But DS polls often fail to reflect real voting patterns. What's surprising imo is when the DS polls are right.

After all -- without even bringing manipulation into the picture -- participants in DS polls are self-selected, DS voters can be influenced by what they read in the forum (while most voters don't read the forum), and there's no good reason to believe DS posters match the general public in any relevant way.

I'd refer if the SCD voting stayed the way it is. My chosen winner has won twice in a row these past two years.

DOI voters definitely don't take personality into account much. I say much, because look at Mikey. When it comes down to it, performance and skating always win out.

I prefer the personality & journey side of things myself.

Strictly I certainly didn't mean to be patronising, and I certainly don't mean to imply that you are biased whereas I'm not. However, you seem to imply that I'm a rabid Kieron fan, which I'm not (having giving Gary a vote in the final, and having defended Gary and Mikey and others on here, even against Kieron supporters). I don't think Kieron is the best thing since sliced bread, and I was happy to admit that Gary got his second place by merit, so give me some credit.

If I sounded patronising then I do apologise.

However, this is a forum where we discuss our opinions. My comment re: that I'm not always agree with you were clearly meant as a lighthearted joke (e.g. the sign). I also stated that IMO Kieron was better than Mikey. I'm surprised that you are so sensitive to the suggestion that you are biased when it comes to Mikey. The judges clearly didn't think that Mikey was better than Kieron, and towards the end Mikey was quite low on the leaderboard.

Right, here's the results in terms of order. The people in the skate-offs each week are in bold.

Week 1 (Girls)
1. Hayley
2. Emily
3. Tana
4. Heather
5. Daniella
6. Sinitta - Eliminated
7. Sharron

Week 2 (Boys)
1. Mikey
2. Jeremy
3. Hilary
4. Bobby - Eliminated
5. Kieron
6. Danny
7. Gray

Week 3
1. Gary
2. Mikey
3. Hayley
4. Daniella
5. Hilary
6. Danny
7. Heather
8. Emily
9= Kieron
9= Tana
11. Jeremy - Eliminated
12. Sharron

Week 4
1. Hayley
2. Mikey
3. Sharron
4. Gary
5. Hilary
6. Emily
7. Daniella
8. Kieron
9. Heather
10. Tana - Eliminated
11. Danny

Week 5
1. Hayley
2. Mikey
3. Gary
4. Hilary
5. Sharron
6. Daniella
7. Emily
8. Kieron
9. Danny
10. Heather - Eliminated

Week 6
1. Hayley
2. Mikey
3. Gary
4. Kieron
5. Emily
6. Sharron
7. Hilary - Eliminated
8. Daniella
9. Danny

Week 7
1. Hayley
2. Gary
3. Mikey
4. Kieron
5. Daniella
6. Danny
7. Emily
8. Sharron - Eliminated

Week 8
1. Mikey
2. Hayley
3. Gary
4. Kieron
5. Danny
6. Emily - Eliminated
7. Daniella

Week 9
1. Hayley
2. Mikey - Eliminated
3. Gary
4. Kieron
5. Danny
6. Daniella

Week 10
1. Hayley
2. Gary
3. Kieron
4. Daniella
5. Danny- Eliminated

Week 11
1. Hayley
2. Kieron
3. Gary
4. Daniella - Eliminated

Final - Part 1
1. Hayley
2. Gary
3. Kieron - THIRD

Final - Part 2
1. Hayley - WINNER
2. Gary - SECOND

Interestingly, the only times the person eliminated weren't in the bottom two of the public vote were Bobby in Week 2, Hillary in Week 6, and, most dramatically, Mikey in Week 9.

And weirdly, in week 5, Kieron ended up in the skate-off, despite being in the bottom two of neither the public vote, nor the judges scores (largely because of the three-way tie below him).

That's what I find interesting, that the self-selected population doesn't match the voting population. I erroneously thought they would be much closer. It makes you question the publication of some general stats as they seem to mainly consist of a self-selected population.

Yes, he was low towards the end, when his friend died and injury set in.

Let's rewind for a second. My original response was to Eejit, who, if you read their post, reacted to Mikey as if he would be some sort of Coleen doing a Bolero and I said Mikey is not that much worse than Kieron, which I still believe. Geez.

Blimey, that's got to be the most one-sided final in a show of this type.

One thing that surprised me looking over the figures was that Danniella's percentage wasn't higher from week to week.

Also apparent was how unrepresentative DS was this year.

I think the "it's an entertainment show" and "personality" memes took hold very strongly among SCD viewers and in the SCD forum after John Sergeant (consider all the gushing over Natalie Cassidy, for example, and nauseating "Cola"'s win), but those memes suffered big losses in this (DOI) forum because of what happened with Coleen Nolan.

Nonetheless, Hayley is approx = to Natalie Cassidy + dance talent, experience, ability + better-looking without being too good looking or having the wrong sort of looks -- and so Hayley's win (it wasn't even close) does fit the SCD pattern.

Well, I certainly don't think that Mikey was even close to Coleen. His Cecilia performance is still one of my favourite ones. Maybe I should have worded it better. BTW Mikey was my favourite when the show started, I really like him, so how about that as a peace offering.

There was one person so sure Hayley wouldn`t win because she didn`t have the likeability factor

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...ghlight=hayley

Quotes :-

"The reason Hayley hasn't been in the skate is not down to likeability, I can assure you.

I'd explain why to you but am certain it would just go in one ear and out the other. "

"I know Hayley won't win. Not as outstanding as Ray and not likeable enough. "

Thank you Eejit

Interesting Hayley, Mikey and Gary received the most public votes a lot of the time.


Also shocked at Daniella`s voting figures tbh

LOL @ Bobby topping Gary, Danny and Kieron in the vote. Seriously?

The only people to top Hayley in a vote were Mikey (twice) and Gary (once).

I'm not surprised Mikey topped Hayley the week he did "Just Say Yes." That was great. Gary topped them both that week, probably backlash from him being in the bottom two.

Fair enough. One person.

Bit dissappointed by Danniella's low public votes.

Gary last Week 1 then the daughter appears and he's 1st. And people say the daughter doesn't give him votes. LOL

I thought Emily would of been a bit higher as well.


Jeremy's week 1 public votes surprised me a bit too.

That was me. I still don't like her or believe she's real but I was wrong about her not winning.

I really didn't think she would win then but wasn't Mikey still in the comp when I said that? I was sure he would win.

I could go around pulling up posts about Gary polling low in the votes and it was only the judges keeping him in but I won't. None of us knew how the vote was going and that's how speculation goes.

That's a terrible slur on Coleen!



Was Kieron lucky to get third? Not really. He was never even once in the bottom two of the public vote, until the final. So in terms of public support at least, he placed exactly where he should have.

I think the Mikey / Kieron argument is a bit of a side-track. The big surprise of these stats really is just how lacking in popularity Daniella was. I mean, I knew she was no Hayley or Mikey, but the fact that she was in the bottom two of the public vote 5 times before she was eliminated really surprised me.

Yes (newspaper phone polls being a prime example of self-selected votes), but (as you presumably know) sometimes results from an unrepresentative sample are weighted to make them more representative. Something like that happens with the BARB panel used for viewing stats. It's not quite self-selected, since BARB has a role in it too, but BARB finds out various demographic etc things about the panel and does a much larger survey to see how those same things are among the wider population, so that the nunbers from the panel can be weighted accordingly.

My guess is that DS polls tend to be more accurate when the show attracts younger viewers, not because DS has the same age profile but because DS members are more like younger viewers in their tendency to vote and to vote more than once.

Suzanne was/is very good looking, It didn't seem to hold her back.

Emily was/is also very attractive. It didn't stop her progressing, she was even getting through on weeks where she was bottom of the table.

I think this idea (it's a fixation with some people) that good looking girls don't get public support is nonsense.

Must admit I was surprised how well Gary did in the public vote BUT only because he was in the skate off a couple of times.

Yes that is a good point. I assume shows such as DOI and SCD attract a population with a wider age distribution than maybe Big Brother (?). Weighting is often used, but only if the investigator or sponsor is really interested in the result and doesn't try to massage the figures for their own benefit (if you give the same data to five different statisticians, you get five different answers).

I would still like to see the overall voting numbers.

Danny wasn't very popular was he

I'm a bit frustrated with Mikey. If only he'd kept his form (easier said than done, I know), he was the one who'd have given Hayley a run for her money by the looks of it.

And I'd have backed him too because I warmed to him more and because he didn't have the advantage of knowing his pro partner beforehand.

He showed so much promise at the start, but faded badly. Dunno what happened

Is it surprising Daniella's votes are so low?

What would tend to make them high?

Then cross off everything that would work better for Hayley.

It seems to me that Daniella would be in Hayley's voting "shadow". That is, votes that might have gone to Daniella will be swept up by Hayley instead.

No

I thought the audience would really get behind him given how much he improved.

I'm wondering whether Frankie was a bit too gobby this series and that held them back?

I think she did put some people off the partnership unfortunately.