will agree with your opinion of Anton being the best looking male pro.
Strictly_Irish
16-03-2010
Originally Posted by josar22:
“Which is exactly why they need to come back with half decent celebs to remind people just how fab they really are !

BENNETT DOMINATION 2010 !!!

p.s I've also got my fingers crossed for Flavia as she's my third favorite pro and I think she's been given a fair few duds along the way !”

Exactly! Of course they're invisible, they keep getting the old ones (no offence.)

Give them a chance! & also agree about Flavia.
Mystical123
16-03-2010
Originally Posted by Lolly_Du_Beke:
“I would happily see Natalie go.... didn't like her.

I would storm the BBC with guns ablazing if they dropped Anton. I love him so much!!! And I think his latin is brilliant.... maybe not the best on the show - they still have Darren and Lilia who are the best ever at latin - but I think Anton is a great all rounder - and very funny - and definatley the best looking!!! How can they cut the ballroom king???”

Because he is just that - good at ballroom and nothing else. His Latin is sub-par, and Laila outdanced him when they did the Charleston. When there are the likes of Matt Di Angelo and Ricky Whittle who are good at Latin, Anton looks amateurish next to them, and that's not what the professionals are there to do.

All the Latin specialists (Darren, Lilia, James, Ola, Matt, Ian etc.) are more than passable ballroom dancers, and some manage to make their ballroom routines at least look impressive even if they're not technically as good as ones which Erin or Anton would choreograph. The difference is in Latin pro dances Anton and Erin are always shown up, whereas in ballroom ones the others blend in. Natalie can do both, so it's not impossible to be a ballroom professional who's good at Latin, but Anton isn't one of them.

And the bit about best-looking is so subjective, it doesn't matter at all. I for one certainly don't agree with you - I'd put James and Brendan top and Anton at the other end of the list!
alexgr
16-03-2010
I'd say Erin's Latin is passable too (it's certainly far better than Anton's, and she at least takes it seriously). - when there are male celebs better at Latin than you, you know you're in trouble. The only half decent Latin choreography Anton has produced was Laila's Paso (even though it had lifts in)
Mystical123
16-03-2010
Originally Posted by alexgr:
“I'd say Erin's Latin is passable too (it's certainly far better than Anton's, and she at least takes it seriously). - when there are male celebs better at Latin than you, you know you're in trouble. The only half decent Latin choreography Anton has produced was Laila's Paso (even though it had lifts in)”

Oh I agree about Erin, she's done some good Latin routines in the past, but in the group numbers when she's with Anton she does get shown up, and it's not really her fault. Their solo spots don't look as good as the rest, and their lifts are just awkward in Latin, but again not a lot Erin can do about that...
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