Unfair ? Would you have said the same if Daniella had fallen AFTER her routine finished ?

It wouldn't surprise me if his contract has already been renewed and this is just another attention-seeking charade. Hopefully his position is in jeopardy but I'm not so sure.

Seems the entire studio audience is made up of chavs and viewing audience is 80% prudes.

The Chavs ruin the show with their rudeness of shouting screaming and booing all over the top of people trying to talk, and then the prudes complain if Jason is not brown nosing everyone.

I really can't believe in this day and age that anyone actually finds a few put downs as rude and insulting. Some people really need to stop watching TV or stick to Songs of praise as that is about all their over-sensitive little souls can cope with.

What do you people want? A silly show where everyone just sits there saying "That was wonderful, you may like to work of the lifts a bit but it was still wonderful!" - Sort of sick producing sugary sweet light-weight grannie TV?

Mary Whitehouse LIVES! (it would seem!)

The thing is that ary was slipping going into his final move. If he had fallen after the performance has finshed, fair enough, but the slip was occuring while he was trying to complete his final move. I wonder whether Nicky thought that too, hence emphasising it was Robin's decision to discount it.

Regarding Jason - sooner he goes the better. There's a fine line between being the panto villian and being vindictive and spiteful. Craig on Strictly Come Dancing can generally tread this line. Jason cannot.

You are 100% wrong. Yes, this is what everyone is saying. They just can't take it.

Jason is a boring old jealous has-been. His stupid personal comments are boring and pointless.

Dull, dull, dull. :yawn::yawn::yawn: That's Jason.

You can't have 3 people who are coaching them and designing dire routines marking them and the dire routines. Its like course work assessment in schools where teachers give everyone gold stars so everyone is happy and they seem to have done their job properly. Its actually worse because the people who designed what didn't work will never blame themselves. Karen is far to involved to judge and her marking is bland and fails to make distinctions - worse she is more involved with some more than others which looks odd even if she isn't biased by it. .

The siolid marking this series has come from Emma and Robin - both of whom called who was good, who was bad and who needed to go accurately which is nothing to do with having favourites but to do with being able to spot ability.. Jason was just rude even when right. Nicky was random.

I'd love to see the back of Jason and have him replaced by someone that sees judging as an exercise in helping people rather than hurting them (though with a pithy edge and plenty of relevant experience). Bringing back Michael Ball would be lovely.

For me the most bizarre marking came from Nicky, who was often a good point out from the decisions of others for reasons that were sometimes very subjective indeed. (Did you notice how Robin mentioned that three people had marked Gary's final routine correctly when they gave it 5, Jason a 4.5 and Nicky a 5.5?)

I don't get why people think that not being as rude as Jason automatically means you're going to be boring. Being interesting, pithy and polite are not mutually exclusive.

I think people sometimes think Nicky is marking on an absolute scale when he is actually marking relatively.

When judges are marking relatively, 5.5s from different judges can go with different levels of achievement without those judges actually disagreeing.


Indeed, SCD has several colourful judges without any (not even Craig) being as nasty as Jason.

Sure. But why would Robin then obliquely call the mark given to Gary into question?

I think there's always a tendency to read marks as being on an absolute scale. I suppose it's possible that Robin looked at the differences among Nicky's marks when deciding whether it was right or not, but I doubt he actually did.

I'm not sure Robin did mean to include Nicky in that, though. It seemed clear he was criticising Jason, but beyond that I'm not sure.

I don't think anyone has looked closely enough at Nicky's marking to be able to tell whether it's random or, instead, at least mostly reasonable.

I think he is a disgrace with his comments. And to make things worse he has no humour!!

Constructive criticism is one thing but his personal snipes just take it too far imho. We have Emma now to judge performance, at which she is very fair imho - we don't need him as well. If they want someone with a pro dance background there are surely loads out there who would be happy to take his place and do a better job.

Ooohhh I do like Matt a lot

I find Nicky's marking a bit random - but his comments usually fair.

I have no particular problem with the marks so long as the judges are consistent with themselves within each show - its irrelevant whether they give 3.5 or 4.5 so long as they do it consistently its not usually a problem (in Stirctly for example Craig tends to mark lower than the rest - but he marks low for everyone). Nicky's random marking imho messes up the scores which isn't helpful.

Jason is just nasty for the sake of being nasty. He scores low so that holly will go to him for his comments every time - and it usually works.

Just because you weren't in agreement with his marking doesn't mean he's guilty of favouritism and ..... the fall was not during the skate off.

I think Robin sometimes can get it wrong as well, and being 0.5 off IMO is not a problem. Nicky can be erratic, but I agree with Veri that he at least is trying to mark relatively speaking (e.g. his remark to Karen when she questioned his 4 to Daniella a week ago, with "I gave Hayley a 5" meaning I can't give Daniella a 5.0 as well, because in his opinion she wasn't as good). I'm not saying he is always right.

By the way, I agree with the someone on here, who said that polite and boring are not the same thing. Michael Ball was nice and constructive, and by no means was he boring. Jason is impolite and thus predictable, and thus boring. Craig Rebel Horwood in SCD has got a much better balance of constructive criticism, sometimes harsh remarks, sometimes encouraging remarks and charm. He is also gay (for people who think that this has something to do with Jason's sexuality).

I've always like Matt - just one more reason.

Nicky always marks consistently - in that he marks on skating skill alone and puts performers in order and therefore marks accordingly.

I think the week he really came unstuck with that approach is when he gave the first skater a fairly low mark (was it Hayley and perhaps a 4.0) ... and then after that no-one really came close to her ... so all marks after that seemed low and somewhat ridiculous.

Yes, although there are superficial similarities between JG and CRH, CRH has a degree of wit and warmth, which tempers his harsher comments and which JG lacks. He also tends to stay the right side of the line which JG frequently crosses.

I thought I was the only one who liked Emma!

He actually gives a lot of consyructive criticism, but very little is heard over the booing. Non - ice skating judges are needed so that it doesn't just turn into a competition of technique, and what is also needed is judges with personality. Robin, Nicky and Karen are interchangable - their comments are almost always dull and only two of them are neccessary.

I'm not bothered whether Jason stays or goes, but we need someone with an edge. The worst suggestion so far is that T&V go on the judging panel - talk about snooze inducing!

Well you said it in two sentences (I need to try to be more concise). CRH rocks.

Robin, Karen and Nicky are more than sufficiently qualified to judge performance - after all in their competitive days they were marked on artistic impression as well as technique.

It is because they are dull that we only need 2 of them, not because they are not qualified. I would be happy with 5 ex-pros if we could find 5 with any personality, but sadly the successful skaters we have produced are lacking in this department. We make up the numbers with non-skaters in an attempt to relieve the boredom.