Did Robin mean he was the best skater of those in the skate off or generally. As to me - and I am ot an expert Hayley's solo stint was really good - seemingly better than Gary. She did it for longer and it looked better!
This Morning today....
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Did Robin mean he was the best skater of those in the skate off or generally. In my view - and I am not obviously an expert Hayley's solo stint was really good - seemingly better than Gary. She did it for longer and it looked better!
How is this any different to Jason's Twitter last night. If he was unprofessional saying Gary should have gone, who was at least in the SO, Robin is even worse for stating Keiron who wasn't in the SO should have gone.
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“According to Twitter, Jason's ill and at the doctors.”
“According to Twitter, Jason's ill and at the doctors.”
Its prbably thrroat problems after shouting 'DANNNNIELLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAA'
last night
Originally Posted by jlighthi:
“Did Robin mean he was the best skater of those in the skate off or generally. In my view - and I am not obviously an expert Hayley's solo stint was really good - seemingly better than Gary. She did it for longer and it looked better!”
“Did Robin mean he was the best skater of those in the skate off or generally. In my view - and I am not obviously an expert Hayley's solo stint was really good - seemingly better than Gary. She did it for longer and it looked better!”
What Robin said this morning was "Gary is head and shoulders ahead of the other competitiors with his basic skating skills" so it appears that he thinks Gary is a more skilful ice skater than Hayley!
Hayley is probably a better 'dancer/performer' and looks better to the viewers but Robin was talking about skating skill on the ice!
Originally Posted by MrsRobinson:
“What Robin said this morning was "Gary is head and shoulders ahead of the other competitiors with his basic skating skills" so it appears that he thinks Gary is a more skilful ice skater than Hayley!
Hayley is probably a better 'dancer/performer' and looks better to the viewers but Robin was talking about skating skill on the ice!”
“What Robin said this morning was "Gary is head and shoulders ahead of the other competitiors with his basic skating skills" so it appears that he thinks Gary is a more skilful ice skater than Hayley!
Hayley is probably a better 'dancer/performer' and looks better to the viewers but Robin was talking about skating skill on the ice!”
That is interesting. It just never comes across that way. Shame if gary is so good at skating but seemingly so poor in performance. I like gary a lot but agree he is pretty boring!
Originally Posted by MrsRobinson:
“I'll just replay it and check what he said!
Robin's exact words to Holly and Phil were "Kieron is the one who probably should have gone"”
“I'll just replay it and check what he said!
Robin's exact words to Holly and Phil were "Kieron is the one who probably should have gone"”
Which suggests to me now, I was right in my original thoughts that they undermarked to try and ensure Keiron was in the skate off against Daniella with him going, but it didn't work. Thank goodness no matter what they say in the final now, it is up to the viewers vote not the judges votes also.
Originally Posted by duryea:
“How is this any different to Jason's Twitter last night. If he was unprofessional saying Gary should have gone, who was at least in the SO, Robin is even worse for stating Keiron who wasn't in the SO should have gone.”
“How is this any different to Jason's Twitter last night. If he was unprofessional saying Gary should have gone, who was at least in the SO, Robin is even worse for stating Keiron who wasn't in the SO should have gone.”
I don't think it is any different, if he had said Kieron was the weakest technical skater left, then fair enough, but he shouldn't have said Kieron should have gone. I think the only possible mitigating circumstances for either of them are that the judges don't actually have any control over who wins the final and so they can't be accused of bias next week.
Originally Posted by Susann:
“Which suggests to me now, I was right in my original thoughts that they undermarked to try and ensure Keiron was in the skate off against Daniella with him going, but it didn't work. Thank goodness no matter what they say in the final now, it is up to the viewers vote not the judges votes also.”
“Which suggests to me now, I was right in my original thoughts that they undermarked to try and ensure Keiron was in the skate off against Daniella with him going, but it didn't work. Thank goodness no matter what they say in the final now, it is up to the viewers vote not the judges votes also.”
If that is true, and all the evidence is leaning that way, I just don't understand why. What's the poor lad done? He's not mouthy, or surly, hasn't stropped or moaned. What's the beef?
Originally Posted by Susann:
“Which suggests to me now, I was right in my original thoughts that they undermarked to try and ensure Keiron was in the skate off against Daniella with him going, but it didn't work. Thank goodness no matter what they say in the final now, it is up to the viewers vote not the judges votes also.”
“Which suggests to me now, I was right in my original thoughts that they undermarked to try and ensure Keiron was in the skate off against Daniella with him going, but it didn't work. Thank goodness no matter what they say in the final now, it is up to the viewers vote not the judges votes also.”
I have grown to love Kieron's performances over the weeks - but he was the weakest last night IMO. Not by much ... but his usual spark of performance wasn't there, and his solo skating spot wasn't great. I don't think for one minute they planned to undermark him.
So for that reason I can see why Robin would have thought that.
He is allowed an opinion, as we all are, on who impressed or didn't impress last night. What Robin doesn't do, unlike Jason, is go OTT on his reasons why.
Originally Posted by River Man:
“Robin also said Kieron should have been in the skate-off and gone....”
“Robin also said Kieron should have been in the skate-off and gone....”
I think that Robin was spot on and my biggest shock was the fact that Kieron went through with Hayley and not Gary! Gary is a far better skater than Kieron and although he is not as good at dance or presentation as Hayley he is without doubt the second best person there!
I think that Kieron was very lucky last night, just as he was when Danny messed up with dropping his hat last week. He seems to be the contestant that has nine lives!
If people were to watch Kieron skating again they will see that he did not connect well with his partner and had no charisma at all last night. He pulled his partner around the ice like she was a sack of spuds and for once I agreed with what Jason said to him! This is why Kieron got the lowest joint score alongside Daniella last night and I think that Robin was spot on when he said that if Kieron had been in the skate off with Daniella she would have stayed and Kieron would have gone!
Originally Posted by NoahsAark:
“I have grown to love Kieron's performances over the weeks - but he was the weakest last night IMO. Not by much ... but his usual spark of performance wasn't there, and his solo skating spot wasn't great. I don't think for one minute they planned to undermark him.
So for that reason I can see why Robin would have thought that.
He is allowed an opinion, as we all are, on who impressed or didn't impress last night. What Robin doesn't do, unlike Jason, is go OTT on his reasons why.”
“I have grown to love Kieron's performances over the weeks - but he was the weakest last night IMO. Not by much ... but his usual spark of performance wasn't there, and his solo skating spot wasn't great. I don't think for one minute they planned to undermark him.
So for that reason I can see why Robin would have thought that.
He is allowed an opinion, as we all are, on who impressed or didn't impress last night. What Robin doesn't do, unlike Jason, is go OTT on his reasons why.”
I totally agree with you on what Robin has said. I think that Robin is definitely the best and most fair judge of them all. Like you have said, Robin does not go over the top but is honest and very fair. This is obviously why he is top judge and knows what he is talking about!
Robin was spot on about Kieron and he was definitely not undermarked and in fact I think other than Daniellas solo part she outshone Kieron last night and especially when she was in the skate off. I think that Kieron would definitely have been voted off had he been in the skate off with Daniella last night, just like Robin said this morning!
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I totally agree with you on what Robin has said. I think that Robin is definitely the best and most fair judge of them all. Like you have said, Robin does not go over the top but is honest and very fair. This is obviously why he is top judge and knows what he is talking about!
Robin was spot on about Kieron and he was definitely not undermarked and in fact I think other than Daniellas solo part she outshone Kieron last night and especially when she was in the skate off. I think that Kieron would definitely have been voted off had he been in the skate off with Daniella last night, just like Robin said this morning!”
“I totally agree with you on what Robin has said. I think that Robin is definitely the best and most fair judge of them all. Like you have said, Robin does not go over the top but is honest and very fair. This is obviously why he is top judge and knows what he is talking about!
Robin was spot on about Kieron and he was definitely not undermarked and in fact I think other than Daniellas solo part she outshone Kieron last night and especially when she was in the skate off. I think that Kieron would definitely have been voted off had he been in the skate off with Daniella last night, just like Robin said this morning!”
Well you would state that as Kieron seems to be competition for Hayley. Robin is entitled to his opinion but all he is doing by stating this on television shows is gearing up the Kieron fans to vote even harder for him. The fact is that Kieron wasnt in the skate off so never had a chanceof being voted out by the judges.
Originally Posted by Art Attack:
“Well you would state that as Kieron seems to be competition for Hayley. Robin is entitled to his opinion but all he is doing by stating this on television shows is gearing up the Kieron fans to vote even harder for him. The fact is that Kieron wasn't in the skate off so never had a chance of being voted out by the judges.”
“Well you would state that as Kieron seems to be competition for Hayley. Robin is entitled to his opinion but all he is doing by stating this on television shows is gearing up the Kieron fans to vote even harder for him. The fact is that Kieron wasn't in the skate off so never had a chance of being voted out by the judges.”
In complete agreement, also Kieron has a lot more on his mind than Haley he has to keep safe on the ice because he is lifting Brianne to me this must be incredibly hard for guys who have not been skating that long. I have rarely voted before but last week I voted several times and will do so in the final for Kieron because what he has achieved from being a non-skater, non-dancer, non-performer is impressive. Gary is also impressive with his skating but has not shown any peformance skills, lovely man though.
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I totally agree with you on what Robin has said. I think that Robin is definitely the best and most fair judge of them all. Like you have said, Robin does not go over the top but is honest and very fair. This is obviously why he is top judge and knows what he is talking about!
Robin was spot on about Kieron and he was definitely not undermarked and in fact I think other than Daniellas solo part she outshone Kieron last night and especially when she was in the skate off. I think that Kieron would definitely have been voted off had he been in the skate off with Daniella last night, just like Robin said this morning!”
“I totally agree with you on what Robin has said. I think that Robin is definitely the best and most fair judge of them all. Like you have said, Robin does not go over the top but is honest and very fair. This is obviously why he is top judge and knows what he is talking about!
Robin was spot on about Kieron and he was definitely not undermarked and in fact I think other than Daniellas solo part she outshone Kieron last night and especially when she was in the skate off. I think that Kieron would definitely have been voted off had he been in the skate off with Daniella last night, just like Robin said this morning!”
But he wasn't, so Robin's assessment of what might have happened in a hypothetical situation is irrelevant.
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“But he wasn't, so Robin's assessment of what might have happened is irrelevant.”
“But he wasn't, so Robin's assessment of what might have happened is irrelevant.
”
Seconded. The judges should keep their private opinions to themselves until the show is over. Kieron was not in the skate off, so there is no need to single him out.
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Seconded. The judges should keep their private opinions to themselves until the show is over. Kieron was not in the skate off, so there is no need to single him out.”
“Seconded. The judges should keep their private opinions to themselves until the show is over. Kieron was not in the skate off, so there is no need to single him out.”
With all due respect, every one of us on here gives our opinon on who we like/dislike, thought should have been in the skate-off/gone home etc. Robin was merely pointing out he thought Kieron was the weakest on the night.
IF Kerion had been in the skate-off he may well have nailed a brilliant performance - who knows !?
If anyone should keep their opinions to themselves it is Jason ... have you seen his latest rant in the DS news about BOTH Gary and Kieron. Completely unnecessary and unprofessional.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/dancingo...-pillocks.html
Originally Posted by NoahsAark:
“With all due respect, every one of us on here gives our opinon on who we like/dislike, thought should have been in the skate-off/gone home etc. Robin was merely pointing out he thought Kieron was the weakest on the night.
IF Kerion had been in the skate-off he may well have nailed a brilliant performance - who knows !?
If anyone should keep their opinions to themselves it is Jason ... have you seen his latest rant in the DS news about BOTH Gary and Kieron. Completely unnecessary and unprofessional.”
“With all due respect, every one of us on here gives our opinon on who we like/dislike, thought should have been in the skate-off/gone home etc. Robin was merely pointing out he thought Kieron was the weakest on the night.
IF Kerion had been in the skate-off he may well have nailed a brilliant performance - who knows !?
If anyone should keep their opinions to themselves it is Jason ... have you seen his latest rant in the DS news about BOTH Gary and Kieron. Completely unnecessary and unprofessional.”
Oh I agree with you on Jason (shudder). I got my first ever warning from Digi spy because I voiced my opinion about him in some strong terms, so no arguments from me here.
Nobody takes Jason serious anymore, because he voices his opinion at every opportunity. I would say more, but I'm careful now, I don't want to be reported again
On here, we are private individuals, so our opinions (no disrespect intendend) don't really count either. Nobody takes us serious. Robin is the head judge, and as such should keep his private opinions to himself. Kieron wasn't in the skate off, he shouldn't have been up for discussion IMO. Both him and Daniella were lowest on the leader board, so it wasn't as if Kieron had been lowest and someone else much higher than him had left. It's not a Coleen versus Zoe argument like last year.
Edit: Thanks for the link I'll have a look
.Edit 2: Just had a look and it's disgusting. He shouldn't be allowed to say such things. I like Hayley a lot, but to a certain degree, now I wish that either of the other two win it.
Kieron is in the final because enough of the viewers wanted to see him there to vote him through and, after all, the point of this programme is to entertain the viewers, not to appease the judges. I think we all know that Kieron is unlikely to win, but he is clearly thrilled just to have made it to the final and I too am delighted about that. I think it's a really good thing that we have three very different contestants in the final.
For what it's worth I think that they are both wrong to be saying what they have, Kieron was NOT in the SO therefore more people found him entertaining on a Sunday evening entertainment show than Gary and Daniella and much as I like Daniella and admire her for what she has achieved I thought she didn't make much improvement from week 3 or so.
Jasons terminology is disgusting about the two guys who are both great guys and certainly not what he called them, indeed would reserve that term for Jason himself.
Jasons terminology is disgusting about the two guys who are both great guys and certainly not what he called them, indeed would reserve that term for Jason himself.
Originally Posted by Bandita:
“For what it's worth I think that they are both wrong to be saying what they have, Kieron was NOT in the SO therefore more people found him entertaining on a Sunday evening entertainment show than Gary and Daniella and much as I like Daniella and admire her for what she has achieved I thought she didn't make much improvement from week 3 or so.
Jasons terminology is disgusting about the two guys who are both great guys and certainly not what he called them, indeed would reserve that term for Jason himself.”
“For what it's worth I think that they are both wrong to be saying what they have, Kieron was NOT in the SO therefore more people found him entertaining on a Sunday evening entertainment show than Gary and Daniella and much as I like Daniella and admire her for what she has achieved I thought she didn't make much improvement from week 3 or so.
Jasons terminology is disgusting about the two guys who are both great guys and certainly not what he called them, indeed would reserve that term for Jason himself.
”
Well they are employed as judges to give their opinions and I guess if asked who 'they' thought was was the weakest and should have gone home they are going to give their own opinion.
It's just unfortunate that Jason over-steps the mark. Okay he thinks Gary skates well but doesn't have the performance, he might think Kieron didn't present as well as he normally does on Sunday ... but there is absolutely no need to be so vile about them. Also, he is kinda missing the point ... it's Dancing on Ice, so whilst I agree the dancing part is important ... so is the actual ice bit and the skating will always play a big part in the judging (why have required elements if the skating doesn't matter). If he wants to judge purely on performance alone ... then he needs to find a different show.
Fortunately it seems as though Kieron and Gary laugh off his comments - which is absolutely the right thing to do.
Jason just comes across as incredibly bitter about Daniella's going. He was the very one saying he didn't much like Hayley last week in one of the papers... 
Anyway, I think anything like what he's written in the Sun is more likely to boost Gary and Kieron's vote, rather than diminish it.
Anyway, I think anything like what he's written in the Sun is more likely to boost Gary and Kieron's vote, rather than diminish it.
Originally Posted by Eejit:
“Jason just comes across as incredibly bitter about Daniella's going. He was the very one saying he didn't much like Hayley last week in one of the papers...
Anyway, I think anything like what he's written in the Sun is more likely to boost Gary and Kieron's vote, rather than diminish it.”
“Jason just comes across as incredibly bitter about Daniella's going. He was the very one saying he didn't much like Hayley last week in one of the papers...
Anyway, I think anything like what he's written in the Sun is more likely to boost Gary and Kieron's vote, rather than diminish it.
”
ooohh what has Jason been saying?
He's on This Morning at this moment trying to dress an oldish couple for their son's wedding!!!!
Originally Posted by MrsRobinson:
“ooohh what has Jason been saying?
He's on This Morning at this moment trying to dress an oldish couple for their son's wedding!!!!”
“ooohh what has Jason been saying?
He's on This Morning at this moment trying to dress an oldish couple for their son's wedding!!!!”
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/dancingo...-pillocks.html
What a nasty little man.
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