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Hayley's Icy reception
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lach doch mal
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“How I do loathe the tabloids!

I know from experience that they print a load of lies about people (not that I'm a celebrity! ) and some folk are very hurt by it. I would be too.

As for Hayley seeking sympathy through Twitter, how many people actually use Twitter? I don't - and I will still vote for her whatever she tweets bacause she's the best imo.”

Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“Exactly. It's way too much!”

I don't use twitter, to be fair following a celebrity and listening to their inane rubbish is rather boring IMO! It wouldn't inspire me to vote for them, but on the same lines I don't care about it either.

My advice, if you don't like the person don't read their twitter. It's not likely to make you like them more, if you haven't taken to them in the first place.
blueabu
14-03-2010
I was just wondering what the bitchy comments about Hayley were going to be this week.

Why oh Why do we brits take such pleasure in trying to bring down anyone who is good at anything??
Ignazio
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Where can I read her tweets without joining twitter?

I'm interested if she really said she hasn't skated since her teens. that does put a whole new complexion on things. Although If she has skated I'm surprised it hasn't been discovered before now.

Ooh found it and she did say that. Interesting, but then she's not that good a skater for someone who skated in their teens.”

Did she say what standard she reached - there's a big difference between skating around a rink and learning some of the more difficult moves? Those who didn't like Ray were insistent that he'd had previous experience, despite never producing any evidence as proof.

As for the sympathy vote - she's been top of the leader board every week she's skated, so she hardly needs sympathy. I would suggest that asking for support is unwise, but she's not the first; Mel recently took advantage of twitter to beg for votes.

Naturally those who like her will find good reason for her actions, her detractors will take advantage of any opportunity to disparage.

The same would happen if any other skater was involved.
lach doch mal
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
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Naturally those who like her will find good reason for her actions, her detractors will take advantage of any opportunity to disparage.”

Excellent point, and this thread is a good example of this.
Daewos
14-03-2010
Funny how people never believe the papers and condemn them when it has a go at their favourite. And yet they are quite happy to advertise stories, and pontificate on those stories when it is about other contestants. Is that not a little hypocritical?

As to the actual story I did have a little snigger when it went on about how she would not allow them to exploit her injuries and then she promptly listed them all!
richie4eva
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Daewos:
“Funny how people never believe the papers and condemn them when it has a go at their favourite. And yet they are quite happy to advertise stories, and pontificate on those stories when it is about other contestants. Is that not a little hypocritical?

As to the actual story I did have a little snigger when it went on about how she would not allow them to exploit her injuries and then she promptly listed them all!”

Sign of the times unfortunately

She didn't do herself any favours by responding via Tweet but she will still win

My personal opinion is that she has had some very unfair advantages handed to her to make sure she gets over the finish line as the winner

I know certain Hayley supporters will think me cynical but it just seems that the PTB are just making sure she is going to win no matter what

I'd like to see a shock but the only way that is going to happen is if Hayley has a major mishap between tonight and the final and also if one of the others step up to the plate but that doesn't look like happening

A lot of people are just going to turn around and say "What an anticlimax" if Hayley as expected wins
yellowlabbie
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“How I do loathe the tabloids!

I know from experience that they print a load of lies about people (not that I'm a celebrity! ) and some folk are very hurt by it. I would be too.

As for Hayley seeking sympathy through Twitter, how many people actually use Twitter? I don't - and I will still vote for her whatever she tweets bacause she's the best imo.”

Ridiculous, I don't use twitter and I don't know anyone who does.
laur_od
14-03-2010
I do feel sympathy when stuff is written in the press and when it is hurtful. But she has been in the media long enough ( far enough she hasn't had a lot of media attention but still) to deal with it better than that. If you want to tweet simply say it isn't true and let it like the pros did about the strike article. Everyone gets crap written about them, if she wants to continue in the spotlight she'll have to learn how to let it go better. This isn't a criticism just an observation that if she wants a high profile career in showbiz she'll have to develop thicker skin than that.
Veri
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Where can I read her tweets without joining twitter?

I'm interested if she really said she hasn't skated since her teens. that does put a whole new complexion on things. Although If she has skated I'm surprised it hasn't been discovered before now.

Ooh found it and she did say that. Interesting, but then she's not that good a skater for someone who skated in their teens.”

Originally Posted by SheShe:
“Just type her name and Twitter into Google. Voilą!”

She does say it: "i was never asked to do the show before and i certainly have never skated since my teens!thats just a joke!dan is so angry right now..x"

http://twitter.com/hayleysoraya

It's currently listed as being "about 3 hours ago via web"

I suppose some will maintain the part about skating since her teens is the "joke", though.
icedragon
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Did she say what standard she reached - there's a big difference between skating around a rink and learning some of the more difficult moves? Those who didn't like Ray were insistent that he'd had previous experience, despite never producing any evidence as proof.

As for the sympathy vote - she's been top of the leader board every week she's skated, so she hardly needs sympathy. I would suggest that asking for support is unwise, but she's not the first; Mel recently took advantage of twitter to beg for votes.

Naturally those who like her will find good reason for her actions, her detractors will take advantage of any opportunity to disparage.

The same would happen if any other skater was involved.”

No she didn't and that was why it interested me that she brought it up now. It does go against the 'never skated before' thing which was the position I thought she held. I don't mind if people are open about what they've done.

Evidently she couldn't say 'I've never skated before' because she had. Now maybe it was just the odd few goes round a rink in a disco session but maybe it was something more. Maybe she did learn to skate then, maybe she didn't. However anyone who learnt to skate as a child (even those who didn't do much more than skate around in circles) tends to have something of an advantage over anyone who didn't, in terms of already being comfortable on the ice and they tend to have a better look to their skating.
Psychosis
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Ooh found it and she did say that. Interesting, but then she's not that good a skater for someone who skated in their teens.”

I don't know what she means exactly, nor do I know the context, but... to my knowledge going on ice skating trips from school was the norm before the last ten years? Certainly in Hayley's era she's likely to have been loaded on a bus to Telford or something.

There's a difference between "I haven't skated since my teens" and "I was a skater in my teens".
Veri
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by EyeLikeBeer:
“People still believe the papers? ...”

The People is one of the least reliable, and this article gets up to the usual trick of having an anonymous source. However, they do say the source is a contestant.

Original article: http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_head...name_page.html
Eejit
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Veri:
“The People is one of the least reliable, and this article gets up to the usual trick of having an anonymous source. However, they do say the source is a contestant.”

The question is which contestant...?

I know who I'd have my money on!
Ignazio
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Veri:
“She does say it: "i was never asked to do the show before and i certainly have never skated since my teens!thats just a joke!dan is so angry right now..x"

http://twitter.com/hayleysoraya

It's currently listed as being "about 3 hours ago via web"

I suppose some will maintain the part about skating since her teens is the "joke", though.”

I wouldn't know either way - but no doubt the opinions of some cynics and believers will be influenced by their DOI loyalties.
asp746
14-03-2010
OMG she's protected her tweets

http://twitter.com/HayleyTamaddon
Neomysterio
14-03-2010
Not a huge Hayley fan but I feel pretty sorry for her.
Veri
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“I don't know what she means exactly, nor do I know the context, but... to my knowledge going on ice skating trips from school was the norm before the last ten years? Certainly in Hayley's era she's likely to have been loaded on a bus to Telford or something.

There's a difference between "I haven't skated since my teens" and "I was a skater in my teens".”

But they both mean she skated in her teens.

They just don't say how much.

Relevant post from another thread:

Originally Posted by icedragon:
“OK right there is the big difference. I can always tell those who learnt to skate as children and those who learnt to skate as adults. It is very much harder learning to skate as an adult and with each passing decade it is harder. If you learn to skate as a child you quickly have the confidence on ice that enables you to go on to learn harder things much more quickly.

...

People who have skated a bit as children, even if just basic skating round a rink have a discernable ease on the ice which it takes adult learners a long time to emulate if ever. ...
...”

Ignazio
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“No she didn't and that was why it interested me that she brought it up now. It does go against the 'never skated before' thing which was the position I thought she held. I don't mind if people are open about what they've done.

Evidently she couldn't say 'I've never skated before' because she had. Now maybe it was just the odd few goes round a rink in a disco session but maybe it was something more. Maybe she did learn to skate then, maybe she didn't. However anyone who learnt to skate as a child (even those who didn't do much more than skate around in circles) tends to have something of an advantage over anyone who didn't, in terms of already being comfortable on the ice and they tend to have a better look to their skating.”

But now we're jumping from skating in her teens to skating as a child; as for the latter - just two words Greg Rusedski.
lach doch mal
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Neomysterio:
“Not a huge Hayley fan but I feel pretty sorry for her. ”

Me too! It seems whatever she does, she is in the wrong. Now if the story is right (which we don't know and I feel its probably not true), we should be up in arms about the "contestant" who was bitchy enough to come up with this rubbish. I'm not worried that Hayley would try to defend herself or ask for votes on her twitter (up to her and I don't follow her twitter, and won't vote for her), but I would be worried about the contestant who has no backbone and is malicious enough to go to a paper with this non-story.
icedragon
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“I don't know what she means exactly, nor do I know the context, but... to my knowledge going on ice skating trips from school was the norm before the last ten years? Certainly in Hayley's era she's likely to have been loaded on a bus to Telford or something.

There's a difference between "I haven't skated since my teens" and "I was a skater in my teens".”

I never went on bus trips from school to an ice rink - dammit I'd have loved that!

'I haven't skated since my teens' implies to me she may have skated quite a bit in her teens (teens possibly covering quite a lot of years!)- although as above whether that was disco sessions or something else isn't clear.

Whatever it's clearly different to 'I've never skated before this show' which was what I thought she'd said before. Makes no difference to me anyway. I wasn't going to vote for her anyway!
Ignazio
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“I never went on bus trips from school to an ice rink - dammit I'd have loved that!

'I haven't skated since my teens' implies to me she may have skated quite a bit in her teens (teens possibly covering quite a lot of years!)- although as above whether that was disco sessions or something else isn't clear.

Whatever it's clearly different to 'I've never skated before this show' which was what I thought she'd said before. Makes no difference to me anyway. I wasn't going to vote for her anyway!”

Conjecture!
asp746
14-03-2010
http://twitter.com/Hayleysoraya

whoops - she has two accounts and its this one that's active - she says she's gonna rise above it and skate her socks off. She says dan's so angry right now - i couldn't imagine him getting angry about anything - he's got a permanent grin on his face.
Veri
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I wouldn't know either way - but no doubt the opinions of some cynics and believers will be influenced by their DOI loyalties.”

I'm filing it in the "we don't know for sure either way" pile. So I don't yet believe she skated in her teens, and I don't yet believe she didn't either.

But the most natural interpretation of the tweet, imo, is that what she was calling a joke was the claims that she'd been asked on the show before and therefore had skated more recently -- which would mean she had skated in her teens (and perhaps before).

Originally Posted by Eejit:
“The question is which contestant...?

I know who I'd have my money on!”

Maybe it's no contestant. I don't trust a paper like the People not to make it up.
Psychosis
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“I never went on bus trips from school to an ice rink - dammit I'd have loved that!

'I haven't skated since my teens' implies to me she may have skated quite a bit in her teens (teens possibly covering quite a lot of years!)- although as above whether that was disco sessions or something else isn't clear.

Whatever it's clearly different to 'I've never skated before this show' which was what I thought she'd said before. Makes no difference to me anyway. I wasn't going to vote for her anyway!”

"I haven't skated since my teens" does not imply anything other than that she set boot on ice at least ONCE between the age of 13 and 19. That's all. Anything else is conjecture.

And almost all of the contestants have set foot on ice at least once.
icedragon
14-03-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“But now we're jumping from skating in her teens to skating as a child; as for the latter - just two words Greg Rusedski.”


A teen is a child in my book. Child is anyone under 18.

Greg did not have the dancing ability to turn it into 'dancing on ice' but he sure could skate pretty well and was very confident on the ice and could jump - boy could he jump! He skated like an ice hockey player and a not very good one at that!
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