I thought I would pay you the courtesy of reviewing your long post again to see if there were any valid points .(as you had spent so long writing it)


And no-still cannot see anything true here.

If I met someone who said the sky was green and the grass was blue and they kept on saying it I guess I would try to ignore them after a while.

A few little points

-Clearly it was Jade who did all the serious bullying in BB3 with her accomplice Tim. And it was directed toward Sophie just when Soph was at her most vulnerable after Lee had left and she most wanted a few friendly days to get over her sadness.(The other incidents of bullying –some directed against Kate by other HM’s was very minor ,I have to say, compared with what Sophie suffered).What was shown on the highlights reflected what I saw live on E4.
-when Kate with some shocked bemusement found out that time at breakfast what Tim and Jade were saying she tried to act as a go-between to at least try to get them talking across the divide in the knowledge that that would be the most likely way of solving the problem. Whether through her efforts-she was still fond of Jade and Tim at the time (and probably still is)as well as Sophie-or for whatever other reason in the last few days of Sophie being in the house they did all at least talk and make up to a certain extent. Kate never I believe was sufficiently involved in what was being said to react any more strongly-she never saw the live feed-which she might have done if she had known.


-you seem to be alleging that Kate is a “homophobe”-a potentially libellous accusation but I will let it go if you did not actually mean that. I know you did not watch Ri:se but if you had you would realise how wrong that is. Some of Kate’s best mates are gay-both boys and girls I believe and someone of that nature would not have so many respected friends in the entertainment world.
- you allege it in the context of Alex who is not gay and who was not believed to be so in any case by Kate-who clearly said so anyway when some of the boys were hinting at it.


-flirting? I thought Kate’s strong friendships with Spencer(first 4 weeks) and Alex(last 4 weeks) were made into the most extreme highlights of BB3. Am I wrong on this? She did not “flirt” with PJ,Lee,Tim or Jonny in any case. She was just her usual friendly self and got on well with people generally. You misjudge her.


-As for your opinion that Kate was somehow bizarrely shown in a better light in the highlights than in the live feed- I just disagree myself but also I think the best way of refuting that is to state the obvious as we all probably know and that is that Kate was only ever nominated ONCE BY ANY HM!.-despite being in the house for 9 weeks. Even Alex, Sandy ,Tim and Lee with whom she had various times of serious falling out only ever nominated her once.If they disliked her they would have nominated her more throughout the whole nine yards(Did they edit the nominations????do you think?) On the contrary she was one of the most agreeable of HM’s as most recognised-she was easy to get on with and quite lively and inventive-albeit a little dim for some.

EddyBee]Hello HeyBaby.

But, it all started with BB3 and all that pro-Kate editing. Those of us with the live feeds saw the other side of Kate. The true, nasty, jealous and spiteful side.


That would be those of us who hated Kate from about two minutes into the show for reasons that seem dubious.

For example the bullying of Sophie has always been blamed on Jade but Kate was in on it to.

Completely in your imagination. The only time Kate even sat through the attacks on Sophie was the night she tried to calm Jade who was ranting about Sophie and that ..... bastard Lee.

Kate's cruelty to Jade was edited out, the name calling and the abuse was never shown on the edited highlights.

Complete nonsense. Endemol showed the house all being unfriendly to Jade. Alex was the worst . Why did Alex swear at her and pick fights with her ? Same reason as Kate came to dislike her - Jade spend all her time in the house setting one housemate against another and lying about it. Kate actually had more reason to be upset given the nature of the lies that Jade was spreading about her. Interestingly, what made Alex angriest was when he learnt that Jade had mislead him about Kate - a useful reminder that until she emerged as a potential winner Alex shared Adele's view that Kate was OK. Strangely the fringe Alex fans seem still to believe the stories that Jade spread rather than note that Alex himself was upset to learn they were Jade lies. Their world is even contrary to Alex's world. The point about Jade was that Kate managed to keep her cool and just made jokes about Jade - Alex lost his cool completely which undermined his campaign to win even more.

Let's not forget Kate's awful bullying. Not much was made of Kate holding Jade's hands down whilst her evil accomplice, Jonny, removed Jade's clothes.


You really do live in a fantasy world with an imagination worthy of murkier porn sites. They were playing - it went too far. Interestingly the same thing happened to Kate - twice - and guess who did it - the evil Alex - both times.

Or Kate's part in the bullying of Alex by Spencer, Jonny and PJ. The edited programme didn't show Endemol's favourite HM behaving as little more than a homophobe.

There is room to doubt what Spencer and PJ thought of Alex - they recognised him as a complete pillock but so did Jonny, Allison and Sunita by day 1. They may have been confused by his sexuality - but so was Alex when he had to work out what box to tick. There is no evidence that Kate attacked him for being gay.

But they repeatedly showed the nice Kate crying when Alison was evicted. And how false was that .... Kate had forgotten all about her mate a few days later.

Are you alleging Allison is gay (can't see any other fantastic logic in mentioning her there)? Kate didn't forget Allison - she was asked to list all the HMs from day 1 she listed the ones still there (missing out everyone who had gone) because she did what thousamds of people do - she didn't answer the question set. Its obvious to anyone who actually reads the articles that you keep on finding that Kate is very close to Allison.

Then Kate's flirting with nearly all the HMs was not shown on C4.

You have a very funny. primitive even, idea of what flirting is and how attractive females interact with males. It happens everyday now since women have got the vote and left the house and gone into the professions. Kate networks and she makes male friends. In the real world its what successful women do. All of the people you mentioned seemed to like or fancy Kate - led by Alex who became so spiteful after she preferred Spencer that he banished her to the poor side as punishment. Endemol tried to invent a relationship with Tim which led to the famous dinner-date where Kate ignored him and ate the cake. Lee claimed she liked him because he felt left out, but Kate made it very clear that he wasn't attractive to her. It was perfectly clear which one Kate really liked throughout.

Kate's drunkeness was kept well hidden until after the final vote and so on. Do I need to go on ?

Kate being drunk featured continually- Kate's most shown moment shows Kate tipsy - even Kate being sick did. Kate in a comatose state didn't because Endemol would have been savaged in the press and it would have set the same bad example as Alex drunk, Alex stripping Kate, Alex talking about leaving , Tim and Alex talking down about everyone, Jade stripping full frontal, the reported blatant racism of several of the housemates or Brian telling anti-semitic jokes in BB2 - none of which made it to c4. You don't need to go on but doubtless will keep on developing the illusion

Thankfully once Kate had left the BB3 House and the protection of Endemol & C4, the public began to see her in her true colours. It is for this reason that she failed, both at Capital Radio and on C4's SU:NK breakfast show.

Even more absurd. It would be physically impossible to see any of the character traits which your strange mind invents on a radio show or RISE. As the audience for both shows went up, its difficult to see how she can have lost fans. As to the future - as we don't know what she will be doing next, only a truly stupid or clairvoyant person could comment on it. [/quote]
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No surprises from you networkbabe. You've just posted the standard apologies for Kate that we all have become very familiar with.

Your defence of your Reality TV favourites is second to none but it is based on very selective criteria and bears little relationship with what actually happened during BB3.

But the real bankruptcy of your argument lies in the fact that you are unable to engage in this discussion without posting abuse.

I agree with you Eddy, I haven't got time to reply to that rant either, but I am interested to know who NWB sees as the one Kate fancied throughout?

She can't mean that the ghastly Spencer surely?

Kate didn't give him the time of day once she came out.

Not that I blame her!

Actually Kate & Spencer pretended to be a couple for a few weeks in order to go on some luxurious expenses paid holiday somewhere or another. The photos were subsequently sold to one of the glossy magazines.

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Excellent post from the thenetworkbabe......

Ah yes, you're right, I'd forgotten about that.

And then Spencer said he'd like to date her and she said she'd see him in hell first. Chasing that tosser Duncan wasn't she. The one night stand king.

Totally agree with you i have a brain that works a career an ongoing education and most of all like to have a laugh

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I saw all the live feeds and never saw Kate bullying Sophie.
In fact when Sophie left the house she said the only people who stood up for her were Alex Kate and Jonny with whom she is still good friends with.

Now that I come to think of it does Jade stay in touch with anyone for BB3. No and why because she fell out with all the Housemates during the nine weeks.

And who is to blame for her beheviour in BTR.
I suppose that was Kate's fault to.

Well, no surprises there One Kate fan supporting the rant of another Kate fan.

I also saw the live feeds and have to disagree with you. Kate was in on the bullying to begin with, but later changed her mind. In addition to bullying Sophie, Kate also bullied Jade & Alex.

About girls winning, Anna should have won BB1, not because she was a girl but because she was a very funny and amusing housemate.
Our site ran a campaign for her. I could never warm to Kate.

I agree with MrsLovely, Anna should have won BB1. She would have been a most deserving female winner.

I quite liked Helen too.

I agree with MrsLovely .... Anna & Helen all the way. Though Brian is OK.

Re. thenetworkbabe's post: I actually think many of her posts are technically well written even if I often disagree with the substance of what she says, but I wouldn't have a problem with her expressing those opinions in themselves; it's the fact that she often peppers these posts with insults towards other FMs, that is what annoys me, and she has done it not just on that post but on previous occasions as well.

Anyway, to get back on topic: I agree that Anna should have won BB1, definitely. Does anyone know what she's doing these days?

Anna is presenting a show on irish television. i think it is called Annas world and that this is her third or fourth series of it.

You all wrong. It was all Adeles fault, she was the main bullier, along with Tim. Jade was just a pawn in Adeles plan, and Kate was'nt a bully. Jonny was a bully as well imo.
Jade ,Kate and Alex were the best thing in BB3 . IMO. and If Jade or Alex wasnt going to win then I am so glad it was Kate and not Jonny.

and yes Anna should have won BB1.

Thanks for the info. Wish I was able to see it. I know she also had a show a couple of years ago on BBC digital, but that was in my pre-digital days so I never got to see that either.

As did Nush & Scott in BB4

Your point is what exactly?

Oh come on Metafis......We all know Adele was the "escape goat"....She laughed once at some of Jade's rants and so got all of the blame, there certainly was no plan....Jade was head bullier....and very nesty she was to...(recent events on BTR have proved how vile she can be).......

Adele was playing a game, she was upfront from the start in the diary room about it.

Sadly the viewers didn't play the game with her.

Mes is right the true 'bully' was no other than little miss 'I'm thick I am' Jade.