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Hypocritical Emma
Sent Danny out for messing up his "required element" involving the prop but saved Danniella last week who didn't do the spin, load of bl**dy rubbish!!
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Gary should have gone tonight so its silly public
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Daniella did do the spin in the skate off
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Danniella did do the spin in the skate-off, she just messed up in the main show. And Emma wasn't the only one to save her last week and send home Danny this week so why are you singling her out? |
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They were both excellent in the skate-off. Kieron probably a little bit better anyway.
Ultimately dropping the hat was always going to send him home, and rightly so. They were closely matched otherwise.
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Emma saved Keiron based on the fact that he didn't mess up with the prop and Danny did. Last week Mikey did a much better spin than Danniella (I stand corrected about her not doing one at all!) but yet she saved Danniella. I just think that you should be consistant. if you are going to base your decisions on the "required element" alone then you can't overlook someone who performs it the best one week and then send someone home the following week because of it. I'm not a huge fan of either Kieron or Danny but personally I think they should judge based on the performance as a whole and even with the dropped hat I think Danny's was better but hey that's just my opinion !!
On a conspiratorial note maybe they just didn't want him going too far in the competition as they are not doing the tour...!! |
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I didn't realise it was simply about Props on Ice. You learn something new every day...
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Emma saved Keiron based on the fact that he didn't mess up with the prop and Danny did. Last week Mikey did a much better spin than Danniella (I stand corrected about her not doing one at all!) but yet she saved Danniella. I just think that you should be consistant. if you are going to base your decisions on the "required element" alone then you can't overlook someone who performs it the best one week and then send someone home the following week because of it. I'm not huge fans of either Kieron or Danny but personally I think they should judge based on the performance as a whole and even with the dropped hat I think Danny's was better but hey that's just my opinion !!
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Emma saved Keiron based on the fact that he didn't mess up with the prop and Danny did. Last week Mikey did a much better spin than Danniella (I stand corrected about her not doing one at all!) but yet she saved Danniella. I just think that you should be consistant. if you are going to base your decisions on the "required element" alone then you can't overlook someone who performs it the best one week and then send someone home the following week because of it. I'm not a huge fan of either Kieron or Danny but personally I think they should judge based on the performance as a whole and even with the dropped hat I think Danny's was better but hey that's just my opinion !!
![]() Mikey was consistently crap, and so the better spin was never going to save him, as Robin clearly pointed out. This week was quite a different situation. |
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Last week both Nicky and Jason saved Mikey and both stated that they had based their decision on the fact that he had performed the required element better than Danniella (and therefore ignored the rest of the performance) Presumably Karen, Emma and Robin all saved Danniella based on the fact that Daniella's overall performance was better even though her spin was not performed as well as Mikey's. Tonight Emma scored Kieron's performance a 5.00 and Danny's a 5.5 so she obviously thought Danny's overall performance was better! I just think the performances should be judged as a whole without single mistakes being the be all and end all. It was the same with Sinitta, she should never have gone out the first week as she was (IMHO) a much better skater than Sharon.
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Last week both Nicky and Jason saved Mikey and both stated that they had based their decision on the fact that he had performed the required element better than Danniella (and therefore ignored the rest of the performance) Presumably Karen, Emma and Robin all saved Danniella based on the fact that Daniella's overall performance was better even though her spin was not performed as well as Mikey's. Tonight Emma scored Kieron's performance a 5.00 and Danny's a 5.5 so she obviously thought Danny's overall performance was better! I just think the performances should be judged as a whole without single mistakes being the be all and end all. It was the same with Sinitta, she should never have gone out the first week as she was (IMHO) a much better skater than Sharon.
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Daniella didn't "muck up" her required element or anything. Just one part of her routine wasn't as strong as Mikey's, but the majority was better.
Kieren and Danny were closely matched, so a mistake was always going to make a difference. In both cases, the person they would have marked higher if they were scoring stayed. The fact it is or isn't a required element is irrelevant. |
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[quote=Jem19876;39034138]Daniella didn't "muck up" her required element or anything. Just one part of her routine wasn't as strong as Mikey's, but the majority was better.
I agree, overall her performance was better and I think that the judges should mark on that basis, however both Nicky and Jason were willing to send the better skater home based on the quality of the spin while seemingly ignoring the rest of the performance. At least they were consistant tonight and again made a decision solely on the use of the prop. Robin and Emma both seemed last week to look at the two skates as a whole and not factor the spin as hugely important whereas this week it was all about a hat!!! I bet if Hayley had ended up in a skate off and make an error it would have been overlooked as she is obviously a better skater than all the rest. Anyway, moan over now !!!! |
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Personally I would have saved Danny too as I thought his performance was much better than Kieron's. To quote Robin, one dropped hat does not a performance unmake.
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As has already been pointed out, neither Mikey nor Danniella entirely missed the required element, so a 0.5 deduction would not have been appropriate. Mikey did a slightly better job of it, but overall a worse performance.
However, this week, despite the judges marking Danny higher in the main part of the show, the hat was dropped twice during the skate-off and so those fumbles could not be ignored. They had no choice but to save Kieron. And why is Emma getting it in the neck for 'hypocrisy' and not Robin? |
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Emma really ANNOYED me tonight !! "Hi Hayley...something was missing tonight...not sure what?!!" HOW IS THAT HELPFUL ?!?!?!? She couldn't judge a raffle !!!
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Emma constantly sucks up to Jason. You just know that she will score the same way as Jason.
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I agree with the OP, infact was about to create the exact same thread.
This week it was all about the required element but last week it wasnt but based on performance. Where's the consistency among judges, i'll never know.. ![]()
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Where's the consistency among judges, i'll never know..
![]() ![]() Mikey was consistently rubbish, so one good spin didn't really matter. The required element is only crucial where the two contestants are closely matched. As was the case tonight. (Though it's worth bearing in mind that the after the hat drop, the routine sort of fell apart a bit anyway - the end was mucked up too) |
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:yawn: The difference is the two routines this week were both very good. So it came down to the required element in deciding. Exactly as Robin said it would.
Mikey was consistently rubbish, so one good spin didn't really matter. The required element is only crucial where the two contestants are closely matched. As was the case tonight. (Though it's worth bearing in mind that the after the hat drop, the routine sort of fell apart a bit anyway - the end was mucked up too) Although, I have never seen them enforce that rule - its all about who's the better performer..:yawn: |
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Mikey may have been consistently rubbish - I agree with you there, but I thought the judges were supposed to judge based on the performance done in the skate - off alone and previous routines wiped clean?
). Mikey's was just bleh...In that sort of situation though, the panel really had to get rid of Mikey for the sake of the competition anyway. I don't think in reality, they can entirely put their previous performances out of their minds. They should maybe be a bit more honest about that sometimes - though with Mikey I think even just on the skate-off, his elimination was fair. |
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I think there's a measure of consistency in the way ALL the judges have voted really.
Nicky and Jason have based it on the required element, Karen and Emma more on performance, Robin on the whole package. So last week N&J voted Mikey for the spin, the girls voted Danniella for the style, and Robin voted Danniella because she was pretty much the better bet overall. This week N&J voted Kieron for handling the element better, and Karen voted Danny for the style. Emma's vote could have been seen as a performance vote because as Eejit said, once Danny dropped the hat it all fell apart a bit really. By the time Robin voted it obviously didn't matter. |
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Gary should have gone on performance. As the skate off is based sorely on that one performance and danny made a complete mess with the prop thought karen was crazy to even think about saving him. His skate off was a mess, get a grip karen.
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Sent Danny out for messing up his "required element" involving the prop but saved Danniella last week who didn't do the spin, load of bl**dy rubbish!!
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Personally I would have saved Danny too as I thought his performance was much better than Kieron's. To quote Robin, one dropped hat does not a performance unmake.
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