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Old 01-04-2010, 17:29
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ok Digiguide update, lots of times different to the BBC Press Office, Casualty is full length, but 17:30 to 20:30 is all TBA.

HIGNFY is 9pm according to Digiguide.

I guess things will all change
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Old 01-04-2010, 17:40
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Good figures for the football, but not great and maybe the peak could have been a little higher. Still 6 million + over three hours for ITV cannot be bad.
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Old 01-04-2010, 17:53
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Midsomer does around 8 episodes a year though, so even though they air as one offs rather than series generally, with perhaps a short 'series' in the Summer, it does take up around 16 hours of the schedule, more than Doctor Who and Ashes to Ashes. Foyle and Lewis are also two hours per episode remember, so even though they are only 3 and 4 episodes each, they run for 6 and 8 hours each, which is a fairly normal length. They also have 3 episodes (6 hours) of Poirot, and 5 episodes (10 hours) of Marple due to air this year, most of which will run in the Summer. Law & Order UK does 13 episodes per year (and will be shown like that from now on apparently). Champions League takes up 2.5 hours per match too, so these things do actually take up a decent amount of the schedule.
My original point was about shows in April and BBC having a lot of returning shows compared to very few on ITV.

The thing is you have practically described all of ITV's non soap and reality hits. Scattered across the year all those programmes are very sparse in the schedule, nearly all are Wednesday and Sunday shows with the exception of Law and Order.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:01
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My original point was about shows in April and BBC having a lot of returning shows compared to very few on ITV.

The thing is you have practically described all of ITV's non soap and reality hits. Scattered across the year all those programmes are very sparse in the schedule, nearly all are Wednesday and Sunday shows with the exception of Law and Order.
There are a lot more hit shows I could describe, and Midsomer, Foyle and Lewis are airing in April/May.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:28
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My original point was about shows in April and BBC having a lot of returning shows compared to very few on ITV.
Do we know when the financial year is for the BBC? So much returning in April rather than January suggests they might run Apr-Mar and were holding things back for the next financial year.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:29
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Good figures for the football, but not great and maybe the peak could have been a little higher. Still 6 million + over three hours for ITV cannot be bad.
Arsenal don't have as big a support as Man U. If ITV1 was showing Man U instead, then ratings would be around 8 million.
Football is one of the few times large numbers of male and ABC1
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:29
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There's actually not that much of a difference in the number of hours of returnable hit drama series that BBC1 and ITV1 have this year:

BBC1:
Waterloo Road: 20 hours [last series overnight average: 4.5m]
Doctor Who: 11 (10x45m + 2x60) [7.5m for full 2008 series]
Merlin: 10 (13x45m) [5.2m]
Lark Rise to Candleford: 12 [6.1m]
Silent Witness: 10 [6.2m]
New Tricks: 8 [7.2m]
Ashes to Ashes: 8 [5.8m]
Spooks: 8 [4.8m]
Hustle: 6 [5.5m]
Mistresses: 5 [4.2m]
Five Days: 5 [6.6m]
Wallander: 4.5 (3x90) [4.9m]
Inspector George Gently: 3.5 (2x90) [5.4m]
Jonathan Creek: 1.5 [9.0m]

= 112.5 hours

ITV1:
Midsomer Murders: 16 [6.0m]
Law & Order UK: 13 [5.5m]
Wild at Heart: 10 [7.0m]
Marple: 10 [4.6m]
Heartbeat: 9 [4.8m]
The Royal: 9 [4.4m]
Lewis: 8 [6.3m]
Poirot: 8 [4.7m]
Foyle's War: 6 [7.0m]
A Touch of Frost: 4 [7.6m]
Above Suspicion: 3 [6.7m]
Whitechapel: 3 [7.6m]
Taggart: 3 [4.6m]

= 102 hours

BBC1 has about 10 more hours of their returnable hit dramas this year, which is not that much more than ITV1. BBC1 has more 1 hour dramas while ITV1 has more 2 hour dramas.

In terms of weighted averages, both those sets of BBC1 and ITV1 dramas average 5.7m per hour according to overnight figures. So in terms of success of returnable hit drama, I'd say they're pretty similar. But both channels need to find new hits as they're dropping some of those dramas in 2011 (Ashes, Mistresses, Heartbeat, Royal, Touch of Frost, possibly Spooks).
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:29
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Poles apart! But about what I would expect to see from both.

Can you receive Freeview HD services now straight away or do you have to wait a bit longer for that?
I think the HD channels are available from my local transmitter, but I don't have an HD box.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:30
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ABC1 viewers tune into ITV1 and must make a healthy profit for them. If Man U get to the final, then expect 15 million viewers and most of them more affluent and male than the typical ITV 1 viewer.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:41
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If Man U get to the final, then expect 15 million viewers.
I doubt it, more like half of that. Last year's final coverage averaged 7.8m and that was Barca vs. Man Utd. An All English final (which is looking unlikely) could get over 9m though.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:44
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Wonder if it will be another poor night tonight as again nothing much on at all.
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Old 01-04-2010, 18:57
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Thursday 6th May into Friday 7th May
BBC One
19:00 - The One Show
19:30 - EastEnders
20:00 - BBC News Special
21:00 - Have I Got News For You
21:30 - ??? (Vicar of Dibley repeat possibly)
22:00 to 13:45 on Friday - Election 2010
13:45 - Doctors
14:15 - Murder, She Wrote
15:05 - CBBC
17:15 - BBC News Special
20:00 - EastEnders
20:30 - as normal
I predict:

7pm The One Show
7.30 EastEnders
8.00 Watchdog
9.00 HIGNFY
9.30 Outnumbered
10.00 Election, beginning with News
6am Breakfast
9.00 Election
1.00 News
1.30 Regional News
1.45 Election
2.35 Doctors
3.05 CBeebies, CBBC
5.15 Weakest Link
6.00 News
7.00 Regional News
7.30 The One Show
8.00 EastEnders

But I think everything between 2.35pm and 5.15pm will end up dropped or moved to BBC Two, because we won't get an outright result.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:08
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I predict:
But I think everything between 2.35pm and 5.15pm will end up dropped or moved to BBC Two, because we won't get an outright result.
We will get a result, but the shows will get moved to show Cameron driving to the Palace (or maybe he will take his bike with Boris leading the way)
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:11
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Originally Posted by GeorgeS
We will get a result, but the shows will get moved to show Cameron driving to the Palace (or maybe he will take his bike with Boris leading the way)


P.S. I knew you'd be first to reply.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:13
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seems to me that the BBC (or any TV channel) should be able to do a better job than that.
Well, the stuff in Programme Information isn't meant for public consumption, it's there for there for magazines to get a broad idea of the schedules so they know what to put on the cover and the pictures for each day. There's no point making sure you get the proper times in because nobody's going to program their videos based on them.

I remember this thread getting very excited when Monday's 'stEnders was down at 7.30 one week last year and evryone wondered if it was clashing or Corrie was moving, and it was just a typo. See also the long threads both here and on Gallifrey Base about next week's Doctor Who being at 5.45, based on Over The Rainbow's slot of 6.30 being cut and pasted from last week.

NB It's not.

A YouTube video of the opening of the 2005 election coverage showed that the BBC started at 9.55pm. They announce the exit poll results (which were almost entirely accurate last time) right on 10pm so need to be on air. They might just squeeze 5 minutes by cutting out trails earlier in the evening - or they could chose to just run a half hour from 9pm and have more build-up.
Yes, in both 2001 and 2005 the coverage has started at 9.55 and the news itself was incorporated within the election coverage at around 10.15. In 2001, they actually had a 55 minute programme at 9pm (a documentary about Donald 'Bluebird' Campbell) and in 2005 they had the normal schedule but it all budged up a bit.

Before that, in 1992 and 1997, the Nine O'Clock News would be cut to 25 minutes, then there'd be a comedy show at 9.25 - Porridge in 1992, Blackader in 1997 - and the election coverage at 9.55. In 1987, they did a fifteen minute Nine O'Clock News then The Two Ronnies at 9.15.

ITV normally began at 9.55 too but last year they started on the dot of ten o'clock.

As for the day after... the last two elections has seen the Beeb finish their coverage at 1pm, but this has been very early by the traditional standards as before that it would always go on until CBBC began (although in 1997 it was billed to run to 4.30 and it finished at about 3.45 as everything that was going to happen had happened, and CBBC came on early). The Guardian a few months back said that this year's coverage would be the longest ever as many councils have decided to count in the morning rather than overnight, but that's their short memories, it would probably go on to about 4pm regardless.

Last year ITV appallingly gave up at 10.30am, which was ridiculous. In 2001 they carried on throughout the day but stopped for This Morning and some other stuff, their final coverage was an hour between 2.30 and 3.30. Before that they'd run all day until CITV came on. In 1992, TVam did their own coverage but Channel Four, which was then showing The Channel Four Daily produced by ITN, were "officially" continuing ITV's coverage from 6am to 9.25 from the ITV studio with the ITV presenters. In 1983 there was an ITN/TVam co-production.

Obviously this year there's likely to be a hung parliament so for that we have to look back at February 1974. Then, the Beeb's coverage was, as usual, supposed to finish at 4pm but the kids shows were moved to BBC2 so they could carry on until the news at 5.45. Then they were already scheduled to be on again from six to seven, replacing Nationwide, then they came back again at 9.30, again for a show that was always scheduled.

No matter what the outcome is, don't expect ITV to give it any more than the bare minimum of coverage. The Beeb won't keep on broadcasting for ever, 1974 was a bit of a freak because there was absolutely no precedent and the country was in an awful state, David Butler said on the programme there was only two weeks of coal left. It said yesterday that the civil servants have set aside three weeks to sort it out if there a hung parliament, so don't expect continuous broadcasting. The election show will probably run until mid-afternoon then the usual news programmes will take it up.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:23
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I doubt it, more like half of that. Last year's final coverage averaged 7.8m and that was Barca vs. Man Utd. An All English final (which is looking unlikely) could get over 9m though.
Wonder though whether the move to Saturday from Wednesday will boost or hit ratings.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:40
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We will get a result, but the shows will get moved to show Cameron driving to the Palace (or maybe he will take his bike with Boris leading the way)
Oh dear. Someone's not been keeping an eye on the opinion polls lately. Looking more & more like a hung parliament. Dave is failing to convince the public and time is fast running out!
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:53
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We will get a result, but the shows will get moved to show Cameron driving to the Palace (or maybe he will take his bike with Boris leading the way)
Love it!
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:56
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There are more Tories on this thread than I thought.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:57
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BBC1 has about 10 more hours of their returnable hit dramas this year, which is not that much more than ITV1. BBC1 has more 1 hour dramas while ITV1 has more 2 hour dramas.
That explains it, then. Adding up the dramas on your list, the BBC's make up a total of 114 shows (the 45 minute dramas balance out the feature length dramas) - while the number of 2 hour dramas on ITV means there is only a total of 76 shows. The hours are roughly similar, but the BBC's hours are scattered more widely.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:59
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There are more Tories on this thread than I thought.
Yes, it's rather interesting that isn't it? It's a good job this thread isn't at all representative of the UK as a whole.
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Old 01-04-2010, 19:59
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Yes, it's rather interesting that isn't it? It's a good job this thread isn't at all representative of the UK as a whole.
Absolutely.
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Old 01-04-2010, 20:01
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Yes, it's rather interesting that isn't it? It's a good job this thread isn't at all representative of the UK as a whole.
Considering there also seem to be a fair few left-wingers on the thread I agree!
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Old 01-04-2010, 20:01
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Yes, it's rather interesting that isn't it? It's a good job this thread isn't at all representative of the UK as a whole.
That I agree on.

(wishes that the election was two months later, then I'd be able to vote... )
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Old 01-04-2010, 20:13
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That I agree on.

(wishes that the election was two months later, then I'd be able to vote... )
There might be another one along towards the end of the year.

Meanwhile, looks like tonight's hour long Eastenders was a late scheduling decision. The big drama occurs half way through the episode so it must be two half-hour episodes joined together. I wonder if the original plan was to put a second episode on at 9pm after Masterchef as a lead-in for HIGNFY.

Or maybe they just saw how low Emmerdale fell against the birthday week wedding episodes and thought "a chance for revenge <evil laugh>".

Or maybe they were planning to put an episode on Easter Day as a lead-in to Jonathan Creek but Corrie got in first.
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